/tg/Station 13

BrianBackslide

An assistant cap sure sounds like a good way to prevent new players from having an opportunity to ease themselves into the game.

BrianBackslide

Even Meta and Icebox have similar issues with prime cult base spots near the arrivals dock. Arguably that's banbaity map design. Nobody is going to go after you if you are specifically on the arrivals shuttle, isn't it on you if you carelessly wade into danger? Especially as a secoff, they can radio ...

BrianBackslide

As a botanist main I'm absolutely within my right to grow warcrime plants, and security is absolutely in their right to confiscate them. I don't have the right to kill security for this unless I'm an antag.

As to the secoff's argument, they act like botanical research can't be a thing, and I've ...

BrianBackslide

Maybe a sprint/walk/sneak? It does feel silly that you're running everywhere while walking is incredibly slow and feels like you were sneaking IRL. There should be space for that without having to get on your belly and crawl around a chasm, funny and semi-realistic as that would be.

BrianBackslide

I guess we have to define what makes them so much of a problem in the first place. Is it lowpop? Is it having slightly more access? Is it the free "I win stick"? Being able to speak with large text? Personally I don't think they are a problem.

Again I reiterate: Why do we need to have mechanically ...

BrianBackslide

As if we need another baton waving asshole on the side of "never antag." Paranoia is good, and never being sure if your QM is gonna stab you or save you is healthy for the game.

Why do you need an inbuilt mechanically enforced reason to trust a head of staff? Their RP should speak for itself.

BrianBackslide

If we're following IC logic, then why am I, as a medical doctor, making medical patches for the crew that they shouldn't need because it's "supposed to be another day at work until it isn't." I don't like the idea that such actions up to and including light gearing up would be OOC. Particularly when ...

BrianBackslide

Fiddling with the AI's laws should always feel like a monkey's paw situation. If you don't want your laws lawyered, then don't change the laws or take the gamble that you have an AI player that will interpret them the way you want. A single comma can completely change the meaning of a sentence and ...

BrianBackslide

As much as I would like to yeet both Meta and Delta into the sun for being lame and boring, the fact is that those maps are actually functional at lowpop. Play icebox or birdshot without an engineer and watch the power quickly run out because the map design strongly inhibits use of alternative power ...

BrianBackslide

For your defib example, a rework in the works would be:
Emps now toggle safeties.
Emags do not, and have a seperate use:
They now rig the cell inside them with plasma, causing you to explode if you use them. Or if plasma cells do work, using an emagged defib will shock YOU with a heart attack ...

BrianBackslide

Counterpoint, emagging your own defib is a very powerful use of the emag. This is more of a case of the benefits to the traitor also extend to the crew, since disallowing crew from using the emag would result in it becoming an antag test.

BrianBackslide

The side effects are virtually impossible to balance as they are currently.

In the case of Libital, Liver damage only truly matters when the liver is dead, and in many cases is actually beneficial for it to die as it prevents further damage from ingested/injected toxins. However on the flipside ...

BrianBackslide

"Cult is gonna win" versus "Cult is gonna succeed" feels kinda pedantic. Asking players for higher standards of dialogue is well and good, but shouldn't miss the understanding that this is a realtime game and that not all players are going to either be as verbose or even have the knowledge level of ...

BrianBackslide

Recording for posterity that the reports so far are that quite a lot of people are just purchasing the contractor kit instead, something we will be able to pull data on after the test period has concluded.

How does the purchase rate of contractor kits now during the testmerge compare against ...

BrianBackslide

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:23 pm honestly if there was a way to give clown access to perma without it just being used to let people out of perma I would love to do that

Could be accomplished with something similar to the janitor's keyring. HoS has to activate it and can robust their ass if they try anything sketch.

BrianBackslide

Does the armory distinction even matter when sec can get their hands on most of the armory's lethal and nonlethal compliment without setting foot therein through free departmental orders?

BrianBackslide

Changelings were and are fully 100% 'you may execute this antagonist immediately upon capture the moment you can confirm they are this antagonist' and unrestricting them just turned the entire experience of playing with them in the game into a race to the bottom.

Existence as a heretic is ...

BrianBackslide

Most of my experiences have either been working with my headrev (more babysitting them so they don't wander off and die) or the pure chaos of a mass conscription. I don't think I've ever really seen someone outright ignore a headrev's orders, but I've had a lot of experiences where we all just stand ...

BrianBackslide

Not all RP has to be reciting poetry to one another. Some things should be big and dangerous and threatening with actual consequences for ignoring it.

And sentient disease should stay simply so I can give them silly names like hysterical pregnancy.

BrianBackslide

Simply make the nuke detonate if it gets maxcapped.

BrianBackslide

In your pr body you mention that there's no point to be a chef as the station will be nuked or evacuated in 30 minutes.

As a chef main I profoundly disagree with the provided example. Chefs can easily access both lube slips through oil, and hot oil to fight nukies, PLUS banana cream pies. They have ...

BrianBackslide

Would probably be better elevated as an actual space dust mechanic. It'd give janitors reason to keep the place clean and can double as plausible deniability for sentient viruses and antag virologists.

BrianBackslide

Nonhumans shouldn't be heads because the drip would be too strong.

BrianBackslide

How do you prove the player is lying? Are you going to ban players because they forgot a key detail? Under the assumption of lying? What if you ban a player for lying when it turns out they were telling the truth?

What's the line that constitutes "unreasonable"? I get that some players need ...

BrianBackslide

Why not double blob's resource generation? Then the blob can actually do things. Not their spread, just resources. Or make attacking not cost resources.

BrianBackslide

I mean honestly... fuck it man, if RP rule 6 is that fucking bad, maybe it needs to reworded to promote that environment of sportsmanship, of storytelling, of making interesting rounds when it comes to crew interacting with antags, just like the RP rule 5 does for said antags. Make it into ...

BrianBackslide

Banning lings from saying fuck just brings us back to square 1 where they get round removed simply for existing. If you want to re-restrict them, you need to have a solution for this.

Lings need to be unrestricted to actually do their job effectively. It amps up the tension and gives a credible ...

BrianBackslide

Then it'd be even rarer and even less people would learn its already poorly communicated mechanics.

It'd be a good fit for slaughter demons showing up if blood isn't cleaned.

BrianBackslide

Blob isn't very skill based for the crew OR the blob and ends up being genuinely unfun.

Blobs have numerous hard counters that they don't have any ability to remotely answer.
Mechs are extremely, ridiculously durable and take practically no damage from Blob tiles or Blobbernauts. They can ...

BrianBackslide

Even then, paradox clones don't *always* go straight for the throat. There's been times where they even team up because pressing issues of the station force them to put aside their differences. Either way, security should not have any reason to do anything at all until one tries to kill the other.

BrianBackslide

I think the grav gen being out of the way and infinitely more sabotagable is beneficial to the RP and antag gameplay. At the very least it's more protected from meteors and external threats like nukies. As to the AI chamber, it's honestly one of the more well protected ones too, unless you happen to ...

BrianBackslide

Unironic Birdshot enthusiast post incoming:
I think Birdshot is a fantastic map that goes out of its way to create opportunities for players without constraining itself to a small cramped space like Kilo/Pubby, or forcing itself to adhere to an outdated layout struggling to keep pace with new ...

BrianBackslide

I think this is one of those policy and code gray zones where there's not going to be a great compromise without code solutions. Roundstart malfy gets time to prep/hack APCs and get set up in a way that midround malfy doesn't; leading to the antag feeling underpowered at times. On the other hand ...

BrianBackslide

Frankly, I don't think it's a problem. An argument could be made for future space ruins to have more niche items that can't directly help in a fight, but at the same time, some of those weapons come in handy to clear the more dangerous ruins as well. (Caravan ambush/paper wizard) Sure a player can ...

BrianBackslide

Maybe lings could fake being catatonic/SSD. That way they could hide in plain sight as a genetics monkeyman or a SSD player.

BrianBackslide

Really I was just pointing out the inconsistency. Would it make sense for a single subset of an antag to be unrestricted when the rest of it isn't? Absolutely not. But with the same logic that lings are unrestricted would have to apply if sec is going to auto-execute and admins are going to look the ...

BrianBackslide

my understanding of this long before i became an admin was that - similarly to the mrp rules around proportionate response - restricted antags have to demonstrate that they are uncontainable/dangerous and willing to use that.

so, if they've witnessed you before escaping using your powers, etc ...

BrianBackslide

According to the ahelp I just had, it is precedent that security is allowed to execute uncontainable antags regardless of their crimes. (Though I couldn't find any mention of such on our rules page) If a heretic that can't be contained without excessive action, much like a ling, will just be ...

BrianBackslide

What if BBs convert with high-fives? And when converted, your character says "You son of a bitch, I'm in!"

BrianBackslide

I view it like Botany. If you want any capacity to answer a threat, you need to be working on that mech half the shift ago. Mechs are a strong answer to things like blobs or xenos, and take considerable time, material, and research to build. Being stringent on roboticists doing their actual job ...

BrianBackslide

I don't think that it's too much of a stretch for "if your role includes a component critical to the station or round progress, you are expected to do the bare minimum".

This really only applies to Engineering. Yes, you really should ensure the supermatter is at least running on a basic setup (or ...

BrianBackslide

Not doing your job is an IC issue.
Not doing your job repeatedly is an administration issue. (Why didn't you just go assistant? Because you're probably powergaming, sweetie)
Not *wanting* to do your job is a code issue.

Outside of lowpop conditions, when do these issues matter enough that it causes ...

BrianBackslide

Mechs are a joke they get outplayed by literally every other piece of kit imaginable EXCEPT with the AC2. Good luck using your durand to hunt the Xeno nest when a single hunter just runs around behind you and instantly causes a critical failure.

If you're letting a hunter run behind you, then ...

BrianBackslide

and to be honest i feel like that's the crux of the issue when you try to enforce the mrp mindset around them. it feels like people are motivated by their considerations toward the endgame of progression antags, rather than acting purely on what their IC crimes are. this is through no fault of ...

BrianBackslide

Newer players and newer admins, from what I understood of the those who wrote and implemented the policy, are interpreting it incorrectly as it is right now. My opinion is because there's missing context from the original draft, which was available only in admin channels on 2019, the ...

BrianBackslide

Honestly, with an AI on their side to counter turret control, they had the upper hand to just card you and check.

This might be unrelated, but if anything, I kind of get sick of the number of times I see someone decide it's easier to just kill the AI and check their card than it is to just ...

BrianBackslide

What if I'm a botanist that got revved, I go back to grow warcrimes, and by the time my warcrimes are ready the revolution's over because revheads all got killed doing dumb stuff. Am I not contributing? Technically I did absolutely nothing to aid the revolution's cause.

BrianBackslide

I had a round where my character became obsessed and killed someone by dunking them into a fryer repeatedly. I ended up getting harassed ingame by someone else bringing it up EVERY. SINGLE. ROUND. The precedent could be reworded, but please don't gut it entirely.

BrianBackslide

Meta is honestly my least favorite map. It's a bloated half-corpse jam packed with every single feature and utterly devoid of identity. Its maints are lacking with few remaining effective places to hide for terrified crew or ne'er-do-wells as the entirety of the station is well-traveled by virtue of ...

BrianBackslide

"X bad" is a necessary gameplay convention given that you cannot type and move at the same time. Not everybody can type at the same speed, and a dude with an esword will crit you in roughly 2-3 seconds.

We have glorfing when you get hit, so how do you expect a player to type out anything at all ...

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