LET THE CONFIG SAY FUCK (MANUEL)

[TheBibleMelts]

PLAYER CAP 60

OBSERVER CAP 100

ASSISTANT CAP 10

PRISONER CAP 5

DO IT

[dragomagol]

+1 however i'm scared that the lizard has rabies

[MooCow12]

You shouldn't throw a wrench in one of the only 2 servers that's alive.

[NecromancerAnne]

The pop hitting above 60 has been very stressful to handle and has made actually playing on the server pretty rough. I'm okay with having trouble joining a round if that means the quality of said round improves (though that probably means I just admin instead).

[Jacquerel]

I know that previous administrations attested that pop cap 60 server cap 70 produced good results and raising the observer cap to 80 made it worse despite not increasing the active player count purely because it psychologically induced more pop chasing or something like that

[Timberpoes]

Ya. Let's stop fucking around with what worked before and just do what worked before, puh-fucking-lease.

No dipshit job cap nonsense. No fanciful and exotic ways to fuck up the very simple concept of deciding how many is enough.

Just 60/70 for Christ's sake and then we can stop hearing about it.

[britgrenadier1]

No to the job cap yes to the pop cap.

[orchidfox]

popcap is a bad idea without an actual place for overflow to go that isn't an lrp server nobody wants to play on

[TheLoLSwat]

Good idea and we can finally start seeing some overflow onto GLORIOUS & GOATED sybil with a 55-60 popcap

Assistant job cap isn’t the best idea but as long as it’s more than 10 I believe it’s manageable

[Scriptis]

make sybil mrp overflow

[RaveRadbury]

Observer cap 100 won't go well.

60/70

[TheBibleMelts]

reason I'd like a higher observer cap is to have access to more ghosts for events and other roles. extra crew can also be brought in via recovered crew members.

[TheRex9001]

As of right now we have placed a 60(70) popcap on Manuel.

[TheRex9001]

For transparency I've reopened the thread for feedback on the popcap

[RedBaronFlyer]

oh cool I look forward to not being able to play because of sybil popchasers

I will say it might just work, so I'll be somewhat optimistic.

[bastardblaster]

the whole reason why pops been hitting above 60 in the first place is people from monke that are just pop chasing + their server is getting ddosed, so if you cap manuel, then manuellites wont be able to play on manuel because its full, and Monke players dont know Sybil exists to go to it, so the monke players will all either just fill the server or go to another server with a higher popcap, accomplishing neither goal. plus wasnt the whole reason we had a popcap was to combat TDL which no longer exists, not Managing the Round

[Jacquerel]

plus wasnt the whole reason we had a popcap was to combat TDL which no longer exists, not Managing the Round

no the popcap was to maintain RP standards, as admin experience suggests that player interactions degrade when there are over a certain number of people online, which hasn't changed as a concern since it was first introduced

DDoS'es on Monke are ephemeral but "people get really weird when there's 80 of them packed in like sardines" is not going to stop being true

[TheRex9001]

the whole reason why pops been hitting above 60 in the first place is people from monke that are just pop chasing + their server is getting ddosed, so if you cap manuel, then manuellites wont be able to play on manuel because its full, and Monke players dont know Sybil exists to go to it, so the monke players will all either just fill the server or go to another server with a higher popcap, accomplishing neither goal. plus wasnt the whole reason we had a popcap was to combat TDL which no longer exists, not Managing the Round

When the cap is reached the connection message gives a link to Sybil suggesting you go there. As I said in a different policy thread we were keeping an eye open for if Manuel would need capping, and I think the pop recently (even if it’s partially ddos) is at that point.

[Jamarkus]

oh cool I look forward to not being able to play because of sybil popchasers

I will say it might just work, so I'll be somewhat optimistic.

ill play on sybil and you will play on sybil with me and we will RP on sybil and then leave after sybil players go out of their way to come back to stop the MRP and the cycle is complete.

OKTHANKUHAHABYE!!!

[RaveRadbury]

popchasers

What level of pop warrants chasing? Is it a hard number or is it just whatever's biggest on the homepage at a given time?

[RedBaronFlyer]

popchasers

What level of pop warrants chasing? Is it a hard number or is it just whatever's biggest on the homepage at a given time?

what is high pop?

what is mid pop?

what is low pop?

what is high RP?

what is medium RP?

what is low RP?

FOR A BOWL IS MOST USEFUL WHEN IT IS EMPTY

my balls itch

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[TheFinalPotato]

popcap is a bad idea without an actual place for overflow to go that isn't an lrp server nobody wants to play on

I want to play on sybil

[Metek]

You shouldn't throw a wrench in one of the only 2 servers that's alive.

I'm personally a believer in equal amounts of carrot, stick, and fence for encouraging behavior. I find the administration and development perspectives to lean much too heavily into stick and fence for guiding behavior. It makes changes that ostensibly aim to promote server and community health often feel punitive instead.

I'm one of the people who will just go do some other hobby or chore instead of play on the LRP servers most of the time. Getting roundstart necksnapped by a changeling chef and being told to suck it up in the adminhelp permanently soured me on the LRP rules.

[RaveRadbury]

popchasers

What level of pop warrants chasing? Is it a hard number or is it just whatever's biggest on the homepage at a given time?

what is high pop?

what is mid pop?

what is low pop?

what is high RP?

what is medium RP?

what is low RP?

FOR A BOWL IS MOST USEFUL WHEN IT IS EMPTY

my balls itch

I was sincerely asking for your opinion.

[bingusdingus]

XRP(Xemo RP)
The rules are whatever TBM says.

Also popchasing is a cope. Nobody likes playing on a server with less people when they have the option to play on a server with more. It's something that literally everyone does with every online game ever when you have access to a server browser.

Have you ever booted up TF2 and gone "Ahhh yes, a 8/24 server, exactly what I wanted."

[TheBibleMelts]

XRP(Xemo RP)
The rules are whatever TBM says.

lets do it, give me basil

[RedBaronFlyer]

I was sincerely asking for your opinion.

Admittedly it's whatever. Bingus put it best, really. Someone who would play Sybil if Sybil had 60 players or whatever is obviously going to play on Manuel for a similar-ish experience as opposed to playing on Sybil with 5 people. sub 25-30 pop ss13 kinda sucks because nothing is really built for it at this point. It's similar to how SS13 starts breaking down after 80-ish people because medbay isn't big enough, miners can't mine enough materials, and security can't keep the crew + antags + 20-30 assistants all in line. It's like playing a TF2 match with 6 people on it instead of the same-ish server running the same maps but it has 23/31 players on it.

I'ma be real I was mostly complaining to complain, sorry.

[RaveRadbury]

Admittedly it's whatever. Bingus put it best, really. Someone who would play Sybil if Sybil had 60 players or whatever is obviously going to play on Manuel for a similar-ish experience as opposed to playing on Sybil with 5 people. sub 25-30 pop ss13 kinda sucks because nothing is really built for it at this point. It's similar to how SS13 starts breaking down after 80-ish people because medbay isn't big enough, miners can't mine enough materials, and security can't keep the crew + antags + 20-30 assistants all in line. It's like playing a TF2 match with 6 people on it instead of the same-ish server running the same maps but it has 23/31 players on it.

I'ma be real I was mostly complaining to complain, sorry.

Yeah, nw. When I saw my words in the quote I was like "dang, i was vague"

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think that pop below 25-30 is a decent boundary to consider especially if coordinated seeding is ever to be considered again. In all the time I've seen it come up I don't think I've seen that practicality factored in.

You've also got 80 as an upper limit, is that a general trend or MRP specifically? I've also seen issues with medbay at highpop, a lot of stepping on toes with equipment and thinking the other person is being intentional about it. There are a handful of resource bottlenecks I wonder how much discussion's been had about them as a category. Might be interesting to map out.

I've heard arguments against lowpop maps for a while and it makes me wonder if someone made a lowpop map with the intention of it being lowpop and intentionally kept it simple so that it would be easy to maintain and update, would that be merged? For someone specifically to say "this is meant for under 30 but can be built out on if pop rises".

Also popchasing is a cope. Nobody likes playing on a server with less people when they have the option to play on a server with more. It's something that literally everyone does with every online game ever when you have access to a server browser.

Have you ever booted up TF2 and gone "Ahhh yes, a 8/24 server, exactly what I wanted."

Yes, and we have a couple examples of it in /tg/station history. We've had multiple low-pop servers that build their own communities. Also back when it was just Bagil, Sybil, and Terry there would always be a smaller pop on one of the two US LRP servers. Some people prefer smaller pop because it actually does filter out people who make decisions based off of population. You cannot assert that "everyone chooses pop", its evidently false.

[bingusdingus]

Yes, and we have a couple examples of it in /tg/station history. We've had multiple low-pop servers that build their own communities. Also back when it was just Bagil, Sybil, and Terry there would always be a smaller pop on one of the two US LRP servers. Some people prefer smaller pop because it actually does filter out people who make decisions based off of population. You cannot assert that "everyone chooses pop", its evidently false.

This is what you sound like
"Acktchually *pushes up glases* those 4 people on Sybil LIKE it. So you good sir, are in fact a-wrong."

MOST people prefer pop. Is that better your pedanticness? or do you just reply to people because the little red number by the bell makes the happy hormones go brr and you just say whatever inane contrarian bullshit that you can think of in a way to make yourself look much smarter than you actually are and insert yourself into the conversation. Just because my use of the word "literally" was not accurate, doesn't make my assessment any less true and you fucking know it. Your reply doesn't contribute anything other than to split hairs in a way to tell me I'm wrong. Don't post if you can't manage any thought other than the opposite of what other people are posting.

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[RaveRadbury]

words

The whole point is that some people will do lowpop and some people will chase and there's a balance somewhere, like a cap, that could de-incentivize chasing. I know you've got like a whole angry burnout arc going but really man, you came into a conversation wrong and now you're mad that you have to articulate, in policy discussion. (EDIT: to clarify, the following sentences are 100% sincere) Are you having fun? I hope so.

[dendydoom]

what if we had a highpop version of meta with like giga resources then on one day a week like a friday or saturday we had a capless evening where we all agree that yeah things will be more hectic but it's only for a single evening so we can enjoy having a fatass crew without getting angry because it's not the norm sometimes having that many people is fun and some events can encourage great rp while being better the more people you have available to fill roles. what's annoying about 90 crew rounds is that it has swept away the sweet spot even if there are fun things about it because it has become the daily norm in the evening. this way we could have our cake and eat it too......... delicious...
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