ban using the word 'bad' on MRP

[EmpressMaia]

you should put some effort into constructing a coherent sentence on MRP

[CMDR_Gungnir]

"I had a bad day" "Get banned, loser."

Jokes aside, while I agree that MRP should put some effort into it, I think a blanket ban on it isn't the right idea. If you're talking to some dude and all of a sudden he whips out a circular saw and starts killing you, all that you know is that he's Bad.

You don't know if he's a traitor. Or a Heretic. Or a Changeling. Or a Rev. Or a Cultist.

And while IC it would make a lot more sense to yell something like "JOHN SMITH IS AN UNKNOWN HOSTILE" there's a certain level of leniency you have to give due to the fact that it's a game.

In real life, I could start backing up while yelling "JOHN SMITH IS HOSTILE" or what have you. But in the game, I have to type. And if I have to type, I'm not moving.

So there needs to be a way to relay that information quickly and clearly, so that you don't get killed. Or crit before you finish speaking. Thus why people would say "JOHN BAD"

Now if the HoS is just sitting in his office, and an officer asks "Hey why's John Smith set to Wanted?" and the HoS answers "John Bad." then yeah absolutely smite him with the wrath of zeus.

[Turbonerd]

I always find it annoying when people are this lazy. I think it should at the very least be discouraged on LRP too. Let admins smite lazy antag callouts or something.

[EmpressMaia]

"I had a bad day" "Get banned, loser."

Jokes aside, while I agree that MRP should put some effort into it, I think a blanket ban on it isn't the right idea. If you're talking to some dude and all of a sudden he whips out a circular saw and starts killing you, all that you know is that he's Bad.

You don't know if he's a traitor. Or a Heretic. Or a Changeling. Or a Rev. Or a Cultist.

And while IC it would make a lot more sense to yell something like "JOHN SMITH IS AN UNKNOWN HOSTILE" there's a certain level of leniency you have to give due to the fact that it's a game.

In real life, I could start backing up while yelling "JOHN SMITH IS HOSTILE" or what have you. But in the game, I have to type. And if I have to type, I'm not moving.

So there needs to be a way to relay that information quickly and clearly, so that you don't get killed. Or crit before you finish speaking. Thus why people would say "JOHN BAD"

Now if the HoS is just sitting in his office, and an officer asks "Hey why's John Smith set to Wanted?" and the HoS answers "John Bad." then yeah absolutely smite him with the wrath of zeus.

you dont have to callout every antag or threat that you see or opposes you. more fun when antags are given some leeway

[CMDR_Gungnir]

"I had a bad day" "Get banned, loser."

Jokes aside, while I agree that MRP should put some effort into it, I think a blanket ban on it isn't the right idea. If you're talking to some dude and all of a sudden he whips out a circular saw and starts killing you, all that you know is that he's Bad.

You don't know if he's a traitor. Or a Heretic. Or a Changeling. Or a Rev. Or a Cultist.

And while IC it would make a lot more sense to yell something like "JOHN SMITH IS AN UNKNOWN HOSTILE" there's a certain level of leniency you have to give due to the fact that it's a game.

In real life, I could start backing up while yelling "JOHN SMITH IS HOSTILE" or what have you. But in the game, I have to type. And if I have to type, I'm not moving.

So there needs to be a way to relay that information quickly and clearly, so that you don't get killed. Or crit before you finish speaking. Thus why people would say "JOHN BAD"

Now if the HoS is just sitting in his office, and an officer asks "Hey why's John Smith set to Wanted?" and the HoS answers "John Bad." then yeah absolutely smite him with the wrath of zeus.

you dont have to callout every antag or threat that you see or opposes you. more fun when antags are given some leeway

You don't have to call out every antag or threat that you see, sure, but it's not going to be fun if I'm dead in some locker, either. Generally the antag that tries to kill you on-sight the moment you try to speak to them isn't one who has a fun gimmick in mind, it's one who wants to unga unga their objectives to Win, and that's just going to ruin the fun for everyone else if all of Sec are slowly picked off one by one.

It's an important balance. Sec shouldn't be trying to stomp antags out of the round before they can do anything, and antags shouldn't be trying to do the same, either.

[Pandarsenic]

Chronically calling out ";Xemo bad!" or "Xemo evil!" is absolutely NRP shit and, at admin discretion, I think more than fair for a 15-minute OOC in IC ban.

People typed better callouts all the time even in the golden days of GLORFcode (losing your message entirely to being attacked in the middle of typing) so if you can't do ";HELP / ;XEMO" or ";HELP LIBRARY!" instead, that is clearly a skill issue.

[Capsandi]

LARRY KILLING ME VIROLO -GLORF! will always be funnier to see on the radio feed than LARRY BAD
I think admin bus on "HE BAD!" is a good idea

[Jacquerel]

Chronically calling out ";Xemo bad!" or "Xemo evil!" is absolutely NRP shit and, at admin discretion, I think more than fair for a 15-minute OOC in IC ban.

People typed better callouts all the time even in the golden days of GLORFcode (losing your message entirely to being attacked in the middle of typing) so if you can't do ";HELP / ;XEMO" or ";HELP LIBRARY!" instead, that is clearly a skill issue.

I believe glorfing has returned. For extra fun, do it to someone who is smoking.

[Vekter]

I'm going to assume that the idea behind this isn't to actually ban the word "bad", but to do something about the rash of people who type the shortest possible thing so they can get across the idea that someone's an antag without being interrupted.

I'm okay with this. If they really want to be concise they can just yell "HELP!" and "MAINTS!", yelling out something like "ALASTOR BAD" is lame and boring and not conducive to good RP.

Also yes, glorfing is in the game currently, I believe it just eats part of your message near wherever you got hit.

[EmpressMaia]

I'm going to assume that the idea behind this isn't to actually ban the word "bad", but to do something about the rash of people who type the shortest possible thing so they can get across the idea that someone's an antag without being interrupted.

I'm okay with this. If they really want to be concise they can just yell "HELP!" and "MAINTS!", yelling out something like "ALASTOR BAD" is lame and boring and not conducive to good RP.

Also yes, glorfing is in the game currently, I believe it just eats part of your message near wherever you got hit.

theres also a few different glorf likes they are funny

[Cobby]

How is calling someone’s name with no context ok and supposedly understandable as they’re being an antag, but adding the word “bad” to that makes it NRP?

Is the actual issue calling someone out as an antag when you don’t know what antag they are or…? Like I’m genuinely confused how “John is bad” or even “John bad!” Is less immersive than “John!!” Or “Kitchen Maint!” Like I’m playing text R6S

[Turbonerd]

How is calling someone’s name with no context ok and supposedly understandable as they’re being an antag, but adding the word “bad” to that makes it NRP?

Is the actual issue calling someone out as an antag when you don’t know what antag they are or…? Like I’m genuinely confused how “John is bad” or even “John bad!” Is less immersive than “John!!” Or “Kitchen Maint!” Like I’m playing text R6S

Just calling someone's name sounds like you're wanting to ask them something or calling out for them. If some retard validhunts over that, then they effectively created their own 10 codes metacomms language, so that's probably already bannable.

Saying the location alone is kinda cringe. Should probably have an attempt at saying you need help first, even a simple "HELP!!" could work. Honestly not sure why people care so much about having to alert the horde before dying. I don't think OP ever said your examples were okay, they probably just went with the "bad" trend because it's extremely common now and very noticeable.

[Cobby]

It’s because you are forcing them to sit out of the game so they want to be able to be revived, which I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that in its own.

We have items to disrupt nearby comms, we have the capability to sabotage comms globally, and even speaking from an immersive pov you are unlikely to be forming proper/coherent sentences as you frantically call for help over the radio.

It is a big ask imo to ask people to be able to type proper while also trying to weave and dodge someone who can wordlessly kill them (even legally)

[Turbonerd]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

"Help" doesn't give the info of who is actually hurting you. In the time it takes sec to arrive (if they ever arrive because "help" doesnt say where you are) your killer can hack your head off and pocket it, walk a few maint doors up, and then go back to playing the shift in complete anonymity.

"John Bad" lets people know "oh someone is in trouble *and that john did it*, which is generally what you actually want?

[BrianBackslide]

"X bad" is a necessary gameplay convention given that you cannot type and move at the same time. Not everybody can type at the same speed, and a dude with an esword will crit you in roughly 2-3 seconds.

We have glorfing when you get hit, so how do you expect a player to type out anything at all when being attacked, let alone the novel you seem to expect?

Why is "Help chapel" okay, but "John bad" isn't? Would "John rogue" be better?

[MooCow12]

say baddie instead

"john is a baddie"

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

The immediate response to ";HELP!!" is usually 6 people on comms yelling "Help WHERE?" a yell of "CHAPEL" doesn't mean anything and could just be an answer to someone's question, while "JOHN BAD" usually has people immediately trying to figure out where you are, and also means that at least after John cuts your head off and throws it out into deep space, your round removal isn't in vain.

You're just assuming that "bad" is a bypass for "antag". It's a good, catch-all word that covers every single possibility, and makes it clear you don't know what they are. It's, in essence, "UNKNOWN HOSTILE" but condensed down to three letters because you can't speak and move at the same time.

[Turbonerd]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

The immediate response to ";HELP!!" is usually 6 people on comms yelling "Help WHERE?" a yell of "CHAPEL" doesn't mean anything and could just be an answer to someone's question, while "JOHN BAD" usually has people immediately trying to figure out where you are, and also means that at least after John cuts your head off and throws it out into deep space, your round removal isn't in vain.

You're just assuming that "bad" is a bypass for "antag". It's a good, catch-all word that covers every single possibility, and makes it clear you don't know what they are. It's, in essence, "UNKNOWN HOSTILE" but condensed down to three letters because you can't speak and move at the same time.

Just max your suit sensors, then people can track you. If you don't have time explain what's going on in detail, then maybe you should focus more on your survival rather than trying to specify someone's hostility.

[CPTANT]

Just max your suit sensors, then people can track you. If you don't have time explain what's going on in detail, then maybe you should focus more on your survival rather than trying to specify someone's hostility.

Suit sensors can take quite a while to track down, especially in maint.

[Turbonerd]

Just max your suit sensors, then people can track you. If you don't have time explain what's going on in detail, then maybe you should focus more on your survival rather than trying to specify someone's hostility.

Suit sensors can take quite a while to track down, especially in maint.

Paramedics have pinpointers.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

The immediate response to ";HELP!!" is usually 6 people on comms yelling "Help WHERE?" a yell of "CHAPEL" doesn't mean anything and could just be an answer to someone's question, while "JOHN BAD" usually has people immediately trying to figure out where you are, and also means that at least after John cuts your head off and throws it out into deep space, your round removal isn't in vain.

You're just assuming that "bad" is a bypass for "antag". It's a good, catch-all word that covers every single possibility, and makes it clear you don't know what they are. It's, in essence, "UNKNOWN HOSTILE" but condensed down to three letters because you can't speak and move at the same time.

Just max your suit sensors, then people can track you. If you don't have time explain what's going on in detail, then maybe you should focus more on your survival rather than trying to specify someone's hostility.

Suit sensors can be removed via stripping, a scream of "JOHN BAD" gets people looking for you immediately, a lot faster than "HELP" would for reasons unknown (validhunters), and it's also allowing you to provide as much information as possible ("I need help" and "This person is attacking me") in the shortest amount of time, which is very important WHEN YOU CANNOT SPEAK AND MOVE AT THE SAME TIME DUE TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THE VIDEOGAME.

I'm all for having the word banned for use in times of Peace, the HoS in his office shouldn't just be saying "John Bad" when asked why John's set to arrest. But you people are seriously forgetting "sometimes you cannot do things perfectly realistically due to the fact that this is a videogame and you cannot do two things that require the keyboard simultaneously."

[Turbonerd]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

The immediate response to ";HELP!!" is usually 6 people on comms yelling "Help WHERE?" a yell of "CHAPEL" doesn't mean anything and could just be an answer to someone's question, while "JOHN BAD" usually has people immediately trying to figure out where you are, and also means that at least after John cuts your head off and throws it out into deep space, your round removal isn't in vain.

You're just assuming that "bad" is a bypass for "antag". It's a good, catch-all word that covers every single possibility, and makes it clear you don't know what they are. It's, in essence, "UNKNOWN HOSTILE" but condensed down to three letters because you can't speak and move at the same time.

Just max your suit sensors, then people can track you. If you don't have time explain what's going on in detail, then maybe you should focus more on your survival rather than trying to specify someone's hostility.

Suit sensors can be removed via stripping, a scream of "JOHN BAD" gets people looking for you immediately, a lot faster than "HELP" would for reasons unknown (validhunters), and it's also allowing you to provide as much information as possible ("I need help" and "This person is attacking me") in the shortest amount of time, which is very important WHEN YOU CANNOT SPEAK AND MOVE AT THE SAME TIME DUE TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THE VIDEOGAME.

I'm all for having the word banned for use in times of Peace, the HoS in his office shouldn't just be saying "John Bad" when asked why John's set to arrest. But you people are seriously forgetting "sometimes you cannot do things perfectly realistically due to the fact that this is a videogame and you cannot do two things that require the keyboard simultaneously."

Being able to reliably call out an antagonist isn't the most important thing in the world. I'd rather have improved RP than people feeling safe with their lazy metacallouts (borderline 10 codes at this point). This is an RP community after all.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

The immediate response to ";HELP!!" is usually 6 people on comms yelling "Help WHERE?" a yell of "CHAPEL" doesn't mean anything and could just be an answer to someone's question, while "JOHN BAD" usually has people immediately trying to figure out where you are, and also means that at least after John cuts your head off and throws it out into deep space, your round removal isn't in vain.

You're just assuming that "bad" is a bypass for "antag". It's a good, catch-all word that covers every single possibility, and makes it clear you don't know what they are. It's, in essence, "UNKNOWN HOSTILE" but condensed down to three letters because you can't speak and move at the same time.

Just max your suit sensors, then people can track you. If you don't have time explain what's going on in detail, then maybe you should focus more on your survival rather than trying to specify someone's hostility.

Suit sensors can be removed via stripping, a scream of "JOHN BAD" gets people looking for you immediately, a lot faster than "HELP" would for reasons unknown (validhunters), and it's also allowing you to provide as much information as possible ("I need help" and "This person is attacking me") in the shortest amount of time, which is very important WHEN YOU CANNOT SPEAK AND MOVE AT THE SAME TIME DUE TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THE VIDEOGAME.

I'm all for having the word banned for use in times of Peace, the HoS in his office shouldn't just be saying "John Bad" when asked why John's set to arrest. But you people are seriously forgetting "sometimes you cannot do things perfectly realistically due to the fact that this is a videogame and you cannot do two things that require the keyboard simultaneously."

Being able to reliably call out an antagonist isn't the most important thing in the world. I'd rather have improved RP than people feeling safe with their lazy metacallouts (borderline 10 codes at this point). This is an RP community after all.

the improved rp of being forced to silently die with nobody knowing you died while Turbo Deathkill freely owns you with wordless death fuckin sucks. Trying to fix the text chat issue of killing people being super fast and mobile while talking requires you to effectively stun yourself with "if you cant type long enough words to pass an arbitrary check you should be banned" is dumb. Plus it encourages the meta play of people wordlessly fighting and brawling instead of calling for help or screaming on the radio, which is the opposite of what we want.

[Turbonerd]

Screaming ";Help!!" on comms is shorter than saying ";X bad" while also making more sense. It doesn't have to be coherent, but using "bad" to bypass the word filter for saying "antag" is just so unbelievably cringe and is just metacomms at this point.

The immediate response to ";HELP!!" is usually 6 people on comms yelling "Help WHERE?" a yell of "CHAPEL" doesn't mean anything and could just be an answer to someone's question, while "JOHN BAD" usually has people immediately trying to figure out where you are, and also means that at least after John cuts your head off and throws it out into deep space, your round removal isn't in vain.

You're just assuming that "bad" is a bypass for "antag". It's a good, catch-all word that covers every single possibility, and makes it clear you don't know what they are. It's, in essence, "UNKNOWN HOSTILE" but condensed down to three letters because you can't speak and move at the same time.

Just max your suit sensors, then people can track you. If you don't have time explain what's going on in detail, then maybe you should focus more on your survival rather than trying to specify someone's hostility.

Suit sensors can be removed via stripping, a scream of "JOHN BAD" gets people looking for you immediately, a lot faster than "HELP" would for reasons unknown (validhunters), and it's also allowing you to provide as much information as possible ("I need help" and "This person is attacking me") in the shortest amount of time, which is very important WHEN YOU CANNOT SPEAK AND MOVE AT THE SAME TIME DUE TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THE VIDEOGAME.

I'm all for having the word banned for use in times of Peace, the HoS in his office shouldn't just be saying "John Bad" when asked why John's set to arrest. But you people are seriously forgetting "sometimes you cannot do things perfectly realistically due to the fact that this is a videogame and you cannot do two things that require the keyboard simultaneously."

Being able to reliably call out an antagonist isn't the most important thing in the world. I'd rather have improved RP than people feeling safe with their lazy metacallouts (borderline 10 codes at this point). This is an RP community after all.

the improved rp of being forced to silently die with nobody knowing you died while Turbo Deathkill freely owns you with wordless death fuckin sucks. Trying to fix the text chat issue of killing people being super fast and mobile while talking requires you to effectively stun yourself with "if you cant type long enough words to pass an arbitrary check you should be banned" is dumb. Plus it encourages the meta play of people wordlessly fighting and brawling instead of calling for help or screaming on the radio, which is the opposite of what we want.

Screaming ";Help!!" is way shorter than "; X bad". Suit sensors also exist. It's not that hard.

[RedBaronFlyer]

No idea what Turbonerd is saying but as others have said, if you need to blurt out info real quick it’s fine to just say “HELP LIBRARY,” NUKIES CARGO,” “JANE HERETIC,” “BLOB ATMOS,” etc. If there were some sort of magical way to type and do stuff then sure I guess trying to encourage not using shorthand would be fine. As it currently stands it’s a necessity due to game limitations. A security officer saying “Jane bad” when the HOS asks them why they arrested Jane Doe the heretic isn’t fine. At the same time someone saying “Jane is a bad guy,” “Jane is doing some bad shit,” “Jane is evil,” etc. is fine for civilians (non-sec) trying to quickly inform security that a person is doing some illegal stuff even if they can’t quite pinpoint what sort of antagonist they are.

[Timberpoes]

Bad bad.

[CPTANT]

Like others have said it is mostly a code issue. Writing more in a situation where someone is carving you up with an esword is simply directly hurting you. I think people should have some slack for being short when they get jumped, they are fighting for their life and their adrenaline is sky high.

[iain0]

If the OP had put more context into this it might be more interesting. Having a conversation as exampled where the heat isn't on should be a better standard than the sheer mechanical necessity of trying to get any useful message off while you're also busy trying to epipen/fight/not die/dying.

In these situations, you have little time, typing takes time. Even if you were actually speaking with your mouth, with the 'experience' of having only a few seconds before you'll lose radio contact entirely short forms are bound to be used, and unlike RL we're all experienced enough to go straight to the point in those key seconds rather than panic. The point of crew arguably is to pass on information to enable everyone else to put the picture together (and not like there aren't incorrect calls, there are shitters whose go to as soon as you even stun them in your department is to scream about how you're rogue and murdering them on comms).

"Help" is literally no different to "help maints", which is almost exclusively a mocking joke of how to waste your limited radio time communicating nothing of value.

Put a hotkey in game that calls out on radio "Please assist me I am at location <areaname> and being attacked by <lastattacker>". Solves the mechanical issue of typing speed. Somehow I don't think anyone will be sold on this though. The element of a surprise attack (if you're not using the tools provided to prevent comms) is the race of action versus call out speed, less is literally more.

That said, in the same vein of information if I know what I'm up against then the call will just be "joe ling" "joe cult" etc, but when you're dealing with someone just hacking you up with a saw and you have no idea if its revs, tot, heretic, misc other just playing under rule 4s freedoms, or maybe just a non antag going off on one then you need a 'generic catchall'. Bad is a fine word. I also like 'rogue'.

[TheLoLSwat]

this might sound odd but i enjoy using rogue for when i suspect someone isnt station aligned and bad for when i suspect someone is actively against the station

[MooCow12]

say they are antagonizing the station if they are mischievous.

[DaydreamIQ]

I'll always prefer bad over someone straight up saying traitor or tot.

[WineAllWine]

what a bizarre policy proposal and it's odd that people are even countenancing it

[TheBibleMelts]

i don't think anybody is interested in enforcing this and most people in this thread aren't even sure if this was a serious suggestion.

things you feel are failrp should be adminhelped, i have noted people for treating the game like a round of mafia before.

bad good, until bad bad.

chesh: -1
fikou: -1