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I can already see the endless streams of admin bwoinking Terry sec players will have to deal with.

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I'm not so convinced. SS14 does have a stronger engine for the most part, but appears to have some fairly... dubious aspects as well. Weirdly, despite being built out of toothpicks, our features and QoL from a player perspective is significantly past that of SS14 Vanilla. And SS14 seems to still ...

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Honestly, I regret even posting about it earlier, because this is a SS13 community, and not a place to talk about nuanced takes on current social issues. But also, It continues to derail the community to political infighting which is probably exactly what MSO wants. The thread should be locked ...

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iwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:13 pm So why is the question about a man and not a woman? Well, first and foremost, males statistically tend to commit more violent crimes.

Big facepalm. So now we are at "bigotry is allowed if I try to back it up with statistics"?

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the official position of me, myself, and i is that the expression of bigotry is banned from this community and wubli would've gotten a beatdown if it weren't for immediate mistrial by the host a) inciting the remarks in the first place by calling out wubli by name in chatter after locking ...

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DrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 3:55 am I think wubli was right

@Timberpoes

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Is this the official position of the headmin team?

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I don't see what's vile in that statement since yes, i'd rather pick a bear over a person from any of listed groups to meet in a forest or dark alley randomly. In fact, the worst thing that you can meet in such desolate and not frequented places is another human. (with the caveat that i can ...

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The core difference is that no one argues that bear is safer than a man. But if anything happens actually, a bear will do it out of instinct, be it hunger or sense of danger - and a man will do it consciously and with premeditation. Honestly taking the whole metaphor at face value is just visibly ...

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I think wubli was right

Would you find the following statements offensive?

"I would rather play Russian roulette with a loaded revolver than be in a room with a black person"

"I would rather ram a fork in a power outlet and hope it's the neutral than meet a Jew in an empty parking lot ...

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the reason a lot of women do not feel safe when alone around men is because they in real life have bad experiences with being alone around men this might sound crazy but its true, i dont think we really need to pivot to "um what wubli said was problematic"

Like I said before I don't think ...

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Honestly one thing I am still wondering about is what people think of what Wubli said to MSO. I get that this was said halfway through the ordeal so things were already heated, but it still rubs me the wrong way. Do we really have to make statements that boil down to "I'd rather have a significant ...

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MSO induced more burnout in coders than headmins.

Headmin-wise he stayed out of the way unless you were touching his freeze peach or threatening to shut down polcon or whatever.

During my second headmin term he pissed me off at some point near the start, so I lectured him in the headmin channels ...

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If you want to ban all forms of IC bigotry then please have sensible bans and not some blanket "Zero tolerance", because every other zero tolerance rule has led to dumb results.

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TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:53 am I'm not trying to be rude but it's in the text you quoted, and she uses she/they basically everywhere else

Someone saying they don't have preferred pronouns and then someone else getting upset for them has to be some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

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Vekter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:52 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:55 pm is retarded a slur
It can be used as one and most often is.

Retarded has long passed the stage of being a slur and has become a general insult, just like moron, idiot or imbecile.

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TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:00 am wrong pronouns 4head

testing123 wrote: (ps, for the record, I do not have preferred pronouns at the moment but am experimenting with feminine ones)

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The dumb thing I think is that a lot of MSO's stances on men's rights and things weren't actually that weird. They do often make sense logically. It's just his complete obsession with them and his draconic actions to anyone who thought otherwise and his outright meltdown over them are what led to ...

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Well that was a weird twist.

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Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:30 pm a true player would know that insulated gloves dont give you chunky fingers

Wow, removed a whole month ago. Now do the rest.

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Honestly a lot of what was discussed in this thread before it was derailed is due to code changes. It completely changed the gameplay loop of being a traitor. Even without the obvious effect of progtrot there has been an incredibly steady effort to remove anything useful from the station. In the ...

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Honestly the same as how saying assholes have a small dick or how they are bald and fat is just pure body shaming. It actively hurts people who are good people despite having a small penis, lack of hair or are overweight by tying these traits to being an asshole.

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Honestly the point is still that this isn't just a headmin ruling on existing rules, it is an entirely new rule and should stated as such in the rules. There is a clear difference with most other ruling where they are an interpretation of existing rules. You can not arrive at this interpretation ...

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Honestly the point is still that this isn't just a headmin ruling on existing rules, it is an entirely new rule and should stated as such in the rules. There is a clear difference with most other ruling where they are an interpretation of existing rules. You can not arrive at this interpretation ...

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I would also like to state that what it does say in the headmin rules is not particularly informative:

We welcome admins to note lowpop murderbone at their discretion. Repeated notes may result in bans

I am rather surprised myself honestly that "low-pop" is anything under 35 people now.

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https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings

It's been on this page and active policy since November 21 2021. The visibility of this page and the clarity of its contents could be improved. It should also be standard practice for admins to utilize warnings written in notes before applying lengthy ...

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So admins are actually enforcing this now. Maybe actual write it down in the rules and don't assume everyone just knows?

There is no reference to this policy whatsoever and it is major enough to not just let people hunt policy threads for it.

4. Lone antagonists are unbound by (most) rules.
With ...

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Thanks MSO for all your effort and dedication to the server!

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So what actually is the policy on antags saying words that make people valid?

Should they now allow themselves to be killed without fighting back?

Can they kill people trying to get those sweet valids anyway?

It seems there is nothing written down about this policy anyway.

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Fiddling with the AI's laws should always feel like a monkey's paw situation. If you don't want your laws lawyered, then don't change the laws or take the gamble that you have an AI player that will interpret them the way you want. A single comma can completely change the meaning of a sentence and ...

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One piece of feedback on Mechs:

Can we please get rid of the DNA lock? It is the most boring thing ever. If you can't keep your mech safe you deserve someone else using it.

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Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:06 pm
Plasma flood good. Killing people trying to fight the plasma flood bad, that's a direct and specific set of personal actions to maximise body count.

What about an actually proper plasma flood with air alarms set and sabotaged doors for maximum spread?

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Why is the captain suddenly needed for executions, this was never the case.

Also I hate if this entire operation procedure was enforced as an OOC ruling, it really feels like telling other people how to play the game.

This was ALWAYS the case, what are you talking about
In cases where the ...

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Why is the captain suddenly needed for executions, this was never the case.

Also I hate if this entire operation procedure was enforced as an OOC ruling, it really feels like telling other people how to play the game.

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The idea that "wordlessly killing" amount to NRP is dumb in the first place. There are plenty of situations where that is perfectly fine IC, for example people trespassing high security areas like the armory, AI upload or *gasp* bridge.

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if this thread wants to be a bunch of soapboxing about the good old days then that is fine as well, i can easily move it to the player's club if the OP wants this. this is productive in its own right and i am not against it. as you also said, the times change with the term. if enough people ...

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Enforcing the Law is not being a "shitsec".

If all you are doing is ruining somebodies day because they wanted to space explore and committed the victimless crime of asking ai to open EVA then yes you are infact being Shitsec for enforcing the law.

Come on this is part of the game. Evading ...

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I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who ...

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I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has ...

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I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been ...

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The change is a better wording of actual policy.

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The policy is just unfun. People should be allowed to choose how they want to play. Existing policy "Dont suicide log out afk" is more than sufficient to not be encroaching upon player freedom and a lack of expectations to handle every single random crime, properly and correctly, including only ...

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Rule 1 isn't flawless either, it is repeatedly abused to punish any behaviour the admin doesn't like. There was this nice post about the difference between being a dick and dickery, but some people just don't like non-antag IC conflict and will fish for any reason to punish it.

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A botanist should not be getting bwoinked for simply growing holymelons and should not have to have any reason whatsoever. They are a botanist growing plants, that is your reason.

Up through (3) ought to be allowed, since they’re not yet being used to hinder any antags, and there is no ...

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As an avid sec player. Nah. Admins already breathe down my neck for sending a tider to the gulag for 500 points. If an admin PMs me about not arresting someone I should have arrested I'm just gonna close my game out

This is blatantly against security policy though which states sentences up to ...

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Fine as a roleplay suggestion, shitty as a rule.

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The solution should be randomness. The options to get powerful things should change every round so it can't be abused every time.

Something OP appearing every 20 rounds is fun, something OP appearing every round is not.

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Already exists, it's called midround traitor. The negative effects of progression traitor will affect regular traitor when implemented with a timelock, the only thing that progression traitor introduces is complexity which may change how a player decides to approach problems, but the complexity ...

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IIRC the main reason the timelock exists is to prevent the "spawns as a traitor, buy a bunch of bombs, and kamikaze the medbay 30 seconds into the shift" kind of stuff.

Which can be trivially implemented with an actual timelock, which prevents all of the negative effects of progression traitor.

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So what actually is this "trimmed" ruleset?

Will it just be basically MRP enforced on all servers?

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