/tg/Station 13

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Immediate isn't really meant to mean instantaneously, but more like. The harm is obvious and direct, and not seperated by excessive time or ambiguity, I think.

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The hotkeys just don't work for me and never have. Most of the listed keys don't do anything. That's why I still use arrow keys and typing in the say bar, personally.

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I can't see how you read "don't kill yourself or put yourself into a situation where death is likely" as permitting it honestly.

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One key issue is that AI-on-AI action is like wiffle-bat rocket tag. You click, the other AI becomes completely helpless and muted from all comms except binary for several minutes. If your first notice that there's another AI being made is to see it in robotics mid-construction, you should ...

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It would be nice if a basic expectation on the roleplay server was that people would try asking for things before wordlessly breaking into departments to get it themself. I mean its not like Terry where you usually just open the doors for them to reduce the property damage since its the easiest path ...

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if(HAS_TRAIT(SSstation, STATION_TRAIT_PRAYER_DAY))
return get_safe_random_station_turf(typesof(/area/station/service/chapel)) || get_latejoin_spawn_point()

This would be a pretty easy add honestly

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I think that any headmin ruling that redefines what the actual text of the game rules are should just be a rules change. Making a rules change doesn't *have* to be a six month term-definining project every time resulting in tiptoing around the idea of changing the wording on the big important page ...

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Always been a great community member and best cyborg, +1

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Clowns that take their shoes off for an advantage suck. But also clowns should be free to change into whatever horrendously clashing autodrobe outfit they want

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I think the key to adding more "visceral" injury experiences is to not make them put people in medbay longer or require much more specialised treatment? I know they generally go hand-in-hand, but I do wonder if we could explore seperating "You can get totally fucked up in a fight" from "you will ...

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It's still kinda shocking to see MSO go. Man became such a foundationstone to so many things over time. Big thanks are due, and best wishes to Scriptis for volunteering to take over as the Omelas Kid.

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I'm kinda for the idea of cargo getting an AI lockout lever that the QM can flip if theyre worried about the AI falling victim to Alexa Order Twenty Crates Of Cardboard

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Jumping someone who's just gotten off/ is on the shuttle is being a complete dick and shouldnt be done

Antags are allowed to be dicks, but we dont want them spawncamping so they have a specific exemption from their rule 4 freedoms

Seems simple

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IMO typos and misspellings are fair game in general, but I think that minor grammatical errors like "revolutionarys" instead of "revolutionaries" aren't, particularly where there is no other possible reasonable meaning - "revolutionarys" is being treated as a plural by the law, and the only possible ...

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That was a significantly larger answer than I expected, and I feel bad because all I can really say is "I don't think antag rounds are sacred and players are welcome to do what they want as an antagonist, I don't see that as 'stealing someone else's gameplay' because it's not someone else's. it's ...

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I'd say the issue of access is addressed within' policy as well. The section about silicons and access states that opening doors without immediate human harm threat is not harmful, and then it ammends that statement by listing places that can be considered harmful. Imma be honest my original ...

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This point is just to illustrate that AIs and borgs CAN perform an act that's basically a sabotage, if they are reasonably certain that the harm part of it (again explosion, pressure, shock, radiation and suffocation) can be averted. And decline such offer if they are unsure of this possibility ...

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Hard disagree on combining "Contraband" and "EOTC". EOTC is for when you catch a traitor. Contraband is for people who took syndie loot as a bribe / stole it off the ground during a gunfight and wont give it back / whatever and only exists to discourage the crew from hanging onto traitor items they ...

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Stop typing ?roulette if you don't want to be timed-out from the discord server haha.

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Yes we have gimped asimovs original laws of robotics, presumably to improve the experience of borg players so they can't be told to kill themselves. I don't like it either but I prefer a much more gritter type of game where playing a borg means you might be ordered to self destruct.

Human antag ...

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By allowing myself to be damaged, i am allowing myself to be brought closer to nonexistence through inaction. My nonexistence causes human harm, therefore, being close to nonexistence has the potential to cause human harm, and by not mitigating this potential for human harm, I am allowing human ...

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Be the change you want to see. Ambush "friendly antags" as sec and throw them in the permabrig in their underwear for Enemy of the Corporation (or send them through the gateway with an exile implant if you think metafriends soft-hearted sympathisers will break them out/rescind your arrest). They'll ...

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What's more, mechs seem to be the only crew-side ability that can't be taken from you by simply being out-played by another player UNLESS they take it before you get it. Your only options with a mech are to destroy it, flee from it, or die to it. Having a mech used against you is never in the ...

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We also don't define "order", "silicon", or "law" there because we expect people playing this game to have at least a faint clue.

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so, i will say this and i mean it in a completely unironic fashion: skill issue
now, let me elaborate on that. becoming a sec officer is a voluntary choice. you go into it knowing that your job is going to be having to robust bad men. you are given the tools for massive advantages there, which ...

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I feel like for some reason people are giving more empathy to antags than silicons, especially when it is objectively a skill issue that they didn't include a clause or order not to kill them. If it was me, I would get killed by the AI once, suck up the loss, and write down a super exhaustive law ...

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One of the most frustrating things in the game is somebody just coming into your job and saying too bad the HOP said I can work here without having asked you at all. In the past not Only have I kicked these people out For this, but I have also ahelped them and been told to always do so. This is ...

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The fact that it is even possible to metacomm if you ask an admin first is throwing me through a loop.

What.

I thought TG was like ultra mega harsh NO METACOMMS you know?

You can break so many rules if the currently online admins ok it. (Also when every admin online are orbiting you and your ...

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If the ai has "Only follow the orders of X" and no urgent/pressing reason & permission to kill X (and I wouldnt consider "to stop X giving me orders" a good reason), you're being a nasty little shit if you do it, and its bad play.

If their subversion law has an unexpected flaw due to them ...

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Head of Staff is a pretty good comparison to AI when it comes to "But why can't I make more of them!", with the added complication of "Your departmental workers (cyborgs) are required by code to obey one OR the other of you", "If you are given different assignments by the crew the new head of staff ...

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The OP should probbably be clearer that this poorly-formatted thread's thesis is "Mimes who break the vow should be full valid and get round removed" , instead of the current "Free to kill 'em but dont space/gib/whatever" ruling.

character limit, title changed to reflect policy better

Ta

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The only time I read mime papers is if they treat it like a PDA message with just emojis. On paper I view it as if they just drew a picture.

The ones that write out sentences in full are pretty..meh.

If a mime hands you a paper written message, hand it back and tell them you need it stamped ...

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I do agree that "All bots, machines, computers, and the arrivals announcer become completely incomprehensible" is way too common in gameplay

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The OP should probbably be clearer that this poorly-formatted thread's thesis is "Mimes who break the vow should be full valid and get round removed", instead of the current "Free to kill 'em but dont space/gib/whatever" ruling.

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These are the pitfalls of using a set of fictional rules written by someone in the 1950s and probably not meant to be actually used in practice outside of a prewritten story. It's a good framework that has been used to good effect, but probably isn't without it's major holes. In my opinion Asimov ...

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Oooh, what a cliffhanger!

My guess is 4 deaths.

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I do like the idea of chaplain being able to call an assembly which gives them AND participants something. Anything which causes people to want to put down what theyre already doing and get together in one place in this game for a short while is cool.

Plus you can have a trait which makes you "pre ...

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More than one Durand in a round should be the sort of thing that is difficult and makes other people yell at you for hogging the mats yeah, but material availability is kinda incredibly dependent on how fast the top tier of upgrades were rushed and applied to the ORM for mad ore dupes.

In general ...

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I still really just feel that if you want to be casually killing people you should be disguising yourself to carry out nefarious activities. SS13 is a game where disguises are a really powerful and creative tool, from the simple (gas mask on + PDA in pocket) to the complex (chameleon outfit, keeping ...

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Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:25 am snop

Corpse issue could be resolved by making eaten corpses be stasis'd until the dragon dies maybe

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I didn't like the change to firstname lastname name policy in the first place, and I definitely didn't like letting people put "nickname" in their name, but alien names have shown up in the meantime so who knows? I think its an interesting change to test. I suspect that if the default names remain ...

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I personally think the "vibes line" on this one is more or less that sec shouldn't be deliberately carrying or using contraband gear that makes them look like a baddie to a casual observer outside of "Stationwide disaster nothing else matters" or "happened to have it/grabbed it while being attacked ...

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That or make Posibrains unable to be put in researchable AI cores. You want a second ai? You better draw them from the crew themself rather than a random bored ghost.

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AIs are in general subject to escalation, so the non-silicon crew probbably shouldn't be killing them just for getting made unless they were like, a crew who volunteered to do it instead of a posi.

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If borgs are gonna be slow can they be immune to the dragging-stuff slowdown too, its so annoying to move anything around the station as a borg that i always try and just line up full-speed-shoving-it-along angles to avoid the slow

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I don't like space dragon as an antag but I don't think it should be disabled on manuel only. admin-only means admin-never in most circumstances.

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As someone who's often interested in a high popcount when playing because I prefer roles whose content is based off player-player interaction density, I wouldn't personally be interested in going on Basil below ~20 pop no matter the ruleset. I like Manuel more than Terry, but if Manuel has 21 ...

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If you want to avoid the "theres a zillion assistants and nobody wants to deal with that", isnt there a config setting which controls the ratio of "open assistant slots" vs "sec officers in round" or something?

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Theres definitely at least some people who join in, see its a map they dont like, and immediately run mapvote

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If you aren't invalidating someone else's expected job content against their will, I dont think you're breaking the rules. So if the chef is just a bit behind the ravenous hunger of the crew, you're crossing a line by installing the Diabetomatic 3000 across the hall, but if he's insisting that he ...

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