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Just for reference for all interested parties, the most recent ruling/guidance on early launching shuttles was last year. It can be found here:
https://forums.tgstation13.org/viewtopic.php?p=733802#p733802

We think that timber made a good post here;

"Existential threat to the station, or ...

Rule 4 itself doesn't prevent you editing atmos roundstart in a way that'd cuck over malf AIs as long as you're not doing it to cuck over malf AIs. And there are now more valid ctrl-c ctrl-v reasons that apply in 100% of shifts without exception than ever before for atmosians to roundstart repipe ...

I don't think it's confusingly worded.

Obviously the truth for why an atmos tech repipes atmos can literally be "just because I wanted to optimise it better" and there's not much an admin can say to contest it, even where this outcome is functionally 1:1 identical to "I'm repiping atmos at minute 0 ...

For archival purposes, a forum ban was requested from the top of the admin pyramid and has now been placed against the OP as a result of their conduct in this appeal. To the OP, the day they threatened to evade was the most important day of their life. To us, it was Tuesday.

Additional reasoning ...

The host and headmins have been informed of this re-appeal. Finally, I will highlight that the player takes the opportunity to explain why they are re-appealing immediately, just so this part doesn't get lost in any recycled content from their previous appeal.

...

I made an appeal already, but ...

This is partially a transparency post to explain that I chose to approve this topic on my own discretion, as it was in the post approval queue as the player has not (due to being permabanned) had the opportunity to link their in-game account to the forums.

Ordinarily denied permaban appeals can ...

Since you've referenced the ahelp ticket, I've copied the logs for the ticket you had with the banning admin below so you can reference it as necessary.

From Ticket #3 during round 252529 on manuel:

---- Log Begins ----
2025-05-24 08:48:18: Ticket Opened by dunham: Hey, cut out the poop talk ...

The classical n bomb and some common variants should be/hopefully are hard filtered.

Only a small handful of people can see the word filter these days because it's locked behind top level ops access now and even headmins need to ask someone else to see a copy of it or change it.

Not only is it already filtered, it was filtered many moons ago under MSO's former reign.

He ran the stats on the word's usage on Terry and discovered that was a rounding-error-to-0% """correct""" usage of the word and that basically every instance was OOC in IC. As a result, it was added to the ...

I think part of the reason we're perceived as losing more of our pop, is because we're chasing pop. For the past 5+ years I've been here, we haven't been about chasing pop. We've instead carved our niche and players came here because we offered the best SS13 regardless of pop. The best events, the ...

As an aside, the Manuel pop cap wasn't removed by the headmins. It was removed by the ops team due to losing the old Manuel configs.

In my opinion, it should be put back on.

Some people are pissing themselves about pop counts so much I think they are losing sight of what matters; curating the best ...

If fixed your link for you to link to the image rather than the webpage the image was on.

I'm going to back Dendy and will also 1984 some of the contentless posts from after this thread was moved to the policy subforum that do nothing to contribute to the greater discussion on the topic.

Chimpston requested deletion of their forum account via forum PMs.

I asked scriptis if I was allowed to accomodate this request, it was formerly something our previous host exercised executive control over. He gave me permission to. Thus it has been done.

How their account deletion request being ...

I voted for it explicitly to give the admins precisely what they wanted, a dumb solution to a problem that only exists because it's something that wasn't properly changed in the first place and is a result of the MRP specific configs being lost and the LRP ones before restored to Manuel.

And to be ...

Also aren't you guys supposed to ask before you post a player's notes and ahelp logs? You and the only other relevant parties (headmins) have access to them if they're needed. Whatever keep them up, it doesn't matter.

The ahelp logs can be revealed by either party if they feel it necessary ...

Just a polite reminder on the rules of this subforum and what is at stake when people go out of their way to personalise their appeals to the extent that perhaps they're taking the piss a little.

https://forums.tgstation13.org/viewtopic.php?t=44

6. No image macros, reaction images, memes or ...

Since Sothanforax was under admin training during this ticket, you may end up with questions from either them or their trainer (dataxpunged) or both.

Data mentioned your ban reason was amended shortly after it was placed as the trainer/trainee combo weren't happy with the initial wording. This ...

We didn't enable rainbow assistants last term.

One of our headmins quit, the host went malf and we lost half our players.

Coincidence?

I think not.

Spookuni is consistently one of the few people on tgstation I actually listen to when they tell me I'm being retarded.

Thank you for coming back to keep me in check during that shitstorm. You are truly one of the ones of all time.

They were brought back during the Burger/DrAmazing/Poes term, then MSO exploded the servers a few hours later and we forgot to do their forum stuff.

Uh possibly on the 19th January around that timeframe the Timberpoes/DrAmazing/Burger term unretired Spookuni and they're back to Game Master/Admin Trainer we forgot to post here sorry.

From your original appeal I conducted an additional investigation and decided you probably were an evader from the evidence I gathered, but because you took the effort to appeal instead of continue evading I suggested to the admin team that we can give you a chance to prove our suspicion of you ...

Oh so many months later, ABritishfox passes trial and has been promoted to Game Admin!

Promoted!

Meow12 has failed trial due to inactivity and is no longer an admin.

Trial failed due to inactivity. Meow12 is no longer an admin.

Meow12 has failed trial due to inactivity. They are no longer an admin.

On Jan 26th blitzarde was unretired back to Trial Admin.

After an extension due to inactivity, they finally opted to discontinue their trial. Accordingly, their trial is failed due to inactivity and they are no longer an admin.

Trial failed due to inactvitiy.

BlitzArde was given an additional trial extension last week-ish due to inactivity, and soon after elected to discontinue their trial. Accordingly, their trial is ultimately deemed failed for inactivity.

We're chaging Rule 11's wording to the follows:

11. Bigotry is not allowed.
Intentionally seeking to demean others due to their actual or perceived race, sex, gender, disability, orientation or the like is not tolerated.

The rest of the fluff around the rule is just that. Fluff. And it makes it ...

I'm not even sure there's anything admins can do here.

Pointing is just the most optimal strategy for getting someone's attention about any topic of interest. It literally spawns a magical fucking imaginary red arrow above the exact thing you click on that goes from you to the thing.

Words cannot ...

I popped on both Manuel and Terry and spawned in a GPS. About 30-ish space ruins each. Some z-levels spawned 7-8 ruins. At one area I increased my camera view range to 34 and I had 6 ruins in view at one time on one z-level.

One word. Wow. I'm not even sure if it stopped spawning ruins because it ...

I polled the elects and 2 responded with quick comments with some negative vibes for some aspects of naming policy as it currently is. The third was Rex who has posted a take in this thread.

So this will be delegated to them to decide if they want to do anything with it or if it's too much of a bee ...

I have no clue what this policy post is proposing headmins do.

Headmins have absolute discretion to approve new admins. Trainers have absolute discretion to propose new admins to the headmins. Our requirements have always been fluid and flexible, and in the past we have modified them based on ...

The incoming headmin term have been convinced to not use Github to discuss server config changes. This probably means that you're unlikely to get config change approval outside of making a policy thread, unless it's to correct an incorrect config entry, update the config when the codebase adds new ...

DrAmazing: +1, admins can fix her
Timberpoes: -1, "I'm -1. Fuck drones. Remove drones. Should have never been re-added. Literal player-controlled NPCs lawed out of any interactions at all. Trash garbage waste of resources just throw the metal out of an airlock."
Omega: I asked him twice he's busy ...

I'm -1, DrAmazing is +1, I haven't asked Omega cuz he's busy with other headmin stuff, and iain0 is -1 so I'm just gonna half pull-rank and say there's no current appetite in this, although if next headmin term disagrees they can always re-open this. I don't want to implement a change that next term ...

We argued this a bunch and there's like no consensus at all on this being an issue and nobody has brought it up again since this policy thread so it can't be that bad right?

RPR10 is the route to make temporary rules or policy changes like this if some of the antag freedoms get over-used either by ...

Congrats iain0, you're now headmin so you get to decide what the policy meant all along!

Blitzed this and the general consensus from the admin team is a mix of "we can fix him" and "let's cap assistants", so without further ado I release to you the hilarious result of what the admins decided:

Manuel assistant count is now capped at 5 players.

This is not a late April Fool's joke and ...

Doesn't look like there's any real appetite to change policy on this.

Please refer to a past term's clarification on this topic instead, which also didn't involve any change to the rules:

https://forums.tgstation13.org/viewtopic.php?p=723684

many thanks to everyone who has participated in this ...

The reality will be - still need more pop in general. Maybe try again once more of the dust has settled. Also see plans to make a tg-hosted quasi-independent HRP server similar to TGMC.

Somehow I think the current headmin term are going to timeout on any major dynamic changes, but I'm leaving this open incase any trickle through to the next headmin term.

The incoming elects are free to close this at their discretion if they have either 1. no interest in changing dynamic or 2. want ...

this qualifies as the expression of bigotry in my book so I feel like you should ahelp these people so we can launch them into the sun

this is my opinion headmins have to rule on this

Tough. I'm taking this and running with it.

It's clear that these things are capable of forming the basis of ...

Admins always have to contextually common-sense rule when players get picked off just shortly after spawning.

Sometimes shit happens, but antags also have a responsibility when operating around arrivals to not just murder-death-kill bambis fresh off the shuttle. On the other hand, players that have ...

I think this thread's discussion ran its course months ago and can be closed out without needing too much additional headmin input.

I will reiterate the following two points in emphasis:

Just because a player can do something within the rules, it doesn't stop any consequences for it IC. Every ...

Just went ahead and changed this config-side.

## The message that the player receives whenever prompted whether they want to send an urgent ahelp or not.
URGENT_AHELP_USER_PROMPT There are no admins currently on. The button below will notify admins on our Discord server about your ahelp. Do not ...

We won't add it to any filters because it has too many valid IC uses as a word.

Players should definitely ahelp suspected OOC in IC when they see it. The tickets usually require 0 interaction with the admin team if you give the name or an exact copy-paste of what they said and usually get resolved ...

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