[Dunham] CGI_gaychild - Headmin requested for ludicrously overtuned permaban

cgigc · Post by **cgigc** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:34 pm #778922

BYOND account: CGI_gaychild

Ban/note duration: permanent
Ban/note reason: "very abrasive individual, was also rping defecation on coms"
Time ban was placed: 2025-05-24 9:29:16
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 252529

Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes):
(x) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh

Why should this appeal be accepted?:
This is a first-offense permaban for the crime of comms abuse. This is the first time I've ever been bwoinked by an admin, IIRC. I've never been warned or even reprimanded by an admin before.

I came home drunk, made an IC poop joke over comms about how my character had to go to the bathroom. It was stupid and a mistake.

The admin bwoinked me and told me to not do that. I *immediately* apologized, accepted his reprimand fully and resolved to no longer do that. He then said my behavior warranted a an official warning on my record. I asked what I could do to make the warning go away. He said I had to make a forum appeal over a warning, I thought that was stupid and gave my perspective in an irreverent manner.

Things got headed in the bwoink. I worded my perspective too strongly, and Dunham reacted in a kneejerk way over it -- no saints here. Dunham went through every single thing I had ever said and tried to find something he could use to justify a ban with. He apparently found something to backwards-justify a ban. Here are my logs with him:

Spoiler:

To be clear, I was not insulting Dunham or trying to calling him any of this stuff. I was using figurative/irreverent language to suggest that the punishment-fetish culture of 2025 ss13 is creepy and weird. I stand by the position that the game has become too micromanaged by admins.

here is the logs of my IC ;say that the admin used to justify a first-offense permaban. The situation was the HoP (I think?) cuffing me and dragging me away for no apparent reason. I called my assailant a retard, and this was apparently enough for the admin to go nuclear and permaban me without any prior offenses or warnings:

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(Jonas Field) (mob_3083) "are you retarded or something?" 
(Jonas Field) (mob_3083) "can you let me out retard"
(Jonas Field) (mob_3083) "hey retard"
(Jonas Field) (mob_3083) "yeah you"
(Jonas Field) (mob_3083) "Miter Retardo"
(Jonas Field) (mob_3083) "explain yourself retard"

What clearly happened is that the admin didn't like my irreverent / insufficiently deferential tone with him, and then looked for something to justify a ban with. But it's obviously ridiculous to permaban someone over expressing disagreement with a warning over foul language over comms. This permaban should be overturned by any sane standard of moderation. I'd like to restate that I've never even been warned by an admin before this, and I believe I've never even been bwoinked.

I made a mistake by engaging in immature comms abuse, but I am an oldhead who comes from the era of SS13 when flooding comms with much worse content (remember "Woody's Got Wood"?) was common and accepted. So I made a mistake by behaving out of line with expected norms and I accept that - again, I apologized and expressed that to the admin.

I made an appeal already, but it was bizarrely and unreasonably closed without discussion, especially considering that this was a first-time warning over comms abuse. There just is not an argument for sustaining this ban, I'm afraid.

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:54 pm #778925

This is partially a transparency post to explain that I chose to approve this topic on my own discretion, as it was in the post approval queue as the player has not (due to being permabanned) had the opportunity to link their in-game account to the forums.

Ordinarily denied permaban appeals can only be re-appealed after a year. Opening up a second appeal after the first is denied by the headmins or host may rustle some jimmies, but this kinda is what it is.

In all other respects, it is entirely up to the powers that be - well above and beyond myself - as to whether they truly wish to entertain the same appeal a second time on this topic. The previous appeal is at viewtopic.php?t=38721.

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:58 pm #778926

The host and headmins have been informed of this re-appeal. Finally, I will highlight that the player takes the opportunity to explain why they are re-appealing immediately, just so this part doesn't get lost in any recycled content from their previous appeal.

cgigc wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:34 pm ...

I made an appeal already, but it was bizarrely and unreasonably closed without discussion, especially considering that this was a first-time warning over comms abuse. There just is not an argument for sustaining this ban, I'm afraid.

cgigc · Post by **cgigc** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:28 pm #778929

I'd like to note that I've made significant edits to the OP since posting this thread, but I don't think they've been approved yet.

Post by **Scriptis** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:31 pm #778930

2/3 headmins (at time of writing) have OKed me to respond here.

I closed the previous appeal and because of your extensive history and numerous bans on other servers.

Per policy,

Rule 0.3 wrote: Admins may mirror bans from other servers at their discretion.

If you didn't get the memo there, why would we give you the benefit of the doubt here?

Post by **Scriptis** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:54 pm #778931

Also, I've taken the time to reach out to Paradise station--the details of your appeal appeal aren't public, but they were shared with me, it seems like you were a really shite player.

I've also looked over your appeals (and admin complaint) from BeeStation (readers; see https://forums.beestation13.com/t/cgi-g ... on/26903/3).

The broad sense I'm getting here is that I don't want your playstyle anywhere near this community and that you're just incredibly toxic. Again, why would we give you the benefit of the doubt here?

cgigc · Post by **cgigc** » Sat May 24, 2025 10:30 pm #778935

Because I've followed all the rules on my server of choice, /tg/station. I immediately apologized for immature comms jokes. Then admins tried to work backwards from me acting disrespectful/insufficiently deferential in a ticket to find something to get me on.

I should get the benefit of the doubt because there's not much to doubt. While I've done a few things wrong on a few servers over the years, most of my other bans are from violating rules that don't exist on /tg/, such as turning off suit sensors and hiding bodies of a sec officer I eliminated as antagonist -- this is exactly what happened on BeeStation, so I am really glad you brought that ban up. Would eliminating a sec officer & turning off their suit sensors as antag result in a ban on /tg/station? If not, why are you concerned about such a worryingly stupid ban? I've reached out to to other BeeStation senior admins in private and they are in fact quite sympathetic to my appeal and didn't understand why my appeals were closed. Here, let me link my admin complaint appeal that is still being reviewed by their staff: https://forums.beestation13.com/t/rukof ... ld/26913/9

Otherwise, my bans it's for speaking with mild irreverence (saying "Space Trump 3024" once over comms). Those bans are usually overtuned and in some cases outright lies about what happens. As you might be aware, admins today have a tendency to ban and close appeals without even giving the accused the opportunity to respond, and that happened in many of the listed cases -- that's what happened with my paradise station ban that you mentioned (though I don't remember the exact details, I accept that I may have been a moron in that instance). But by and large I disagree with many or most of the rules or enforcement interpretations that I ran afoul because I find them to be insane micromanagement. I think most /tg/station players would have similar sentiments.

So yeah, I like /tg/station for a number of reasons, and among these reasons is that /tg/ hasn't quite succumbed to the insane moderation creep that has infected the larger ss13 community. And I am not alone on this, not by a longshot. The frequent top posts on places like the SS13 subreddit are players expressing frustration with how micromanaged most servers have become compared to only a few years ago. People don't like what's happening to the moderation culture of the game and it's not a case of "the players must be wrong. They must all be hardened criminal greytiders." This is what makes /tg/station a better server.

So let's recap:

- "you made a poop joke over comms"
It's the first time I've been bwoinked and I immediately apologized. I've never had any prior offenses on /tg/

- "you were irreverent to an admin when strongly disagreeing with a warning"
Things got heated over a dumb issue. That was stupid.

- "Well you've had bans on other servers"
Yeah, for being mildly irreverent over comms or hiding a sec officer's body when I was antag. Those bans are usually not within the realm of reason, are from servers with intensely authoritarian rules environments compared to tg, and are often for rules that do not exist on /tg/. Why would we mirror bans from servers with far stricter rules and enforcement than this one, moderation policies which the /tg/ community wouldn't respect or accept? It doesn't make sense.

So, what's there to doubt? I apologized, I've resolved to be more careful, and the bans we're considering mirroring (for some reason?) themselves range from extremely flimsy & overtuned to outright ridiculous. None of this adds up to anything in the same universe as a permaban.

I'm not going to break the rules again; I simply have no desire to do so. I think that's pretty clear from me immediately apologizing.

Post by **Scriptis** » Sat May 24, 2025 10:47 pm #778937

It's cool that you don't agree with your bans, but I still take the word of the people that banned you over yours, especially given the responses I've seen from the admins over at Paradise. I particularly take issue with your NRP playstyle, the bans for transphobia and homophobia, and just, your god damned vibes, dude. You look like you time traveled here from the worst parts of 2008.

People don't like what's happening to the moderation culture of the game

Cool, I don't want those people on my servers. They can go play on whatever flavor-of-the-month trash heap is up and running that allows slurs, sexual harassment, transphobia, and any range of NRP bullcrap.
I'd offer you the chance to prove yourself here but you've already lost that chance on what, five other servers? No, that's enough. Go away.

cgigc · Post by **cgigc** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:07 pm #778939

especially given the responses I've seen from the admins over at Paradise.

Care to share? I think I made a sexual comment but I don't remember what.

the bans for transphobia and homophobia

This just didn't happen, sorry. The transphobia one was a misunderstanding of some unrelated IC stuff, and I was banned in the classic "ban him before he can even respond so we can plug our ears" way. It woulda been nice if I could have responded though because the misinterpretation was easy to explain.

They can go play on whatever flavor-of-the-month trash heap is up and running that allows slurs, sexual harassment, transphobia, and any range of NRP bullcrap.

...I didn't do those things though.

You're not making any arguments and I'm scratching head wondering why. You're not even sharing the specifics of this elusive but apparently-paramount infraction on Paradise. Like, I'm giving admins here every chance to just *make an argument*, even a bad one, but they're opting to respond with anything and everything else.

And care to address my beestation ban, which you brought up as the first one? I, as traitor, killed a sec officer and hid his corpse, and they banned me for "taking him out of the round." You really care about mirroring such a ban?

What are you exasperated at, exactly? Because I don't think it's me. I'm not what's bedeveling you or /tg/station. Here are the facts: I made a poop joke and it was my first infraction. It's time to get some perspective about this and I'm sorry that there just aren't easy ways to say this politely.

Post by **Scriptis** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:17 pm #778940

Paradise does not make its appeals process public.

Yes, I will mirror bans at my discretion. Your ban from Bee would also have carried on Manuel, which has similar rules about round-removal.

"It didn't happen" or "it wasn't that bad" isn't good enough for me. Appeal your existing bans from other communities successfully or get a vouch.

cgigc · Post by **cgigc** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:23 pm #778941

Ok, and I will ban evade at my discretion. Turnabout is fair play.

You seem like one angry dude so I'm sorry if this makes you even angrier, but you really need to get a grip.

I'll see you in anywhere between a few days and a few weeks. Treating SS13 like your private rules terrarium for punishment fetishes isn't good enough for me. You've got some growing up to do.

Post by **Scriptis** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:31 pm #778942

This is the same threat you made to paradise so I'll forward it to them for their amusement.

Please find it in your heart to like, touch grass, or something. By that, I mean go to a pub, get drunk, and talk to actual people (I am having a margarita right now in good company).

Cheers and uh, good luck with that.

cgigc · Post by **cgigc** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:34 pm #778944

I was drunk coming home last from a night out last night which is why I made a poop joke

But yeah I think you're cool man. Good to know you're arguing with people over space video game rules while out with your "friends." I'm impressed and think you're cool!

Anyway, see you soon, saddo. Try to get a grip in the meantime

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sun May 25, 2025 12:00 am #778949

For archival purposes, a forum ban was requested from the top of the admin pyramid and has now been placed against the OP as a result of their conduct in this appeal. To the OP, the day they threatened to evade was the most important day of their life. To us, it was Tuesday.

Additional reasoning was also as a general QC ban. Final additional reasoning was also mirroring bans placed by other communities.

But honestly, just pick whatever reason best fits your narrative and world view. To me, this is a quintessential example of how not to appeal a ban and how to instead end up with it being escalated in severity instead. So whenever you, the beautiful lady reading this post, come to appeal your first ban or note - please just do the opposite of this appeal and you'll be gucci.

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