Pet Peeves Thread - Little things that REALLY annoy you

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:59 pm #82373

Bottom post of the previous page:

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:
Steelpoint wrote:You would think the AI would be smart enough to assume that there is a good reason why someone is incarcerated.

Well whatever, release prisoners from Security at your own peril. Just don't lodge a ban request when you get a Ion Rifle shoved up your digital ass.
"A good reason" can sadly go to hell - They could be in there for stealing the entire contents of the bar and spaciing them, then incinerating every pet and welding down random walls and building windows in the corridors. If they haven't hurt anyone and you're too lazy to literally say ":s AI, do not release any prisoners unless their timer is done" at some point, the AI has no choice but to let them go.

Co-operate with your AI and never have to make stupid outlandish threats ever again.

Its one of the many implied OOC restrictions on Asimov, like not allowing AIs to shut down toxins and genetics and robotics at round start.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:46 am #82449

Space dust can piss me off royally.
Especially if it hits a solar. They're worse to repair than walls.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

'Implied OOC restrictions' don't exist, and certainly don't let you break the server rules on not beating silicons to death for following law 2 orders.
Here's the relevant selections of The Rules governing silicons and prisoners.

Releasing prisoners, locking down security without likely future harm, or otherwise sabotaging the security team when not obligated to by laws is a violation of Server Rule 1. Act in good faith.

Intentionally acting without adequate information about security situations, particularly to hinder security, is a violation of Server Rule 1.

Nonviolent prisoners cannot be assumed harmful and violent prisoners cannot be assumed nonharmful. If you do not know the nature of their crime, see 1.3.2.1 for details.

Releasing a harmful criminal is a harmful act.

Or in other words, if the AI is asimov and you can't be arsed to tell it to not tell the greyshits free, it's mandated to let them go.

Oh, and bolting toxin's ois specifically denied. Don't even compare it

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:01 pm #82471

Go read the policy thread that wrote that doc you dweeb.
It was discussed and agreed that the AI shouldn't be releasing prisoners.

I personally make it a habit to execute any perma prisoner that the AI does let go, just so I can rub the fact the AI took an action that lead to harm in the AI's face.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

Gee, I guess I should ignore the rules because you're lazy and want to get your validboner on. The AI, under official stated /tg/station rules and it's own laws, is unable to do anything but release nonharmful prisoners from the brig if you don't bother to tell it not to.

At least theoretically. In practice when this comes up, I just do the "Opening door X for assistant Y in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... routine, because it leads to less shitflinging from sec.

Bear in mind this discussion was started by Steelpoint declaring that any AI who did not break TG rules and it's own laws to acquiesce to his desires was rogue and he would murder them.

Post by **PKPenguin321** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:26 am #82607

This thread is necro as fuck but I'm glad to see it back
Anyways, to be on topic:

When you have an IC interaction with another character, and then the next round they instantly PDA message you or something and try to metabuddy with you. Especially bad when they hang around you without consent. I hate it. It ruins muh immersions, looks really metagamey to admins, IS pretty metagamey, makes me totally paranoid of them since their character could essentially be an entirely different person since the last round, and makes me feel like a douche if I don't help them out since they trusted me. Special exception is if you're helping out a really new player with learning the ropes.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:05 pm #82619

When you're a clearly subdued and harmless antag, but people go out of their way to harm you. I've had it as a cuffed, straightjacketed, and muzzled wizard, where a chemist broke into the bridge they were holding me in just to polyacid me to death. I've also had it as a nuke op where three people chased and tried to flash a borg all around the station just so they could kill me, when I was clearly cuffed and subdued, and the shuttle was almost docked.

I guess I hadn't quite seen validhunting from that perspective before, but I'll try to be less dickish about it now because good grief, what was the point? Why? I don't have a problem with executions though, that's fair enough.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:41 pm #82622

The point is people getting their kill counts.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:39 pm #83017

People that grief you or do obvious antag things, or both, then admin help when you kill them for it

Konork · Post by **Konork** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:58 am #83047

People critting others as a method of "non-lethally" subduing targets/threats/shitlers/whatever. The fact that there aren't really any other ways to do so that are commonly available doesn't really help much.

Babin · Post by **Babin** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:14 pm #83119

People who kill monkies for no reason because they can. Killing a confirmed ling is one thing. Killing a player-monkey that isn't a ling is another.
*antag geneticist sticks doctor with monkey injector
*non-antag assistant witnesses this happen
*assistant attacks monkey
The assistant should not be allowed to do this. AI has a technical pass for this but I'm also iffy about that, especially if a Borg unilaterally kills a known-formerly-human monkey when it doesn't have a law-related reason to. Remember that there is a player behind that monkey.
Also screaming LING at the first sight of a playermonkey is meta of the worst sort.

Rhisereld · Post by **Rhisereld** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:46 am #92076

People who just straight-up break into your department without asking for what they want when you're standing RIGHT THERE waiting to help them.

TheNightingale · Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:54 am

There's a special place in hell reserved for people who try and disarm you when you uncuff them in their cell.

And when you're fixing a breach, everyone is suddenly "Oh! What happened? Can I come and stand by the space tiles? No? How about in the doorway so I depressurise the adjacent room too?".

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:01 am #92088

It is for this reason that I propose giving all engineers a stun arm.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:01 am #92089

I hate people who try to forcefeed you or inject you without saying a word

especially if they then get pissed off when you run away because they were "trying to help you"

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:04 am #92091

People who kill simple animals for no reason. See a corgi? Kill. Crab? Kill. Player-controlled slime that clearly isn't hurting anyone? Kill. Hivelord who drags you to medbay and makes sure you get healed? Kill.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:13 am #92094

B-but muh valids!
(Another reason we need valids back for pet-killers. Also, Rule 1 those fuckers.)

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:26 pm #92126

People who treat the AI as their personal doorman to every department on the station and start crying about it being rogue when it won't let them into the armouy or toxins.

Worse is when the captain one-humans it or someone on the Command staff fills it with a bunch of trash laws.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:37 pm #92128

Xenobiologists who beat up the monkeys for no reason. You're just fucking bloodying the place and making security beat down your door you fucks.

EndgamerAzari · Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:40 pm

Asshole assistants who scream for access, attack a station head, steal their access, and then break into the armory just because.

Rollo Kinsman, you a shit.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:39 pm #92141

EndgamerAzari wrote:Asshole assistants

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

Ricotez wrote:
EndgamerAzari wrote:Assistants

Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:03 pm

Losing connection to the server and being unable to reconnect during an antag round.
Bonus points if you are finally able to reconnect but the shuttle's already two seconds away from arriving.
Bonus points if it's a team antag.
Bonus points if you were a few steps away from the shuttle.
All of these have happened to me at least once.

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:56 am #92211

People who don't know their nautical directions.

"Aft Starboard solars? Where are those again?"

Granted, I'm a sailor.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:52 am #92330

I am not a sailor and it took me only a few weeks to learn the nautical directions from SS13

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:30 pm #92336

Assistants will always be a pet peeve of mine. I know they're necessary for new players but god can they shit things up if they're assholes. It's like grey jumpsuits connect you to the shitler hivemind

TheNightingale · Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:10 pm

Anonmare wrote:Assistants will always be a pet peeve of mine. I know they're necessary for new players but god can they shit things up if they're assholes. It's like grey jumpsuits connect you to the shitler hivemind

They do. When you join as Assistant and are wearing a grey jumpsuit, a gas mask and either budget insulated gloves or boxing gloves, you're connected to a special radio channel, :a. It's how they coordinate their roundstart assault on the spare ID.
Either that or Skype.

capi duffman · Post by **capi duffman** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:52 pm #92359

People breaking in my kitchen, I go ballistic REALLY fast when that happens. If you need NOW something to eat, ask and receive, but do not enter, grab the first thing you see, especially if it's a rare treat, or you see it on the table, and then eat it raw or mess my recipes.
The worst it, it's bound to happen more often when you latejoin just to see the kitchen in a really awful state with nothing to cook, you make effort into getting everything back in order... and then some engineer walks in, grabs half of the meat (that you needed to make that meatbread) and goes away.

And let's not get started with shitters who get their kicks from messing your round just because.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:05 pm #92372

Ricotez wrote:I am not a sailor and it took me only a few weeks to learn the nautical directions from SS13

Always remember that the term starboard comes from the norse word 'steerboard', which means the hand you steer the rudder with - your right.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:40 pm #92383

I thought it was from the Dutch word "stuurboord"? We also have "bakboord" for port side.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:24 pm #92393

Malkevin wrote:
Ricotez wrote:I am not a sailor and it took me only a few weeks to learn the nautical directions from SS13
Always remember that the term starboard comes from the norse word 'steerboard', which means the hand you steer the rudder with - your right.

I remember it as the sun is a star, and it rises in the east, hence the starboard is on the east

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:50 pm #92405

Consider that a port is where a ship docks. The port side is where the majority of the shuttles dock (admin, ERP, arrivals).

Now all you have to do is get aft and fore straight, which better not be that hard.

EndgamerAzari · Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:44 pm

Shaps wrote:I remember it as the sun is a star, and it rises in the east, hence the starboard is on the east

Well shit, that's clever. I'm adding that to my mental mnemonics registry.

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:17 pm #92486

Port has the same number of letters as left so they're the same.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:19 pm #92487

Anonmare wrote:Assistants will always be a pet peeve of mine. I know they're necessary for new players but god can they shit things up if they're assholes. It's like grey jumpsuits connect you to the shitler hivemind

Did rainbowtide get reverted when I wasn't looking?

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:10 am #92494

Rainbowtide has been gone for a long ass time dude

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:53 am #92502

The ship has left port.

Easy

Post by **PKPenguin321** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:58 am #92527

invisty wrote:People who don't know their nautical directions.

"Aft Starboard solars? Where are those again?"

Granted, I'm a sailor.

People who refuse to use North, East, South, and West.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:39 am #92565

That bug when your screen freezes and you're forced to reconnect, enduring the terrible BYOND ads and hoping you won't return to find yourself dying
"Greyshirt"
People who can't handle being randomly tabled and either have to beat the shit out of you or steal from you, instead of just sticking to tabling and maybe disposalling
Security who follow space law to the letter instead of valuing the player's time and giving reasonable sentences based on how many people were put out by the crime
Clowns who feel entitled to all-access
When admins start off with a greeting and ask you if you have time to talk to them (like I have a choice) when you just want to know why they're messaging you
People who can't admit they were wrong, even in OOC after the round, even when they beat you
Security who try to arrest you for shooting people who won't leave your line with disablers as HoP
Synthetics who selectively follow their laws
The gradual influx of OOC in IC over this past month or so. I don't mind memes or acronyms, because it's possible to use those verbally, but talking about the game from an OOC perspective is pretty annoying.

Post by **PKPenguin321** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:12 am #92571

Amnestik wrote:The gradual influx of OOC in IC over this past month or so. I don't mind memes or acronyms, because it's possible to use those verbally, but talking about the game from an OOC perspective is pretty annoying.

Unfortunately, summer is coming, and with it there will likely be a lot of new worthless fucking greyshirts players who need a little bit of ooc in ic so they know how to play.

mosquitoman · Post by **mosquitoman** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:29 am #92576

Amnestik wrote: People who can't handle being randomly tabled and either have to beat the shit out of you or steal from you, instead of just sticking to tabling and maybe disposalling

if you're randomly tabling people you deserve to be shot with 50u of morphine and left in a locker in maintenance for the rest of the round

Not-Dorsidarf · Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:38 am

mosquitoman wrote:
Amnestik wrote: People who can't handle being randomly tabled and either have to beat the shit out of you or steal from you, instead of just sticking to tabling and maybe disposalling
if you're randomly tabling people you deserve to be shot with 50u of morphine and left in a locker in maintenance for the rest of the round

Don't be so lenient, they deserve at least a hundred u

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:31 am #92605

mosquitoman wrote:
Amnestik wrote: People who can't handle being randomly tabled and either have to beat the shit out of you or steal from you, instead of just sticking to tabling and maybe disposalling
if you're randomly tabling people you deserve to be shot with 50u of morphine and left in a locker in maintenance for the rest of the round

Do people really get this upset about being put on a table? It consumes like five seconds of your time, and you can always do it back to them.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:49 am #92609

It's annoying AF, is what it is.

It also leaves you vulnerable AF, especially to chaintabling and further shittery.

TheNightingale · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:10 am

PKPenguin321 wrote:
invisty wrote:People who don't know their nautical directions.

"Aft Starboard solars? Where are those again?"

Granted, I'm a sailor.
People who refuse to use North, East, South, and West.

People who say up, down, left and right. "Go up from the Bridge to reach Sec", for example... where do I go? Into the ceiling?

mosquitoman · Post by **mosquitoman** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:16 am #92624

Amnestik wrote:
mosquitoman wrote:
Amnestik wrote: People who can't handle being randomly tabled and either have to beat the shit out of you or steal from you, instead of just sticking to tabling and maybe disposalling
if you're randomly tabling people you deserve to be shot with 50u of morphine and left in a locker in maintenance for the rest of the round
Do people really get this upset about being put on a table? It consumes like five seconds of your time, and you can always do it back to them.

how do I know you won't try to steal my shit immediately afterwards and run away? or keep tabling me because lel so randum? whenever somebody is being shit to me for because they find it randumb XD funny, i always retaliate in even shittier ways, like injecting them with a lot of sedatives or stabbing them in the eyes repeatedly, or flushing their id/pda down disposals etc. if you're making it clear you don't want to be a productive and friendly player, don't expect me to be nice to you either

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:37 am #92634

mosquitoman wrote:
Amnestik wrote:
mosquitoman wrote:
Amnestik wrote: People who can't handle being randomly tabled and either have to beat the shit out of you or steal from you, instead of just sticking to tabling and maybe disposalling
if you're randomly tabling people you deserve to be shot with 50u of morphine and left in a locker in maintenance for the rest of the round
Do people really get this upset about being put on a table? It consumes like five seconds of your time, and you can always do it back to them.
how do I know you won't try to steal my shit immediately afterwards and run away? or keep tabling me because lel so randum? whenever somebody is being shit to me for because they find it randumb XD funny, i always retaliate in even shittier ways, like injecting them with a lot of sedatives or stabbing them in the eyes repeatedly, or flushing their id/pda down disposals etc. if you're making it clear you don't want to be a productive and friendly player, don't expect me to be nice to you either

There's no malicious intention behind it, it's just a bit of fun. But sure, take it as a threat, I can't stop you.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:38 am #92635

"lol i hate it when people are shit to me when im shit to them"

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:43 am #92637

Miauw wrote:"lol i hate it when people are shit to me when im shit to them"

People get really upset when they get tabled, it seems. I personally find it pretty fun, provided they aren't trying to steal your shit.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:28 pm #92648

We need a config option that makes it immediately obvious on examine whether or not you like getting randomly fucked with, apparently.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:18 pm #92673

PKPenguin321 wrote:Unfortunately, summer is coming, and with it there will likely be a lot of new worthless fucking greyshirts players who need a little bit of ooc in ic so they know how to play.

I had to learn without OOC because I took no IC in OOC quite literally. I spent about 2-3 weeks no knowing how to take my backpack off or how to eat