BYOND account: Ronuro
Ban/note type (Server Ban/Discord Ban/Forum Ban/Note): Server Ban
Ban/note duration: 1 day
Ban/note reason: "[MRP] Broke into a sec checkpoint and stole the locker contents for no reason beyond wanting what was inside. After making a deal with the warden (who had no backing from the rest of sec) handed over some contraband in exchange for a disabler. After the rest of sec arrested them, proceeded to yell out "SHITSEC" and "BITCH" before being g ulagged and smashing up the labor camp before killing themselves. The roleplay servers have a higher expectation of roleplay."
Time ban was placed: 2025-03-28 02:55:20
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 250657
Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes):
(X) - The ban/note is factually incorrect
(X) - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
(X) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?: No rules were violated. The situation is such: I had been arrested by security and then the captain, who happened to be present, saw that I had "contraband" items and ordered me to be gulagged. However, prior to any of this occurring, the warden had approved me to have the items that I did, which were a disabler and a sec armor vest, and the rest of security was aware of this. A random secoff in the hall decided to arrest me just for seeing that I had these things despite that they should have reasonably known that I was approved to have them by the warden, and their justification for this was that "hos wanted to talk to you." and per my knowledge I did not have a warrant at the time. I do not believe that a head of staff wanting to speak to you permits arrest under space law. Similarly, when trying to explain to the captain the situation, these explanations were ignored and he sent me to gulag. I ahelp'd that I was being gulagged and arrested for having something that sec had literally told me was fine for me to have.
Instead of responding to the actual contents of the ticket, however, the admin took a personal grudge against me and the way that I play my character; and bans for me, as the note itself says, literally nothing that is against the rules whatsoever. He just doesn't like me, specifically. He went back and watched my actions from the WHOLE round and banned me on THOSE grounds, despite that not being directly relevant to the ticket that I made, and none of these actions were actually rule-breaking. Similarly, he ignored ALL evidence towards what I had actually created the ticket about, and instead seemed to latch on to everything that supported his negative perception of me, ignoring the entirety of the situation and what actually happened. Additionally, this ban only took place because I had the gall to complain about what I perceived to be an unfair arrest, and otheriwse never would have occurred. This admin is not interested in impartiality, and is extremely biased towards security in any event that involves them, despite THEIR violations or ignoring of space law.
[noxvs] Ronuro - banned for personal disagreeance
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NoxVS
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Re: [noxvs] Ronuro - banned for personal disagreeance
To start things off, I can find absolutely no logs for this round save for tickets because they exist in a format separate from logs. If any admins can find them please let me know.
Ticket logs involving you and me
The chain of events, as I understand them, are as follows:
You broke into the arrivals checkpoint and looted the sec locker
The warden, in an attempt to get security to ignore this crime for some reason, gave you a disabler in exchange for the encryption key you took. This was done without the backing of the rest of sec
The rest of security, obviously still taking issue with you breaking into a checkpoint for no reason and now having a disabler, ignore this and arrest you anyways
You proceed to call the officer arresting you "SHITSEC" and "BITCH". I believe you also threw in at least one "IT WAS OKAYED" but I can't find the server logs to check
The captain orders you to be gulagged
You then do some gulag vandalization before killing yourself without any attempt to carry out the sentence
Feel free to elaborate on this if I have any errors or missing context. These events seem pretty heavily connected, despite your claims that the checkpoint BnE is irrelevant.
In hindsight, I probably didn't even need to include the warden part of the note. It felt fairer because they did sort of do something to make sec want to arrest you more than before, but even before that they had plenty of reason to toss you in the gulag. You broke into the sec checkpoint, you got punished for it, you tried using admins to retaliate against a justified gulag. I don't really see any new information disputing the chain of events (Only claims that certain events are irrelevant) and I still feel like how you behaved wasn't acceptable. If you still have absolutely no idea why it was at all justified to gulag you then, once again, I genuinely have absolutely no idea what to tell you. Security can throw you into the gulag for breaking into the sec checkpoint and running around in stuff you took from it. This feels so fundamental that I can't grasp you not being able to understand this.
Ticket logs involving you and me
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A warden handing out contraband to you and allowing for you to have it only for another member of security to arrest and gulag you for having it, despite your attempts to explain the situation, would definitely be completely fine conduct on your end and questionable conduct on the officer's end. Unfortunately for you, that is not the situation that occurred.ronuro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 5:15 pm No rules were violated. The situation is such: I had been arrested by security and then the captain, who happened to be present, saw that I had "contraband" items and ordered me to be gulagged. However, prior to any of this occurring, the warden had approved me to have the items that I did, which were a disabler and a sec armor vest, and the rest of security was aware of this.
The chain of events, as I understand them, are as follows:
You broke into the arrivals checkpoint and looted the sec locker
The warden, in an attempt to get security to ignore this crime for some reason, gave you a disabler in exchange for the encryption key you took. This was done without the backing of the rest of sec
The rest of security, obviously still taking issue with you breaking into a checkpoint for no reason and now having a disabler, ignore this and arrest you anyways
You proceed to call the officer arresting you "SHITSEC" and "BITCH". I believe you also threw in at least one "IT WAS OKAYED" but I can't find the server logs to check
The captain orders you to be gulagged
You then do some gulag vandalization before killing yourself without any attempt to carry out the sentence
Feel free to elaborate on this if I have any errors or missing context. These events seem pretty heavily connected, despite your claims that the checkpoint BnE is irrelevant.
I looked into the situation and quickly determined that sec was fully justified in throwing you into the gulag for breaking into the sec checkpoint for no reason and being a general asshole upon being arrested.
What character? You break into the checkpoint, loot it, get arrested for it and immediately start spouting out BITCH and SHITSEC, and then upon being gulagged you provide yet another datapoint towards the theory involving the true purpose of the gulag by vandalizing the gulag before killing yourself, all while you ahelped to get sec in trouble. There is no character here.
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Rule 1. Don't be a dick.
Be excellent to each other. If you enjoy trying to ruin someone else’s good time, you won’t have a place here. Being a jerk in-character is fine to a point, but being a jerk out of character is not welcome.
Rule 3. This is a sandbox roleplaying server.
Your words and actions ingame should be distinguishable as an in-universe character, and not as a person playing a game.
Rule 7. If you regularly come close to breaking the rules without actually breaking them, it will be treated as the rules being broken.
Baiting people into situations where you can report them to admins will be dealt with harshly.
RP Rule 1. The roleplay servers have a higher expectation of roleplay.
The purpose of the roleplay servers is to provide a higher quality environment for roleplay. The roleplay rules are intended to promote more interactions between players so more roleplay moments can happen. They are not exhaustive, and admins have a very broad discretion to intervene where behaviours or actions could, if left ignored, contribute to a lower roleplay environment.I did not like how your conduct was impacting the server. That involves how you behaved prior to me showing up. The evidence you provided towards you having been unfairly treated by security was that you committed multiple crimes, worked with the warden (and only the warden, not the rest of sec) to swap one thing you stole (Not even everything) for something the rest of sec especially didn't want you to have, and were then arrested because you still had contraband - And even if you didn't anymore you broke into the sec checkpoint for no reason and they are fully justified in arresting you for that. You're probably right that the ban only took place because you drew attention to it. Had you not tried to get security in trouble with admins for dealing with you in a justified way you probably would have avoided everything but the IC consequences of being gulagged. Even without the ahelp I wasn't happy with how you dealt with the round, but I probably wouldn't have noticed.ronuro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 5:15 pm He just doesn't like me, specifically. He went back and watched my actions from the WHOLE round and banned me on THOSE grounds, despite that not being directly relevant to the ticket that I made, and none of these actions were actually rule-breaking. Similarly, he ignored ALL evidence towards what I had actually created the ticket about, and instead seemed to latch on to everything that supported his negative perception of me, ignoring the entirety of the situation and what actually happened. Additionally, this ban only took place because I had the gall to complain about what I perceived to be an unfair arrest, and otheriwse never would have occurred.
You are free to request a headmin review of this appeal, and they'll probably glance over this even if one isn't requested.
In hindsight, I probably didn't even need to include the warden part of the note. It felt fairer because they did sort of do something to make sec want to arrest you more than before, but even before that they had plenty of reason to toss you in the gulag. You broke into the sec checkpoint, you got punished for it, you tried using admins to retaliate against a justified gulag. I don't really see any new information disputing the chain of events (Only claims that certain events are irrelevant) and I still feel like how you behaved wasn't acceptable. If you still have absolutely no idea why it was at all justified to gulag you then, once again, I genuinely have absolutely no idea what to tell you. Security can throw you into the gulag for breaking into the sec checkpoint and running around in stuff you took from it. This feels so fundamental that I can't grasp you not being able to understand this.
The weak should fear the strong
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
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NoxVS
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Re: [noxvs] Ronuro - banned for personal disagreeance
I just realized the reason why I couldn't find them was because I was looking through Sybil's logs. I'll sort through them and grab what's relevant later today.
The weak should fear the strong
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
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ronuro
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Re: [noxvs] Ronuro - banned for personal disagreeance
Your response and interpretation to every event that actually DID occur is so colored by bias, and bereft of the smallest hint of due diligence or benefit of doubt, that I, similarly, find myself struggling to grasp how you are an administrator. You fundamentally misunderstand the situation despite having every piece of information you could need in order to gain such an understanding; and instead of attempting to do so, you grasp and hold tightly to every piece of what happened, cherry-picked out of the whole, to support your blanketly incorrect interpretation. Such would be rather easily proven by an impartial viewing of the round replay.NoxVS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 11:44 pm In hindsight, I probably didn't even need to include the warden part of the note. It felt fairer because they did sort of do something to make sec want to arrest you more than before, but even before that they had plenty of reason to toss you in the gulag. You broke into the sec checkpoint, you got punished for it, you tried using admins to retaliate against a justified gulag. I don't really see any new information disputing the chain of events (Only claims that certain events are irrelevant) and I still feel like how you behaved wasn't acceptable. If you still have absolutely no idea why it was at all justified to gulag you then, once again, I genuinely have absolutely no idea what to tell you. Security can throw you into the gulag for breaking into the sec checkpoint and running around in stuff you took from it. This feels so fundamental that I can't grasp you not being able to understand this.
Your understanding of the significance of what happened is separated from reality. A viewing of the round replay versus what you claim here will reveal this. My having broken into the security arrivals office is entirely irrelevant to the events that I ahelp'd for; seeing as I was never actually charged with breaking and entering, nor was security themselves aware that I had done so, and was never arrested for having done so. Your listing of the chain of events is also entirely missing information. Following my theft of sec-gear from the aforementioned location, I was legitimately arrested for HAVING the sec-gear at all. You will find that the warden didn't care that I had it and let me go, nor did I ahelp for anything directly related to this. They did, however, neglect to remove my securtiy radio channel encryption key that I had in my medical headsetNoxVS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 11:44 pm A warden handing out contraband to you and allowing for you to have it only for another member of security to arrest and gulag you for having it, despite your attempts to explain the situation, would definitely be completely fine conduct on your end and questionable conduct on the officer's end. Unfortunately for you, that is not the situation that occurred.
The chain of events, as I understand them, are as follows:
You broke into the arrivals checkpoint and looted the sec locker
The warden, in an attempt to get security to ignore this crime for some reason, gave you a disabler in exchange for the encryption key you took. This was done without the backing of the rest of sec
The rest of security, obviously still taking issue with you breaking into a checkpoint for no reason and now having a disabler, ignore this and arrest you anyways
You proceed to call the officer arresting you "SHITSEC" and "BITCH". I believe you also threw in at least one "IT WAS OKAYED" but I can't find the server logs to check
The captain orders you to be gulagged
You then do some gulag vandalization before killing yourself without any attempt to carry out the sentence
Feel free to elaborate on this if I have any errors or missing context. These events seem pretty heavily connected, despite your claims that the checkpoint BnE is irrelevant.
The warden contacted me to make a deal such that I would return the encryption key in exchange for a disabler, to which I agreed, and to which the entirety of sec was made aware that I was not wanted as well as the reasons for which I was not wanted. Some time later in the round, another secoff arrested me on the basis that "the hos wanted to talk to me." I was then taken to the security office, searched for "contraband," when the captain said to gulag me for having it despite my attempts to explain that I was told that I could have it. THIS is when, and why, I ahelp'd, since the captain refused to allow any opportunity to explain myself.
So you admit your determination was rushed, and that your interpretation of events is incorrect? I was never arrested for or even suspected of breaking in somewhere, and again, I did not ahelp for anything relating to this, hence its further irrelevance.
You seem to be unaware that people become angered when something happens to them they perceive as unfair. You're a sec main, aren't you? Explains why you always go out of your way to side with them.NoxVS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 11:44 pm What character? You break into the checkpoint, loot it, get arrested for it and immediately start spouting out BITCH and SHITSEC, and then upon being gulagged you provide yet another datapoint towards the theory involving the true purpose of the gulag by vandalizing the gulag before killing yourself, all while you ahelped to get sec in trouble. There is no character here.
You will find that, again, none of the rules you cited were broken. Your wording of the events versus how the events actually occurred are entirely disconnected, and further reinforce my claims that you are, in fact, heavily biased and not impartial whatsoever. You also say that you did not like how my conduct was impacting the server. What conduct was that, exactly? What impact did it have, exactly? Can you point to a significant negative effect to the entire round that occurred because of my actions? No, I don't think that you can.NoxVS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 11:44 pm Rule 1. Don't be a dick.
Be excellent to each other. If you enjoy trying to ruin someone else’s good time, you won’t have a place here. Being a jerk in-character is fine to a point, but being a jerk out of character is not welcome.
Rule 3. This is a sandbox roleplaying server.
Your words and actions ingame should be distinguishable as an in-universe character, and not as a person playing a game.
Rule 7. If you regularly come close to breaking the rules without actually breaking them, it will be treated as the rules being broken.
Baiting people into situations where you can report them to admins will be dealt with harshly.
RP Rule 1. The roleplay servers have a higher expectation of roleplay.
The purpose of the roleplay servers is to provide a higher quality environment for roleplay. The roleplay rules are intended to promote more interactions between players so more roleplay moments can happen. They are not exhaustive, and admins have a very broad discretion to intervene where behaviours or actions could, if left ignored, contribute to a lower roleplay environment.
ronuro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 1:15 pm
He just doesn't like me, specifically. He went back and watched my actions from the WHOLE round and banned me on THOSE grounds, despite that not being directly relevant to the ticket that I made, and none of these actions were actually rule-breaking. Similarly, he ignored ALL evidence towards what I had actually created the ticket about, and instead seemed to latch on to everything that supported his negative perception of me, ignoring the entirety of the situation and what actually happened. Additionally, this ban only took place because I had the gall to complain about what I perceived to be an unfair arrest, and otheriwse never would have occurred.
I did not like how your conduct was impacting the server. That involves how you behaved prior to me showing up. The evidence you provided towards you having been unfairly treated by security was that you committed multiple crimes, worked with the warden (and only the warden, not the rest of sec) to swap one thing you stole (Not even everything) for something the rest of sec especially didn't want you to have, and were then arrested because you still had contraband - And even if you didn't anymore you broke into the sec checkpoint for no reason and they are fully justified in arresting you for that. You're probably right that the ban only took place because you drew attention to it. Had you not tried to get security in trouble with admins for dealing with you in a justified way you probably would have avoided everything but the IC consequences of being gulagged. Even without the ahelp I wasn't happy with how you dealt with the round, but I probably wouldn't have noticed.
You demonstrate an unwillingness to accept explanations for anything OTHER than your preconceived (and incorrect) notion of how the events occurred regardless of any attempts to correct your view of them, for you have already made up your mind and staunchly refuse anything unsupportive of your conclusion. You are, clearly, going quite out of your way to look for excuses to wield that banhammer of yours even when the evidence you find is not supportive of it.
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NoxVS
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Re: [noxvs] Ronuro - banned for personal disagreeance
Initial cargo checkpoint break in (Attack)
Security initially apprehends you (Attack + Game)
Second arrivals checkpoint break in. Didn't even realize there were two different checkpoints robbed until now (Attack)
PDA logs with deal with the Warden (PDA)
Security apprehends you for the final time (Attack + Game)
Gulag logs
Honestly, now that I have the time to look back and reflect on the logs, I can safely say that I misjudged the initial situation. What actually happened was a lot worse with what appears to be pretty blatant powergaming in running around with a disabler SMG and armor as a paramedic with seemingly no relevant threats, constant attempts to cause problems only to immediately act like an ass when sec tried dealing with you for it, and ahelping that you were being gulagged when the warden had given you an out in the form of a 25 point gulag sentence you could have probably served in <1 minute instead of smashing the place and killing yourself.
My mind still isn't changed and it doesn't look like there's much hope of reaching an understanding, so I'm considering this appeal denied. The original ban has expired by now but you can still request a headmin review for the note to be removed.
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My mind still isn't changed and it doesn't look like there's much hope of reaching an understanding, so I'm considering this appeal denied. The original ban has expired by now but you can still request a headmin review for the note to be removed.
The weak should fear the strong
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
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Timberpoes
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Re: [noxvs] Ronuro - banned for personal disagreeance
Now, whenever a player ahelps and ends up banned it always raises eyebrows. But do not cry foul by screaming admin bias or admins grudging you unless you can provide receipts. We take our admin conduct very seriously, but short of you bleating like a moron there's absolutely nothing here to support any of your assertions of bias or grudging. We also take false or baseless claims of grudging or bias very seriously. You're not in school anymore, kid. The tactic of crying bias against you is not a magical IWIN button here and can result in your ability to appeal bans and notes being revoked entirely.Hibbles wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:02 pm 10. This forum is for ban appeals made in good faith only. Major actions of bad faith in your ban appeal will be punished. Your ability to appeal bans can be revoked, leaving you fucked if you are perma banned. Lying, forging supporting evidence, or making baseless claims against the administration will not end well for you.
In at least one English-language version of the fable of The Boy That Cried Wolf, the wolf also eats the boy as well as the sheep. The player should consider themselves lucky I'm not invoking the latter part of this rule in light of that.
In this specific case - having reviewed the logs for the shift independant of Nox - you were a dumbass to ahelp sec handling you ICly while you were seemingly playing like an NRP loot goblin on the higher-than-NRP server. Individually, I feel your play was not up to the minimum standards suitable for the roleplay servers and that the note and ban was fine. Whatever rule it falls under - Server Rule 1, RPR Rule 1 or just our admin team's broad discretion to uphold the spirit of what the roleplay server is intended for and handling edge cases in the fuzzy greyness between the rules - I have no issue with the ban or the wording of the ban referencing roleplay standards on the MRP server.
I pinged the other headmins on this basis and got the required +1 votes in support of rejecting this appeal and upholding the ban and note. This is a classic:
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Timberpoes: Reject appeal, uphold ban.
DrAmazing: +1 above
Omega: +1 above
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