[iansdoor] Thranos - Bizarre, accusatory gaslighting in ahelp response

[Thranos]

When and where this incident occurred (Game Server, forums, Discord): Manuel
BYOND account and character name OR Discord name: Thranos, playing as Syndicate Operative (Clown)
Admin: Iansdoor
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 252393
Detailed summary:

During the previous round, I noticed two players doing what I assumed was antaggery. A botanist (Dane McDonohugh) was growing bluespace tomatoes and deathnettle, and tossing the tomatoes at people in the hall. He was later raided by sec, which I became involved in, ending with me teleported into the freezer with him and beating him to death with a rolling pin. He was revived in medical and sec (which was pretty overwhelmed) carted him off to go break rocks for a while. He later came back, barricaded himself into botany, and started doing the same exact thing. This was the total sum of my interaction with them. The last I saw of them was them burning to death in their own botany fortress due to the Malf AI setting it ablaze, which I commented on ICly as I watched them burn alive on a pyre fueled by their own murder plants- And screenshotted to share post-round in the Manuelcord.

The other person was a Geneticist (Monty Elliot) who had been running around with hulk since rather early on. I paid them 1000 credits to "beat up but not kill the CE" due to some IC beef the CE and I had developed that round. They did so, the CE kicked my ass a little, so on and so forth, nothing that escalated to murder. That was the last direct interaction I had with them, but several times over comms or firsthand in the halls, I saw them smashing into places and fighting sec to the death. The last I saw of them was Jeff Gaiman, a security officer, field executing them during their final hulk rampage in escape as the shuttle docked.

At round end, I saw that neither were antags of any form, and decided to ahelp the next round rather than delay roundend.
What followed is possibly the most instantly hostile and generally confusing ticket I've ever been in, in which I am repeatedly accused of things unrelated to the ticket, which I didn't do, or both, all while what I initially ahelped is completely ignored and the ticket is eventually closed without addressing the issue it was created over, with a parting shot of the same accusation that had been made throughout.

From Ticket #1 during round 252393 on manuel:

---- Log Begins ----
2025-05-20 02:47:44: Ticket Opened by thranos: Last round, Dane McDonohugh the Botanist was making a ton of maxpot deathnettles and bluespace tomatoes, the latter of which he was tossing at people in the halls for some reason. I assumed he was an antag, but roundend says otherwise. Also, Monty Elliot the Geneticist kept hulking out and attacking sec + smashing through walls and such, again nonantag, and again assumed they were an antag until I saw roundend report.
2025-05-20 02:54:19: Reply from iansdoor: aye aye aye, I didn't appreciate ya breaking down the things I was looking at when you were doing getting your valid upon them. There is an issue of Ahelping and then resolving them also in IC. Don't do both and pick one.
2025-05-20 02:57:08: Reply from thranos: I was trashing their trays so they would stop making a morbillion BS tomatoes to be annoying with, not "to get my valids". Nor is griefing (which is what it looked like) an issue that can be "resolved IC". Nor did I ahelp last round about them, so how exactly could I have "ahelped and then resolved the issue IC"?
2025-05-20 03:00:11: Reply from iansdoor: no, you are doing an ahelp ticket and then also resolving the issue IC via rule 4 when admins are chatting with them. Please do one or the other, don't do both if its not a clear sign from the admin to stick to IC.
2025-05-20 03:01:11: Reply from thranos: What are you talking about??? This was LAST ROUND. I didn't ahelp them last round. [4. Lone antagonists are unbound by (most) rules.]??????

You're not making any sense
2025-05-20 03:03:11: Reply from iansdoor: did you want me to pull up the tickets? How many times you try to kill that AI when you were a non-human? things like this. I realize that and was okay with you killing the botanist with that roller pin after security used disabler beams. But to be honest, that is an IC solution, I am not sure why you ahelped it after the fact.
2025-05-20 03:03:40: Reply from thranos: I- what? This ticket isn't about the AI.
2025-05-20 03:03:53: Reply from thranos: The ticket about the AI was last round, and was closed.
2025-05-20 03:04:41: Reply from thranos: I didn't "resolve the issue IC" with the AI last round, either.
2025-05-20 03:04:57: Reply from thranos: I welded off like three walls and surrendered to the CE.
2025-05-20 03:05:22: Reply from iansdoor: this ticket is really about all of last round as a whole. If you want to ask permission to resolution things IC, then thats one thing to get around the stay in your lane. But its whole different topic to ahelp something that clearly a rule 1 break of griefing, the next round and you resolved by killing them last round.
2025-05-20 03:06:30: Reply from thranos: I ahelped the Botanist and Geneticist because I saw they weren't antags and had been doing shit that was absolutely antag-level. This ticket is not about "last round as a whole", and I don't know where you're getting that. Nor did I "resolve it IC", as the Botanist was revived and released by sec and continued to make BS tomatoes, and I never fought the Geneticist at all.
2025-05-20 03:06:45: Reply from iansdoor: CE also was not a great point for you either. I understand why you killed them and yelled out on the radio that syndicate for having the syndicate elite modsuit. Every time after that kept compounding an issue that made the game unfun for them and you were the clown. So is this an ahelp about them, what to do or are you trying to commit to keeping things IC as you have been doing?
2025-05-20 03:07:55: Reply from iansdoor: I do appreciate ahelps and direction, but you cannot IC resolve them if you are under the impression that the ooc rules are being broken. So hold back on that if you please.
2025-05-20 03:08:02: Reply from thranos: This ticket is not about the CE. I never mentioned the CE. I never mentioned the AI. This ticket is not about the AI either. Why are you doing this?
2025-05-20 03:08:57: Reply from iansdoor: I had a ton of tickets around you in particular. I saw that most of it was IC, but now we are in ahelp ticket the next round and that doesn't sit right with me.
2025-05-20 03:10:19: Reply from thranos: Why are you just ignoring everything I've said and repeatedly bringing up unrelated topics in this ticket? This is about two players doing things unrelated to me outside of the one or two times I ran into them IC, in which I didn't "handle it IC", nor did I "ahelp and try to handle IC" (as I didn't ahelp them last round).
2025-05-20 03:12:40: Reply from iansdoor: I am sorry, you resolved botanist IC with a rolling pin and stamcrit and then whatever killed the CE multiple times. Was there anything else you wanted to chat about?
2025-05-20 03:13:04: Reply from thranos: YES THE THINGS I INITIALLY AHELPED INSTEAD OF ALL THESE RANDOM ACCUSATIONS YOU PULLED INTO THE TICKET FOR NO REASON?
2025-05-20 03:13:51: Reply from thranos: The Geneticist who kept hulking out and attacking sec and smashing walls, nonantag. The Botanist, WHO WAS HEALED and eventually served time in sec after I rolling pinned them AND KEPT MAKING MORE BS TOMATOES.
2025-05-20 03:15:19: Reply from iansdoor: just to clarify for this ticket, how were they resolved? You were there and making jokes about the interaction.
2025-05-20 03:17:26: Reply from thranos: Security (Jeff Gaiman) gunned down the geneticist for like the eighth time at escape because he attacked them again, and left him to rot.

The Botanist was fried by the AI's plasmaflood, trapped in botany after he barricaded it from the inside to stop sec from easily raiding him again.

Is that what you mean by resolved?
2025-05-20 03:18:02: Reply from thranos: And again, I didn't ahelp either of these people last round because I assumed they were outright antags due to the things they were doing.
2025-05-20 03:18:55: Reply from iansdoor: I am not going in circles about this. If you deal with someone IC while ahelping it. please stick to one method unless you are ahelping to resolve it IC without serious pushback towards the rules.
2025-05-20 03:19:25: Reply from thranos: I DID NOT FUCKING DEAL WITH THEM IC I DID NOT AHELP THEM
2025-05-20 03:19:35: Closed by iansdoor
---- No Further Messages ----

This ticket can be viewed here: https://statbus.space/tickets/public/42 ... 2fc6390ccb
This ticket was generated by Statbus v.2.0.15

Yes, I know I got a bit hostile back near the end, but after being run in circles and accused from the very start, I'd like to hope that's at least a little understandable.

[iansdoor]

```I AHELPED THE AI, THIS TICKET IS NOT ABOUT THE AI, AND THE TICKET ABOUT THE AI WAS CLOSED. THIS TICKET IS ABOUT THE BOTANIST AND GENETICIST. I DID NOT AHELP THEM DURING LAST ROUND.```
is the message you sent after I closed your ticket.

Headmin have notified.

[AdmiralGigatron]

Yo, CE from that round here. Thranos never actually fully killed me- sure, he did yell a lot "CE IS A TRAITOR" but the first time that got me in trouble I was beaten to deep crit and robbed by a crowd of randos looking for their valid salad (Thranos only helped for a second, didnt even rob me, he even thought I truly was evil because he thought I attacked a secoff), the next time I had an encounter was the hulked geneticist he hired to break my knee, and the last time was when his shenanigans of yelling "CE IS A TOT" finally truly caught up when some doc decided to round remove me because I happened to be dead and he thought I was evil (Yes, it had been cleared I wasn't, but Thebiblemelts had already made a ruling and blah blah blah that isn't related) (also, he had stopped by then, we settled our differences. but there was a curator shouting that shit still, so I doubt Thranos was even the main contributor to that doctor's beliefs)

all in all, Thranos never laid a murderous finger on me, let alone murdered me several times (I only died twice that shift even, once to game lag and the SM, second to AI and the round removal)
just a douchebag finger (fuckin clowns man)

I literally made this account like 5 minutes ago too so don't expect many replies, idfk what I'm doing here, barely know how to reply. just came to speak up

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[iansdoor]

Yo, CE from that round here. Thranos never actually fully killed me- sure, he did yell a lot "CE IS A TRAITOR" but the first time that got me in trouble I was beaten to deep crit and robbed by a crowd of randos looking for their valid salad (Thranos only helped for a second, didnt even rob me, he even thought I truly was evil because he thought I attacked a secoff), the next time I had an encounter was the hulked geneticist he hired to break my knee, and the last time was when his shenanigans of yelling "CE IS A TOT" finally truly caught up when some doc decided to round remove me because I happened to be dead and he thought I was evil (Yes, it had been cleared I wasn't, but Thebiblemelts had already made a ruling and blah blah blah that isn't related) (also, he had stopped by then, we settled our differences. but there was a curator shouting that shit still, so I doubt Thranos was even the main contributor to that doctor's beliefs)

all in all, Thranos never laid a murderous finger on me, let alone murdered me several times (I only died twice that shift even, once to game lag and the SM, second to AI and the round removal)
just a douchebag finger (fuckin clowns man)

I do appreciate your side of the story and some form of resolution with each other. Adding on to the main issue here is that you were reasonably valided and called out in-game quite a lot that lead to your own frustration of that round, and then you were called out on that Manuel Discord to which you had to go through more hoops to calm down the sentiment that has been plaguing Manuel, that being declared as a server griefer. The new rule addition on the Manuel discord is no callouts as that isn't something that is allowed on TG discord either.

I literally made this account like 5 minutes ago too so don't expect many replies, idfk what I'm doing here, barely know how to reply. just came to speak up

This is a curious question to ask, as I don't see anywhere on the Manuel Discord of this admin complaint, did thranos direct message you to reply with your side to this admin complaint?

[iansdoor]

For the readers, I'll explain my thoughts with the ticket in a moment as I am currently getting all the logs layered together as there is a lot to unpack from a 2 and half hour manuel round.
The main point will be that if you ahelp, which you may freely ask at anytime, about something that deals in ooc rule breaks and then while admin is searching the logs and chatting with folks, you decide to get an IC resolution to deal with the OOC frustration. The ahelp situation becomes a moot point. When I mentioned repeatedly as you didn't ahelp then only after the round, you went out of your way as a clown to reenact revenge for the slightest frustration. This part utterly confuses me when you confirm your valids with rule 4.

[Thranos]

For the readers, I'll explain my thoughts with the ticket in a moment as I am currently getting all the logs layered together as there is a lot to unpack from a 2 and half hour manuel round.
The main point will be that if you ahelp, which you may freely ask at anytime, about something that deals in ooc rule breaks and then while admin is searching the logs and chatting with folks, you decide to get an IC resolution to deal with the OOC frustration. The ahelp situation becomes a moot point. When I mentioned repeatedly as you didn't ahelp then only after the round, you went out of your way as a clown to reenact revenge for the slightest frustration. This part utterly confuses me when you confirm your valids with rule 4.

I ahelped about the Botanist and the Geneticist the next round. I never ahelped them during the round where I interacted with them, as I didn't know they were non-antags until the roundend screen came up, having assumed they were antags from the sheer amount of stuff they were doing.
As far as "IC resolution" for... the ahelps I never made... I beat the shit out of the Botanist after they threw a bluespace tomato at me and caused chain of events where I was stuck in the freezer with them during a sec raid on Botany.
They were revived, gulagged, and came back after breaking rocks only to die in a plasmafire, trapped in their own fortified workspace. This is what you can see me commenting on in the Manuelcord screenshots about poetic death.

I never "IC resolved" the Geneticist, either. My interaction with them was paying them 1000 credits to break the CE's kneecaps, and watching them get gunned down by sec like eight times for going on various hulk rampages.

The screenshots from the Manuelcord that you posted also (understandably) lack my further communication with the CE's player in DMs figuring out what went down with them (horrendous miscommunication + unfortunate coincidences). Later, after the ticket seen above, I asked if they had ahelped me, to which they said "no". I then spoke with them briefly about the ticket, yes, because it claims that I had killed them several times, and I wanted to double-check with them to make sure I wasn't misremembering things, as it had left me very confused. I did also ask if they could chime in as an involved party to contest part of the claims in this admin complaint.

Likewise, the Manuelcord screenshots also lack the context about the AI, wherein shortly after the last image posted, there was a derail about the horrendously confusing Asimov vs Asimov++ Silicon Policy, which was to blame for my (and everyone else's) woes with the first AI (Overwatch). (It's really confusing but that's a topic for a policy thread, not here.)

The callout rule for the Manuelcord only specifies "no names", which I followed. The only reason a resolution between myself and the CE wasn't seen in the Manuelcord was because of the near-immediate derail into "what the hell is with silicon policy" and "the AI had HOW MANY law changes?", which can briefly be seen in the images as well.

[Thranos]

My main issue here, which is something that you still seem to be misunderstanding, is that this ticket was made the round after the one involving the CE/AI/etc. I did not ahelp anyone involved in my initial post for this ticket during that round, either (Geneticist/Botanist).
I did not "decide to get an IC resolution to deal with the OOC frustration" "while admin is searching the logs and chatting with folks". I could not have. The ahelp was made during a different round.

[iansdoor]

Alright so let's break down the round for you, so you can understand where I am coming from. Some parts I had no idea you did and others I was watching and dealing with. Every attack and game log between CE, AI, you, botanist and the hulk geneticist is below. The important bit when you look thru the text, the situation is based off your words and actions at that time. You can search anyone as well. I'll add the total reacted logs at the end.

Roundstart:

You disconnect a twice and eventually make your way out to service area, where you enter into kitchen over a counter to deepfry a pen. You get aggressive tabled? by the security and then waddle out to medical.
You get healed and wander around to departures to fish with intention to use DNA infuser. You get booze splashed and shoved by the mime. Both of you get in a shove match to which the mime does use an oar as a lethal action and then backs away. You and someone else fishing gathered up enough and make your way to gene.

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You enter genetics to use the DNA infuser and the AI is adamant about not letting humans dehumanize with the fish parts. You get mad at the AI and speak about silicon policy with them, and everyone in the genetics lab. Eventually, you do become part fish and getting so frustrated that you, as the non-human now, attacked their AI shell. They don't fight back at first till about half health on the shell and then kill you as you are already weakened by the DNA infuser. To which, you start blaring out about "human harm committed by the ai" and get even more hurt to the point where you end up in medical to be recovered from deep crit.

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You get up from treatment with the commitment to kill the AI, but you wanted to finish your complete fish transformation too. You witness that the lab is being taken apart, prompting you to fruitlessly law 2 and then try to damage the shell once more. That AI crits you again to drag you out of science. HoS spots this, epi pen you and grabs you away from the shell. You keep insisting to the HoS that AI is ignoring its laws and that you, security, should kill it. HoS doesn't buy into killing the AI. so you finish off the empty minded borg shell with a toolbox. You print a diamond drill and break back out through the dismantled genetics.

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Fastforward 5 minutes later, you are cutting the camera and are breaking the reinforced walls at AI sat. CE is alerted by the AI about their sat and walks outside the satellite to baton and cuff you away to brig. This is where you and their beef starts. You attempt to reason with CE on why they should let you continue on, but CE passes you on and makes a threat to stay out of that area. HoS searches you and then throws you out. Fast forward another 2 minutes and you are at the same place taking apart the same walls to break into kill the AI. CE walks right back around, batons and takes you back to brig a second time in cuffs. You mention plasmafire and susception of the AI to HoS, who again searches you and lets you go.

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You walk over to CE, who you are pointing back and forth between you and security officer for 120 emotes, ending with the phrase "Nice Syndie suit". Someone randomly powerfists the CE into a window and the CE batons them. The HoS stuns them, you and few others valid the hell out of the kick me to death suit, that the CE found. This is where you overboard damaging the CE with the curator shoving them. You strip off the rest and dropping all of CE's things on the ground as the medical is dragging them away to be treated. You are still malding about CE denying you the AI kill. You get caught by security bot and make your way to brig to make up that the CE were using powerfist on security. You try to get confirmation from the officer that "was hit by the powerfist" and they didn't say anything or confirm. So you kept on complaining that security has let loose an obvious traitor that nearly killed all security.

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You wander by the hulkified gene and offer them 1000 credits to beat up the CE, breaking his knees. You and the gene talk about the hit and that security may get involved, but you paid them. The gene goes off to collect the items needed. CE is trying to recover what you ripped from them and is confronted by the gene that bola and smashes them with a toolbox, telling the CE "the clown sends his regards" which is turns into a clown fiesta chase, he's wanted. "Give me the knees." At the same time, you are punching some random assistant and they punch back.

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After that, you take notice of the botanist throwing blue space tomatoes at folks, as you were hit by one. You call out for the crime and then gloat to CE, who is wandering back into medical, about the Hulk you have after them. CE ain't happy about the gloat or the kiss you threw at them and proceeds to push and kick you in the hallway. Now for whatever reason another hulk called HAROLD PIMPLE grabs you and slams both of him and youself into the vending machines. You aren't happy about that either. That random assistant comes back into bar area, gets kicked out after hitting a pocket crowbar on someone. You start beating them to crit with a pocket crowbar, they get healed by wanted hulk you hired and passersby and you attempt to beat the assistant to crit again. The CE batons you and hulk is just dragging you away from the assistant but request your help. You make a claim that hulk you hired was a "fucking hulk ling headed to security." Security is blasts the guy with lasers.

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You meet a positronic sphere and do the classic funny help, I am being absorbed. The CE is dealing with antag RD in sat and that goes poorly. You claim again the AI is malf, and CE is bad. You wander by science and the hulk you hired is frustrated punching and gunned down again by security once more. You have a heart to carry them back to medical. The now real malf ai starts flooding at the station, you walk into Maintenace to vaoid plasma and watch the botanist catch fire, declaring "you know what, Problem solved honestly" Nothing really happens as you wait for the shuttle and onwards to centcom.

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Now that we have a storyline to base off of. let's go into the ticket itself.

Last round, Dane McDonohugh the Botanist was making a ton of maxpot deathnettles and bluespace tomatoes, the latter of which he was tossing at people in the halls for some reason. I assumed he was an antag, but roundend says otherwise. Also, Monty Elliot the Geneticist kept hulking out and attacking sec + smashing through walls and such, again nonantag, and again assumed they were an antag until I saw roundend report.
2025-05-20 02:54:19: Reply from iansdoor: aye aye aye, I didn't appreciate ya breaking down the things I was looking at when you were doing getting your valid upon them. There is an issue of Ahelping and then resolving them also in IC. Don't do both and pick one.

based on logs above, that wasn't true, particularly around Dane McDonohugh, whom I chatted with earlier in that round. I understand that you were hit by a bluespace tomato and they threw 30 more randomly and also you lethalled them dead after a security stam critted, without any other prior interaction. I don't see you as a security officer and if you aren't security, there would be security policy to follow. So that realistically leaves the last option, the issue of ahelping them, which you did after the round, but you killed them and got rid of all the work. Grief begetting grief.

2025-05-20 02:57:08: Reply from thranos: I was trashing their trays so they would stop making a morbillion BS tomatoes to be annoying with, not "to get my valids". Nor is griefing (which is what it looked like) an issue that can be "resolved IC". Nor did I ahelp last round about them, so how exactly could I have "ahelped and then resolved the issue IC"?
2025-05-20 03:00:11: Reply from iansdoor: no, you are doing an ahelp ticket and then also resolving the issue IC via rule 4 when admins are chatting with them. Please do one or the other, don't do both if its not a clear sign from the admin to stick to IC.

So when you were trashing the trays, while I was trying to collect data of what was in them. You did all of this within about 3 minutes. You murdered the botanist that security was after; they were dragged to medical and after chatting with medical, you unrooted the plants while keeping the spare blue space tomatoes. I didn't realize this part, only that botanist was not thrilled about murdered.

► Show Spoiler

5-20 01:58:23.105]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) attacked ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) with rolling pin (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -114.7) (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:24.130]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) attacked *no key*/(Dane McDonohugh) with rolling pin (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -122.7) (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:25.101]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) attacked *no key*/(Dane McDonohugh) with rolling pin (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -130.7) (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:25.921]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) attacked *no key*/(Dane McDonohugh) with rolling pin (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -138.7) (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:28.131] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Fucker." (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:30.045] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Call sec." (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:31.315] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Call sec!!" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:34.662] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "THIS FUCKER" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:39.058] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "WAS KILLING PEOPLE" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:44.097] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Go call sec in from the hall." (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:48.888] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "He just escaped them" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:52.892] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "SEC TO FREEZER" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:58:55.318] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "I GOT THE BOTANIST" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
5-20 01:59:03.152]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) grabbed *no key*/(Dane McDonohugh) passive grab (NEWHP: -138.7) (Kitchen (150,151,2))
5-20 01:59:22.201]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) shoved *no key*/(Dane McDonohugh) with onto the plastitanium glass table (table) (NEWHP: -138.7) (Kitchen (149,143,2))
5-20 01:59:23.133]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) shoved *no key*/(Dane McDonohugh) (NEWHP: -138.7) (Kitchen (149,142,2))
5-20 01:59:28.230]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) climbed onto [plastitanium glass table] (Kitchen (149,141,2))
5-20 01:59:35.876] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "you know what the botanist was doing?>" (Kitchen (149,141,2))
5-20 01:59:40.419] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "This." (Starboard Primary Hallway (149,140,2))
5-20 01:59:42.753]GAME: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) has teleported from (Starboard Primary Hallway (149,140,2)) to (Kitchen (153,150,2))
5-20 01:59:45.164]GAME: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) has teleported from (Kitchen (153,151,2)) to (Fore Starboard Maintenance (150,158,2))
5-20 01:59:56.169] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at the floor (Central Primary Hallway (124,150,2))
5-20 01:59:56.464] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at the floor (Central Primary Hallway (125,150,2))
5-20 01:59:59.713] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "got the botanist" (Central Primary Hallway (128,147,2))
5-20 02:00:04.474]GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Iansdoor/(Vents-Hot-Air) checked the individual player panel for Thranos/(Syndicate Operative).
5-20 02:00:04.830] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "yeah" (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
5-20 02:00:11.921] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "I beat him to death with a rolling pin." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
5-20 02:00:20.124] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "After he tried to kill me." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
5-20 02:00:24.849] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "After we teleported around." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
5-20 02:00:37.993] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Li Wei has him last I saw" (Central Primary Hallway (128,150,2))
5-20 02:00:53.086]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) has thrown the plant bag . (Bar (139,142,2))
5-20 02:00:59.717]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) has thrown the bluespace tomato . (Bar (135,142,2))
5-20 02:00:59.730]ATTACK:Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) threw and hit unanoxa/(Jameson Sullivan) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 91.6) (Bar (135,142,2))
5-20 02:01:06.514] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "yes?" (Medbay Lobby (147,134,2))
5-20 02:01:11.622] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:13.595] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Careful!" (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:18.579] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "That guy's wanted by sec." (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:20.870] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:21.022] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:21.180] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:21.332] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:21.486] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:21.645] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:21.849] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:22.097] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:22.257] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:31.932] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "CUFF HIM BEFORE YOU REVIVE" (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:33.083] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:33.233] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:33.438] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:33.689] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:33.997] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:34.140] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:34.289] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:34.594] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:34.892] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:35.041] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at Dane McDonohugh (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:01:37.378] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Sec wants him." (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
5-20 02:02:24.706] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "yes?" (Hydroponics (158,141,2))
5-20 02:02:49.228] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) claps. (Hydroponics (158,146,2))
5-20 02:03:02.870]GAME: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) received water flower in the mail (/obj/item/reagent_containers/spray/waterflower/lube) (Hydroponics (157,146,2))
5-20 02:04:28.369] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) claps. (Hydroponics (160,148,2))
5-20 02:05:50.252] : Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) points at C-4 charge (Central Primary Hallway (131,137,2))

2025-05-20 03:01:11: Reply from thranos: What are you talking about??? This was LAST ROUND. I didn't ahelp them last round. [4. Lone antagonists are unbound by (most) rules.]?????? You're not making any sense
2025-05-20 03:03:11: Reply from iansdoor: did you want me to pull up the tickets? How many times you try to kill that AI when you were a non-human? things like this. I realize that and was okay with you killing the botanist with that roller pin after security used disabler beams. But to be honest, that is an IC solution, I am not sure why you ahelped it after the fact.

Everything goes back to how valid a situation is, the big thing I knew was the interaction between CE, you and AI and realized from that last round that you were not relenting up on rule 4, which allows anyone to treat another person as antag as long as you can say the proper IC reasoning. But the thing that bothers me more now, you didn't really, and you kept saying random antagonist stuff when slighted and then believing your own words without actual proof. Which rule 4 again allows everyone to know everything about an antagonist. This is what security did that round and were successful even against your suggestions.

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00:27:38.737] Thranos "nope, sorry" (Starboard Primary Hallway (150,139,2))
00:28:44.925] Thranos "OW FUCK" (Kitchen (151,145,2))
00:34:23.989] Thranos "THAT IS" (Departure Lounge (193,144,2))
00:34:25.157] Thranos "SO LOUD" (Departure Lounge (193,144,2))
00:35:23.235] Thranos "Fucking mime." (Departure Lounge (191,143,2))
00:39:41.276] Thranos "He has a mask on." (Rainworld Ocean (202,143,2))
00:39:44.909] Thranos "Turn off his internals?" (Rainworld Ocean (202,143,2))
00:40:34.837] Thranos "fish time" (Genetics Lab (191,135,2))
00:40:56.614] Thranos "Borg what the hell" (Genetics Lab (190,133,2))
00:41:25.018] Thranos "The AI is shutting down genetics to stop "human harm"- as in DNA infusion." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:41:29.934] Thranos "What the fuck." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:41:42.658] Thranos "Engineering to genetics, AI is a fucking idiot and killed the power." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:41:54.239] Thranos "Ai said, and I quote: "Consent or not, it is human harm"." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:42:02.313] Thranos "I don't think it knows how its own laws work." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:42:40.476] Thranos "AI, consenting harm is not harm." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:42:54.806] Thranos "The AI killed power." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:42:58.091] Thranos "AI. Yes it does." (Genetics Lab (191,133,2))
00:43:54.014] Thranos "The AI shut down genetics for "human harm"." (Genetics Lab (192,133,2))
00:43:56.444] Thranos "The AI shut down genetics for "human harm"." (Genetics Lab (192,133,2))
00:44:00.031] Thranos "Like all of it." (Genetics Lab (192,133,2))
00:44:34.664] Thranos "KILL THE BORG" (Genetics Lab (192,132,2))
00:47:00.053] Thranos "Okay so the AI's shell tried to kill me after tearing apart genetics." (Medbay Lobby (147,132,2))
00:47:05.402] Thranos "I think we should just kill it." (Medbay Lobby (147,132,2))
00:47:29.545] Thranos "AI, law two, unfuck genetics." (Starboard Primary Hallway (177,137,2))
00:47:51.506] Thranos "Well fucking put it back" (Genetics Lab (191,134,2))
00:48:13.656] Thranos "KILL YOURSELF LAW TWO" (Genetics Lab (194,132,2))
00:48:17.207] Thranos "HELP" (Genetics Lab (194,132,2))
00:48:19.446] Thranos "GENETICS" (Genetics Lab (194,132,2))
00:48:53.054] Thranos "KILL IT" (Research Division (188,127,2))
00:48:54.627] Thranos "KILL IT NOW" (Research Division (188,127,2))
00:49:02.320] Thranos "IT TORE APART GENETICS" (Research Division (188,127,2))
00:49:05.633] Thranos "AND IS IGNORING LAWS" (Research Division (188,127,2))
00:49:32.666] Thranos "|IT TORE APART GENETICS BECAUSE IT SAYS "CONSENTING HARM IS STILL HARM".|" (Research Division (188,127,2))
00:49:40.002] Thranos "it is NOT following laws" (Research Division (188,127,2))
00:49:47.896] Thranos "That is NOT correct you fucking idiot" (Research Division (188,127,2))
00:50:03.827] Thranos "Consenting harm is NOT HARM" (Research Division (187,127,2))
00:50:19.520] Thranos "Doesn't matter" (Research Division (187,127,2))
00:50:24.604] Thranos "No, all laws do." (Research Division (187,127,2))
00:50:54.603] Thranos "The AI |REFUSES| to accept that consenting harm isnot harm." (Research Division (187,126,2))
00:50:58.797] Thranos "And keeps fucking with genetics." (Research Division (187,126,2))
00:51:23.666] Thranos "It's being a piece of shit I dunno." (Research Division (187,127,2))
00:54:37.800] Thranos "Your AI." (Departure Lounge (192,141,2))
00:54:40.247] Thranos "Is a piece of shit." (Departure Lounge (192,141,2))
01:00:37.547] Thranos "This thing is rogue as fuck." (Rainworld Ocean (150,32,2))
01:00:41.482] Thranos "It's tried to kill me" (Rainworld Ocean (150,32,2))
01:00:42.567] Thranos "four times" (Rainworld Ocean (150,32,2))
01:00:49.660] Thranos "I'm not resisting." (Rainworld Ocean (143,39,2))
01:01:24.656] Thranos "Fuck this IBM piece of shit." (AI Satellite Antechamber (150,69,2))
01:01:31.629] Thranos "It doesn't even know how its own laws work." (AI Satellite Antechamber (150,68,2))
01:01:52.633] Thranos "Cool, and it's ignoring those laws." (AI Satellite Antechamber (153,64,2))
01:02:54.396] Thranos "First, it tears apart genetics to "stop human harm". Then it says "consenting human harm is still human harm". Then it kills me anyways." (Brig (119,178,2))
01:03:27.219] Thranos "I'm going to kill the AI like it's done to me four times." (Brig (105,179,2))
01:03:35.012] Thranos "It's also either rogue as fuck or an idiot." (Brig (105,179,2))
01:03:51.068] Thranos "First, it tears apart genetics to "stop human harm". Then it says "consenting human harm is still human harm". Then it kills me anyways." (Brig (104,180,2))
01:04:01.652] Thranos "No it's not." (Brig (104,180,2))
01:04:19.707] Thranos "And besides, if I was already nonhuman enough to kill, why was it destroying genetics to "stop human harm"?" (Brig (104,180,2))
01:04:34.684] Thranos "Because it's |EITHER ROGUE OR AN IDIOT|." (Brig (104,180,2))
01:04:45.737] Thranos "Don't give it ideas." (Brig (104,180,2))
01:05:05.091] Thranos "Also my internals are still on." (Brig (104,180,2))
01:05:36.217] Thranos "I just wanted to fish and stuff, this AI is such a turd." (Brig (105,180,2))
01:05:53.540] Thranos "What?" (Brig (105,180,2))
01:06:01.562] Thranos "No?" (Brig (119,178,2))
01:06:08.656] Thranos "Oh so now it's making shit up too, cool" (Brig (119,178,2))
01:06:41.910] Thranos "I didn't see a vote either" (Dormitories (122,165,2))
01:08:14.695] Thranos "Recall" (Rainworld Ocean (144,35,2))
01:09:33.830] Thranos "Hi." (Rainworld Ocean (150,32,2))
01:09:46.462] Thranos "When the AI is dead." (Rainworld Ocean (149,32,2))
01:10:23.526] Thranos "Oh good someone else hates this piece of shit." (Rainworld Ocean (150,32,2))
01:10:47.160] Thranos "I'm trying to kill it because it's killed me like four times and doesn't understand its own laws." (Rainworld Ocean (143,45,2))
01:10:52.785] Thranos "Dunno about the other guy." (Rainworld Ocean (142,60,2))
01:11:03.984] Thranos "won't work." (Rainworld Ocean (145,66,2))
01:11:05.533] Thranos "Fish." (Rainworld Ocean (145,67,2))
01:11:23.750] Thranos "It already doesn't care." (Rainworld Ocean (149,73,2))
01:11:47.844] Thranos "Because the AI is |a piece of shit|." (Rainworld Ocean (150,73,2))
01:12:27.788] Thranos "WHAT" (Transit Tube (129,76,2))
01:12:32.818] Thranos "good lord what was that" (Engineering (122,88,2))
01:12:46.820] Thranos "My leg just... bled real bad for some reason." (Central Primary Hallway (127,122,2))
01:12:47.915] Thranos "Weird." (Central Primary Hallway (128,124,2))
01:12:55.232] Thranos "ah" (Central Primary Hallway (124,150,2))
01:13:09.388] Thranos "Hello again." (Brig (121,179,2))
01:13:26.450] Thranos "Two." (Brig (120,179,2))
01:13:37.917] Thranos "Two |attempted| break-ins, same hole." (Brig (120,179,2))
01:13:55.129] Thranos "I entered the wall" (Brig (109,184,2))
01:14:11.544] Thranos "HMM PLASMA FIRE HMMM WEIRD" (Brig (105,186,2))
01:14:15.210] Thranos "ALMOST LIKE THE AI IS ROGUE" (Brig (105,186,2))
01:14:36.877] Thranos "HMM WEIRD, PLASMA FIRE, HMM." (Brig (105,186,2))
01:14:38.944] Thranos "HMMMMMMMM." (Brig (105,186,2))
01:15:01.908] Thranos "And the AI isn't doing anything to stop the plasma fire, HMMMMM." (Brig (105,186,2))
01:15:06.815] Thranos "|Weird!|" (Brig (106,188,2))
01:15:58.182] Thranos "Man." (Brig (106,187,2))
01:16:07.221] Thranos "I didn't even kill it yet." (Brig (106,187,2))
01:16:09.421] Thranos "|Yet.|" (Brig (106,187,2))
01:16:25.269] Thranos "I am?" (Brig (106,187,2))
01:16:29.886] Thranos "ah." (Brig (106,187,2))
01:17:49.828] Thranos "COOL SYNDIE SUIT!!" (Central Primary Hallway (116,151,2))
01:18:09.637] Thranos "CE IS A TRAITOR BRIDGE" (Central Primary Hallway (119,151,2))
01:18:24.636] Thranos "yes" (Central Primary Hallway (113,151,2))
01:18:39.850] Thranos "CE DOWN" (Central Primary Hallway (115,150,2))
01:19:21.537] Thranos "The CE's batong" (Central Primary Hallway (129,145,2))
01:19:37.520] Thranos "FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOU" (Medbay Treatment Center (142,125,2))
01:19:50.077] Thranos "FUCK YOU CE" (Medbay Treatment Center (145,125,2))
01:20:00.245] Thranos "also make sure not to uncuff him" (Medbay Treatment Center (146,126,2))
01:20:03.872] Thranos "He killed like." (Medbay Treatment Center (146,126,2))
01:20:06.488] Thranos "Three- good." (Medbay Treatment Center (146,126,2))
01:20:20.170] Thranos "neat" (Departure Lounge (196,138,2))
01:21:25.420] Thranos "SEC YOU FORGOT TO UNARREST ME" (Central Primary Hallway (96,150,2))
01:21:42.141] Thranos "hi." (Brig (116,180,2))
01:21:55.423] Thranos "You guys forgot to take me off arrest." (Brig (116,180,2))
01:22:07.439] Thranos "So CE." (Brig (116,180,2))
01:22:10.073] Thranos "I've gotta ask." (Brig (116,180,2))
01:22:13.923] Thranos "Did you relaw the AI?" (Brig (116,180,2))
01:22:29.949] Thranos "The CE was fisting people." (Brig (113,180,2))
01:22:39.797] Thranos "I saw them jump a sec officer." (Brig (113,180,2))
01:22:42.210] Thranos "So." (Brig (113,180,2))
01:22:48.611] Thranos "Also they had an elite syndie suit." (Brig (113,180,2))
01:23:06.562] Thranos "Hey HoS you forgot to take me off arrest." (Brig (109,182,2))
01:23:14.171] Thranos "NOOOOOOOOO" (Brig (109,181,2))
01:23:18.952] Thranos "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT" (Brig (109,181,2))
01:23:29.907] Thranos "HOS" (Brig (106,188,2))
01:23:33.654] Thranos "WHY DID YOU LET THE CE GO" (Brig (106,188,2))
01:23:50.273] Thranos "|THEY FISTED PEOPLE IN FRONT OF THE BRIDGE!|" (Brig (106,188,2))
01:23:56.151] Thranos "|THEY HAD AN ELITE MODSUIT!!|" (Brig (106,188,2))
01:24:09.216] Thranos "also no." (Brig (106,188,2))
01:24:17.578] Thranos "Also also." (Brig (99,188,2))
01:24:18.986] Thranos "You uh." (Brig (99,188,2))
01:24:22.947] Thranos "Forgot to take me off arrest." (Brig (99,188,2))
01:24:30.877] Thranos "uhhh" (Brig (98,187,2))
01:24:36.366] Thranos "good question" (Brig (103,187,2))
01:24:48.866] Thranos "Guess NT never stocked 'em." (Brig (106,187,2))
01:25:10.651] Thranos "you don't HAVE any" (Brig (124,180,2))
01:25:18.679] Thranos "Hi." (Security Office (120,183,2))
01:25:22.167] Thranos "Amber" (Security Office (121,181,2))
01:25:26.544] Thranos "Amber?" (Brig (109,182,2))
01:25:36.580] Thranos "Nobody ever... took me off arrest. Beepers got me." (Brig (109,182,2))
01:25:42.346] Thranos "I've been asking for help for like ten minutes." (Brig (109,182,2))
01:25:50.471] Thranos "Damn too bad." (Brig (109,182,2))
01:26:02.300] Thranos "Also Amber didn't the CE fucking attack you?" (Brig (109,182,2))
01:26:18.153] Thranos "didn't the CE fucking attack you?" (Brig (118,178,2))
01:26:31.060] Thranos "oh my god." (Brig (119,178,2))
01:27:19.173] Thranos "SEC FOR FUCK'S SAKE YOU'VE LEFT ME CUFFED IN THE BRIG FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES WHILE I BEG FOR HELP" (Brig (109,181,2))
01:27:29.582] Thranos "HI YES HELLO I AM STILL ON ARREST" (Brig (109,179,2))
01:27:32.751] Thranos "AND BEEPSKY GOT ME" (Brig (109,179,2))
01:27:36.774] Thranos "I was FOLLOWING you" (Brig (114,180,2))
01:27:47.067] Thranos "Finally out." (Fore Primary Hallway (114,172,2))
01:30:09.065] Thranos "Well they just killed themselves." (Bar (139,150,2))
01:30:45.138] Thranos "No, it was with soap." (Central Primary Hallway (122,153,2))
01:31:02.172] Thranos "Because sec let the blatant traitor CE who nearly killed them free." (Central Primary Hallway (108,151,2))
01:32:15.856] Thranos "Also the borgs just stole your protolathe, eat shit." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,98,2))
01:32:18.483] Thranos "Hey geneman." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,98,2))
01:32:33.453] Thranos "I will pay you 1000 credits to beat the shit out of the CE." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,98,2))
01:32:51.587] Thranos "deal?" (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
01:33:02.864] Thranos "I've only got 1080." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
01:33:10.533] Thranos "No need to kill, just. Smack 'em up." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
01:33:15.087] Thranos "You can even tell sec I made you do it." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
01:33:21.693] Thranos "He ran past a second ago." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
01:33:26.947] Thranos "John Davinski." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
01:33:31.832] Thranos "oh pff" (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
01:35:03.800] Thranos "what the" (Security Post - Medbay (152,135,2))
01:35:14.062] Thranos "Someone's tossing bluespace tomatoes, watch out!" (Security Post - Medbay (151,133,2))
01:35:21.416] Thranos "hi." (Security Post - Medbay (152,132,2))
01:35:28.304] Thranos "Bluespace tomatoes." (Security Post - Medbay (152,132,2))
01:35:31.438] Thranos "Someone's throwing them." (Security Post - Medbay (152,132,2))
01:46:00.548] Thranos "HEY JOHN!!" (Fore Primary Hallway (117,173,2))
01:46:04.378] Thranos "HOW'S THE LEGS DOING?!!" (Fore Primary Hallway (117,173,2))
01:46:30.544] Thranos "HOW WAS THE HULK VISIT, CE?" (Brig (118,176,2))
01:46:55.377] Thranos "Hey HoS" (Brig (118,176,2))
01:47:06.565] Thranos "CE's just made a death threat against me" (Fore Primary Hallway (118,172,2))
01:47:13.424] Thranos "In earshot of you" (Fore Primary Hallway (119,173,2))
01:47:35.625] Thranos "OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK" (Fore Primary Hallway (120,172,2))
01:47:40.677] Thranos "HOS" (Fore Primary Hallway (119,173,2))
01:48:55.548] Thranos "SUICIDE ATTACKED ME" (Fore Primary Hallway (118,173,2))
01:49:14.671] Thranos "He grabbed me and pulled vending machines down on both of us." (Fore Primary Hallway (119,173,2))
01:49:18.190] Thranos "Repeatedly." (Fore Primary Hallway (119,173,2))
01:49:29.649] Thranos "Wasn't me this time." (Fore Primary Hallway (119,173,2))
01:49:34.909] Thranos "I would be gloating if it was." (Fore Primary Hallway (119,173,2))
01:49:46.469] Thranos "A borg dragged it off, disassembled, in a locker." (Fore Primary Hallway (119,173,2))
01:50:17.890] Thranos "Harold Pimple fucking suicide attacked me." (Fore Primary Hallway (115,173,2))
01:50:25.751] Thranos "Grabbed me and dropped two vending machines on both of us" (Fore Primary Hallway (115,173,2))
01:50:39.822] Thranos "I mean it was pretty wild." (Fore Primary Hallway (116,173,2))
01:50:43.782] Thranos "And yeah medical took him" (Fore Primary Hallway (116,173,2))
01:51:09.415] Thranos "This crazy-ass." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:51:21.035] Thranos "Tried to mutual-kill himself and me with vending machines." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:51:25.307] Thranos "It was hardcore." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:51:31.420] Thranos "who?" (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:51:36.270] Thranos "Man I wish." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:51:51.601] Thranos "I would have relawed it to kill itself |NOW| if I had." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:51:56.515] Thranos "Also no I wasn't." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:52:07.707] Thranos "Well yeah it's not." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:52:17.699] Thranos "It INSISTS that "mutual harm is still harm" and shit." (Medbay Treatment Center (144,123,2))
01:53:06.049] Thranos "but yeah it tore up genetics to "prevent human harm via dehumanizing"." (Medbay Treatment Center (145,122,2))
01:53:21.665] Thranos "also my arm is uh." (Medbay Treatment Center (145,122,2))
01:53:23.305] Thranos "Gravel." (Medbay Treatment Center (145,122,2))
01:53:54.621] Thranos "Harold attempted a vendor-crush mutual kill murder-suicide on me." (Medbay Treatment Center (148,126,2))
01:55:16.191] Thranos "Dead as hell." (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
01:55:35.797] Thranos "Idiot tider." (Starboard Primary Hallway (139,138,2))
01:55:54.020] Thranos "hey sec, Jameson Sullivan just started whacking people with a crowbar in the bar." (Starboard Primary Hallway (139,138,2))
01:56:02.479] Thranos "In case he whines to you about four people kicking his ass." (Starboard Primary Hallway (139,138,2))
01:56:40.702] Thranos "fucking tider" (Starboard Primary Hallway (142,138,2))
01:56:41.277] Thranos "OW" (Starboard Primary Hallway (142,138,2))
01:56:48.976] Thranos "He's attacking literally like." (Starboard Primary Hallway (141,138,2))
01:56:51.931] Thranos "Everyone" (Starboard Primary Hallway (142,138,2))
01:57:32.087] Thranos "Yo uh." (Starboard Primary Hallway (156,137,2))
01:57:41.218] Thranos "There's a fucking hulk ling headed to "end security"." (Starboard Primary Hallway (156,137,2))
01:58:28.131] Thranos "Fucker." (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:30.045] Thranos "Call sec." (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:31.315] Thranos "Call sec!!" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:34.662] Thranos "THIS FUCKER" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:39.058] Thranos "WAS KILLING PEOPLE" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:44.097] Thranos "Go call sec in from the hall." (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:48.888] Thranos "He just escaped them" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:52.892] Thranos "SEC TO FREEZER" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:58:55.318] Thranos "I GOT THE BOTANIST" (Kitchen (151,151,2))
01:59:35.876] Thranos "you know what the botanist was doing?>" (Kitchen (149,141,2))
01:59:40.419] Thranos "This." (Starboard Primary Hallway (149,140,2))
01:59:59.713] Thranos "got the botanist" (Central Primary Hallway (128,147,2))
02:00:04.830] Thranos "yeah" (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
02:00:11.921] Thranos "I beat him to death with a rolling pin." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
02:00:20.124] Thranos "After he tried to kill me." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
02:00:24.849] Thranos "After we teleported around." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
02:00:37.993] Thranos "Li Wei has him last I saw" (Central Primary Hallway (128,150,2))
02:01:06.514] Thranos "yes?" (Medbay Lobby (147,134,2))
02:01:13.595] Thranos "Careful!" (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
02:01:18.579] Thranos "That guy's wanted by sec." (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
02:01:31.932] Thranos "CUFF HIM BEFORE YOU REVIVE" (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
02:01:37.378] Thranos "Sec wants him." (Medbay Treatment Center (146,124,2))
02:02:24.706] Thranos "yes?" (Hydroponics (158,141,2))
02:06:26.434] Thranos "WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WERE SAYING HE WAS EVIL, INCLUDING A SEC OFFICER!!" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,169,2))
02:06:33.411] Thranos "hi." (Brig (117,180,2))
02:06:49.891] Thranos "CE's evil." (Brig (119,178,2))
02:07:03.377] Thranos "Killed the Cap." (Brig (117,178,2))
02:07:21.537] Thranos "OH NO" (Brig (123,176,2))
02:07:29.118] Thranos "8surrender" (Brig (122,175,2))
02:07:32.601] Thranos "88surrender" (Brig (122,175,2))
02:07:33.967] Thranos "AAAAAA" (Brig (122,175,2))
02:07:36.889] Thranos "MY BRAIN HURT" (Brig (122,175,2))
02:07:57.782] Thranos "One." (Brig (122,175,2))
02:08:09.148] Thranos "wow." (Brig (123,176,2))
02:08:17.129] Thranos "oh wait I can just" (Brig (123,176,2))
02:08:38.010] Thranos "thanks!" (Fore Primary Hallway (117,172,2))
02:08:50.738] Thranos "STINKY!!" (Fore Primary Hallway (116,173,2))
02:08:54.778] Thranos "STINKY!!" (Fore Primary Hallway (116,173,2))
02:09:07.824] Thranos "hi." (Fore Primary Hallway (117,173,2))
02:09:21.147] Thranos "oh right" (Fore Primary Hallway (117,173,2))
02:09:31.275] Thranos "fukken." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,171,2))
02:10:29.097] Thranos "Oh, he kept threatening to kill me for trying to kill the AI and then he attacked a security officer and then he had an elite modsuit and then he made death threats against me in front of the HoS and then someone on comms said he killed the Captain." (Brig (118,180,2))
02:10:46.508] Thranos "The one in front of the bridge who suicided." (Brig (118,180,2))
02:10:52.793] Thranos "yes." (Brig (118,180,2))
02:10:56.899] Thranos "Nuh uh." (Brig (118,180,2))
02:11:04.865] Thranos "Orb." (Brig (118,180,2))
02:11:13.701] Thranos "Wait what?" (Brig (118,180,2))
02:11:17.058] Thranos "I didn't steal your shit." (Brig (118,180,2))
02:11:58.789] Thranos "oh noey." (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:03.324] Thranos "what no" (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:09.807] Thranos "Man." (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:17.311] Thranos "This dude's been making death threats against me all shift." (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:20.769] Thranos "In front of the HoS, even." (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:32.251] Thranos "Yeah but the AI isn't you." (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:36.280] Thranos "And they deserve it." (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:45.272] Thranos "HE'S A PIECE OF SHIT IS WHAT HE IS." (Brig (119,180,2))
02:12:55.507] Thranos "Well I didn't know that!" (Brig (119,180,2))
02:13:03.145] Thranos "I just know it killed me four times!" (Brig (119,180,2))
02:13:09.817] Thranos "Nuh uh" (Brig (119,180,2))
02:13:16.876] Thranos "And it still kept being a turd!" (Brig (119,180,2))
02:14:10.157] Thranos "no" (Starboard Primary Hallway (135,139,2))
02:14:14.845] Thranos "I don't want it!" (Bar (136,145,2))
02:14:37.137] Thranos "AI don't call it" (Fore Starboard Maintenance (138,157,2))
02:15:14.034] Thranos "thanks chef!" (Starboard Primary Hallway (151,140,2))
02:16:30.486] Thranos "yes?" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:16:36.146] Thranos "sure?" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:16:54.937] Thranos "oh." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:16:56.090] Thranos "My god." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:17:18.951] Thranos "But the "fine print" still does." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:17:24.358] Thranos "If you catch me." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:17:57.038] Thranos "There's a whole section about it on the NTNet "AI laws for dummies" page." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:18:12.278] Thranos "Under "Asimov Specific Law Policies"." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:18:24.678] Thranos "I dunno I think the AI was just stupid." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:18:39.073] Thranos "Nuh uh." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:18:43.657] Thranos "The page here says "Asimov"." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:18:52.865] Thranos "Huh?" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:19:12.441] Thranos "El Jefe." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:19:29.435] Thranos "Or, the... mod, suit?" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:19:53.822] Thranos "Is it." (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:19:54.788] Thranos "Pie?" (Fore Primary Hallway (113,173,2))
02:20:16.842] Thranos "HELL YEAH BASKETBALL" (Central Primary Hallway (111,150,2))
02:20:42.198] Thranos "YEAAAAAAAAH" (Recreational Holodeck (146,165,2))
02:21:01.324] Thranos "DANG" (Recreational Holodeck (146,165,2))
02:21:08.160] Thranos "DUUUUUUUUUUNK!!" (Recreational Holodeck (146,167,2))
02:21:14.695] Thranos "aww ye" (Recreational Holodeck (146,165,2))
02:21:27.701] Thranos "what the" (Central Primary Hallway (99,149,2))
02:21:33.725] Thranos "uhhhhh" (Central Primary Hallway (100,149,2))
02:21:34.731] Thranos "what" (Central Primary Hallway (100,149,2))
02:21:46.439] Thranos "HELP THE WINDOW IS ABSORBING ME!!" (Central Primary Hallway (113,149,2))
02:21:49.681] Thranos "HELP THE WINDOW IS ABSORBING ME!!" (Central Primary Hallway (113,149,2))
02:21:53.116] Thranos "HELP THE WINDOW IS ABSORBING ME!!" (Central Primary Hallway (113,149,2))
02:22:08.460] Thranos "THE WINDOW IS ABSORBING MEEEEEEEEE!!" (Central Primary Hallway (113,149,2))
02:22:32.100] Thranos "hi." (Starboard Primary Hallway (137,137,2))
02:22:34.565] Thranos "I'm in your walls." (Starboard Primary Hallway (137,137,2))
02:23:16.521] Thranos "HMMMMMMMMMM IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE CE IS BAD LIKE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL SHIFT HMMMMMMMMMM." (Starboard Primary Hallway (134,138,2))
02:23:53.373] Thranos "uh huh!" (Central Primary Hallway (130,140,2))
02:24:13.124] Thranos "Also I broke physics and am now transposed slightly out of my physical space!" (Central Primary Hallway (130,140,2))
02:24:35.673] Thranos "it means they're emagged." (Starboard Primary Hallway (170,137,2))
02:24:44.678] Thranos "Hey Jeff check this shit" (Robotics Lab (171,135,2))
02:24:59.265] Thranos "I'm breaking the law OF PHYSICS" (Robotics Lab (170,133,2))
02:25:28.326] Thranos "I |TOLD YOU| the CE was evil! I |TOLD YOU| the AI was evil! Nobody ever LISTENS TO THE CLOWN!!" (Robotics Lab (170,133,2))
02:26:07.682] Thranos "yes" (Robotics Lab (170,133,2))
02:26:40.208] Thranos "oh it's this guy again" (Robotics Lab (172,129,2))
02:26:50.860] Thranos "so sad" (Starboard Primary Hallway (171,138,2))
02:27:12.644] Thranos "OH SHIT SORRY" (Medbay Central (146,128,2))
02:27:32.403] Thranos "The AI has a law zero and can do whatever it wants. Try asking nicely?" (Central Primary Hallway (129,142,2))
02:27:58.461] Thranos "Hey" (Central Primary Hallway (122,155,2))
02:27:59.877] Thranos "Hey HoS" (Central Primary Hallway (122,155,2))
02:28:06.645] Thranos "I'm breaking laws." (Central Primary Hallway (122,155,2))
02:28:13.189] Thranos "The laws..." (Central Primary Hallway (122,155,2))
02:28:15.378] Thranos "OF PHYSICS" (Central Primary Hallway (122,155,2))
02:28:26.173] Thranos "dang." (Central Primary Hallway (122,149,2))
02:30:43.432] Thranos "THE |MALF AI|" (Fore Starboard Maintenance (140,154,2))
02:32:50.232] Thranos "PLASMAFLOOD" (Fore Starboard Maintenance (157,154,2))
02:33:20.557] Thranos "you know what." (Hydroponics (161,151,2))
02:33:28.702] Thranos "Problem solved honestly." (Hydroponics (161,151,2))
02:34:06.548] Thranos "PLASMA" (Service Hallway (162,159,2))
02:38:56.014] Thranos "boy I sure wish I could hear." (Emergency Shuttle (209,148,2))
02:39:40.911] Thranos "The murder-botanist burned to death inside his own barricaded department." (Emergency Shuttle (209,148,2))
02:39:51.346] Thranos "I hope comms are still working I'm super deaf." (Emergency Shuttle (209,148,2))
02:41:49.145] Thranos "WHAT" (Emergency Shuttle (78,173,5))

2025-05-20 03:03:40: Reply from thranos: I- what? This ticket isn't about the AI.
2025-05-20 03:03:53: Reply from thranos: The ticket about the AI was last round, and was closed.
2025-05-20 03:04:41: Reply from thranos: I didn't "resolve the issue IC" with the AI last round, either.
2025-05-20 03:04:57: Reply from thranos: I welded off like three walls and surrendered to the CE.
2025-05-20 03:05:22: Reply from iansdoor: this ticket is really about all of last round as a whole. If you want to ask permission to resolution things IC, then thats one thing to get around the stay in your lane. But its whole different topic to ahelp something that clearly a rule 1 break of griefing, the next round and you resolved by killing them last round.
2025-05-20 03:06:30: Reply from thranos: I ahelped the Botanist and Geneticist because I saw they weren't antags and had been doing shit that was absolutely antag-level. This ticket is not about "last round as a whole", and I don't know where you're getting that. Nor did I "resolve it IC", as the Botanist was revived and released by sec and continued to make BS tomatoes, and I never fought the Geneticist at all.

Unfortunate part of my brain is that I see a whole picture rather than the individual parts. The ticket has split in what you are asking about the botanist and what I know isn't true about them. I did ticket with them, in hindsight been easier for me to mention that, but not everything is a direct need to know. I was a bit astounded that you would ahelp them after murdering them. Murdering someone IC is pretty big deal in my eyes. There were plenty of opportunities to shoot an ahelp to be in the clear and you were. The situation was a rule 1 grief, but going forward than that, let the man vibe. Your job was done in catching them and unrooting their plants yet you took the time to ensure that they couldn't bounce back and then offered no pity in the plasmaflood itself.

Sidenote, now that I realize who the hulk was in relation to you. I don't know you ahelped the situation that you started by paying them to break the knees of the CE and that prompted security to protect head of staff. They did a terrible job in such.

2025-05-20 03:06:45: Reply from iansdoor: CE also was not a great point for you either. I understand why you killed them and yelled out on the radio that syndicate for having the syndicate elite modsuit. Every time after that kept compounding an issue that made the game unfun for them and you were the clown. So is this an ahelp about them, what to do or are you trying to commit to keeping things IC as you have been doing?
2025-05-20 03:07:55: Reply from iansdoor: I do appreciate ahelps and direction, but you cannot IC resolve them if you are under the impression that the ooc rules are being broken. So hold back on that if you please.

This part is the full 9 yards for the round I saw and there is just more than I could have looked into if I didn't read the log window. I'll consider that option to be easier next time. The CE didn't have a good time and you were mostly the cause of such pain.

radio call outs, getting stuck in brig and eventually medical round removed them on the deception of your end. Since they didn't let you into AI sat early on.
To add on to this now, hiring folks to hurt them, and throwing bluespace tomato.

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01:18:09.637] Thranos "CE IS A TRAITOR BRIDGE" (Central Primary Hallway (119,151,2))
01:18:39.850] Thranos "CE DOWN" (Central Primary Hallway (115,150,2))
01:19:21.537] Thranos "The CE's batong" (Central Primary Hallway (129,145,2))
01:19:50.077] Thranos "FUCK YOU CE" (Medbay Treatment Center (145,125,2))
01:22:07.439] Thranos "So CE." (Brig (116,180,2))
01:22:29.949] Thranos "The CE was fisting people." (Brig (113,180,2))
01:23:33.654] Thranos "WHY DID YOU LET THE CE GO" (Brig (106,188,2))
01:26:02.300] Thranos "Also Amber didn't the CE fucking attack you?" (Brig (109,182,2))
01:26:18.153] Thranos "didn't the CE fucking attack you?" (Brig (118,178,2))
01:31:02.172] Thranos "Because sec let the blatant traitor CE who nearly killed them free." (Central Primary Hallway (108,151,2))
01:32:33.453] Thranos "I will pay you 1000 credits to beat the shit out of the CE." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,98,2))
01:46:30.544] Thranos "HOW WAS THE HULK VISIT, CE?" (Brig (118,176,2))
01:47:06.565] Thranos "CE's just made a death threat against me" (Fore Primary Hallway (118,172,2))
02:06:49.891] Thranos "CE's evil." (Brig (119,178,2))
02:23:16.521] Thranos "HMMMMMMMMMM IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE CE IS BAD LIKE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL SHIFT HMMMMMMMMMM." (Starboard Primary Hallway (134,138,2))
02:25:28.326] Thranos "I |TOLD YOU| the CE was evil! I |TOLD YOU| the AI was evil! Nobody ever LISTENS TO THE CLOWN!!" (Robotics Lab (170,133,2))

2025-05-20 03:07:55: Reply from iansdoor: I do appreciate ahelps and direction, but you cannot IC resolve them if you are under the impression that the ooc rules are being broken. So hold back on that if you please.
2025-05-20 03:08:02: Reply from thranos: This ticket is not about the CE. I never mentioned the CE. I never mentioned the AI. This ticket is not about the AI either. Why are you doing this?
2025-05-20 03:08:57: Reply from iansdoor: I had a ton of tickets around you in particular. I saw that most of it was IC, but now we are in ahelp ticket the next round and that doesn't sit right with me.
2025-05-20 03:10:19: Reply from thranos: Why are you just ignoring everything I've said and repeatedly bringing up unrelated topics in this ticket? This is about two players doing things unrelated to me outside of the one or two times I ran into them IC, in which I didn't "handle it IC", nor did I "ahelp and try to handle IC" (as I didn't ahelp them last round).
2025-05-20 03:12:40: Reply from iansdoor: I am sorry, you resolved botanist IC with a rolling pin and stamcrit and then whatever killed the CE multiple times. Was there anything else you wanted to chat about?
2025-05-20 03:13:04: Reply from thranos: YES THE THINGS I INITIALLY AHELPED INSTEAD OF ALL THESE RANDOM ACCUSATIONS YOU PULLED INTO THE TICKET FOR NO REASON?
2025-05-20 03:13:51: Reply from thranos: The Geneticist who kept hulking out and attacking sec and smashing walls, nonantag. The Botanist, WHO WAS HEALED and eventually served time in sec after I rolling pinned them AND KEPT MAKING MORE BS TOMATOES.

I will always appreciate ahelps and direction from them. There is a large disconnect between you and the admins, but in this case, it's me. I checked every death log and IC reasoning behind the interactions. They were pretty sound without bwoinking and interrupting the round more. To be honest, there wasn't enough prodding by myself as you get a chance to stare at what happened.
As I now have gone thru the logs, Geneticist conflict is related to you and that Botanist was just growing what they spent the round on, never left botany again.

2025-05-20 03:15:19: Reply from iansdoor: just to clarify for this ticket, how were they resolved? You were there and making jokes about the interaction.
2025-05-20 03:17:26: Reply from thranos: Security (Jeff Gaiman) gunned down the geneticist for like the eighth time at escape because he attacked them again, and left him to rot.
The Botanist was fried by the AI's plasmaflood, trapped in botany after he barricaded it from the inside to stop sec from easily raiding him again.
Is that what you mean by resolved?

I will say that CE was RR'ed by your call outs and wasn't happy with how much grief was done to them. The botanist got murdered by you and when they got back up and out of brig. They never left botany even in the plasmaflood. The geneticist got revived so many times in a row and security didn't mind since they kept lasering them and healing them. Their round ended in cuffs and colorful language toward security.
All three in common had you calling them bad traitors and antagonist for little to no IC reason.

2025-05-20 03:18:55: Reply from iansdoor: I am not going in circles about this. If you deal with someone IC while ahelping it. please stick to one method unless you are ahelping to resolve it IC without serious pushback towards the rules.
2025-05-20 03:19:25: Reply from thranos: I DID NOT FUCKING DEAL WITH THEM IC I DID NOT AHELP THEM
I AHELPED THE AI, THIS TICKET IS NOT ABOUT THE AI, AND THE TICKET ABOUT THE AI WAS CLOSED. THIS TICKET IS ABOUT THE BOTANIST AND GENETICIST. I DID NOT AHELP THEM DURING LAST ROUND.

Tldr. back to the full circle here, from the story and logs on my perspective, you resolved them mostly in IC murder, except for the hulk you hired. I should have mentioned that IC resolution to you and I do apologize for that the confusion, but ahelping a situation that you created rubs me pretty awful. This is related to botanist, CE and that AI. I will have to relearn how to approach folks or just pass the ticket along to the term. This was not my greatest ticket.

The callout rule for the Manuelcord only specifies "no names", which I followed. The only reason a resolution between myself and the CE wasn't seen in the Manuelcord was because of the near-immediate derail into "what the hell is with silicon policy" and "the AI had HOW MANY law changes?", which can briefly be seen in the images as well.

Also again, you are avoiding the CE situation, whom is reading what you are saying at that moment. You drop the four "names" and someone says "they need to be booted." also the same person that RR'ed CE. Now, I genuinely understand what that CE went thru with the round and I do agree that the round was even more awful for them.

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[Thranos]

CE ain't happy about the gloat or the kiss you threw at them and proceeds to push and kick you in the hallway.
The CE didn't have a good time and you were mostly the cause of such pain.
round removed them on the deception of your end. Since they didn't let you into AI sat early on.
I will say that CE was RR'ed by your call outs and wasn't happy with how much grief was done to them.

I would like to clarify that the kiss was because the HoS told us to "kiss and make up" or something along those lines.
I'm going to ignore all other accusations regarding myself and the CE from the rest of your post because they continue to not be involved whatsoever in the ticket, and the CE's player has already clarified that I didn't kill them, that I had settled differences with them, that the round removal from a third party was well after I had settled things with them, and that they had not ahelped me. I really do not understand why you keep bringing this up over and over again when it's unrelated to the ticket I made in the first place.

You meet a positronic sphere and do the classic funny help, I am being absorbed.

I would also like to clarify I wasn't making a false ling callout on comms, my sprite got fucked up and it looked like I was neck-deep in the window somehow.

you are punching some random assistant

Boxing glove clown activities, assuming you mean the assistant I was boxing at. Only does stamina damage.

That random assistant comes back into bar area, gets kicked out after hitting a pocket crowbar on someone. You start beating them to crit with a pocket crowbar, they get healed by wanted hulk you hired and passersby and you attempt to beat the assistant to crit again.

This assistant hit several people (me included) with a crowbar wordlessly, as I recall. Not exceptionally important to the greater picture of the round, but I would like to clarify this.

I understand that you were hit by a bluespace tomato and they threw 30 more randomly and also you lethalled them dead after a security stam critted, without any other prior interaction.

I was hit by a bluespace tomato (one of several which were thrown at various people by the botanist) and was teleported into the medical sec post.

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[2025-05-20 01:35:00.769]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 66)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (153,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:35:03.254]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit unanoxa/(Jameson Sullivan) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 86.6)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (153,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:35:09.754]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) has thrown the bluespace tomato . (Starboard Primary Hallway (153,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:35:09.917]GAME: mythicjavelin/(Silas Ward) has teleported from (Starboard Primary Hallway (156,138,2)) to (Robotics Lab (165,128,2))
[2025-05-20 01:35:09.933]ATTACK:[bluespace tomato] () hit  mythicjavelin/(Silas Ward) (NEWHP: 100)  (Robotics Lab (165,128,2))
[2025-05-20 01:35:14.062]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Someone's tossing bluespace tomatoes, watch out!" (Security Post - Medbay (151,133,2))
[2025-05-20 01:39:46.518]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit cboggs03/(Kayla Paulson) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (152,137,2))
[2025-05-20 01:42:59.851]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit scp9011/(Carnia IX) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 10.2)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (158,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:43:04.576]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit pileofgravel/(Victor Stone) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 99)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (158,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:43:10.089]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit frenjo/(Effigy Of The Fendahl) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (158,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:43:23.720]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit frenjo/(Effigy Of The Fendahl) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (158,139,2))

At this point, others began to notice this as well, and the tomatoes kept coming.

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[2025-05-20 01:43:27.342]GAME-SAY: krookodilehunter/(Nyla Foster) (mob_3190) "THE BOTANIST IS THROWING BLUESPACE TOMATOES AT PEOPLE" (Medbay Treatment Center (145,125,2))
[2025-05-20 01:43:36.355]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit conmen/(THE MOST ANTI ETHERAL CLEAN BOT) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 25)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (158,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:43:46.209]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit stoiclife/(Monty Elliot) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 92.5)  (Hydroponics (157,146,2))
[2025-05-20 01:53:44.534]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit tyaper/(Eugnorisma Ignita) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Hydroponics (158,146,2))
[2025-05-20 01:53:54.879]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit scp9011/(Carnia IX) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Hydroponics (157,144,2))
[2025-05-20 01:54:00.757]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit tyaper/(Eugnorisma Ignita) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Hydroponics (157,143,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:24.627]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit bastardblaster/(Li Wei) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,138,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:27.043]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit sonnzer/(Nicholas Perry) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 85)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,138,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:29.174]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit mizukiyoshino/(Cloey Jay) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 63)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,138,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:31.644]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit mizukiyoshino/(Cloey Jay) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 63)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (157,138,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:39.591]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) has thrown the bluespace tomato . (Starboard Primary Hallway (157,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:39.651]GAME: mizukiyoshino/(Cloey Jay) has teleported from (Starboard Primary Hallway (158,138,2)) to (Chief Medical Officer's Office (158,135,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:39.661]ATTACK:[bluespace tomato] () hit  mizukiyoshino/(Cloey Jay) (NEWHP: 63)  (Chief Medical Officer's Office (158,135,2))
[2025-05-20 01:57:52.184]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit admiralgigatron/(John Davinski) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 84)  (Hydroponics (157,143,2))
[2025-05-20 01:57:54.619]ATTACK:ozatlas/(Dane McDonohugh) (mob_5510) threw and hit bastardblaster/(Li Wei) with the bluespace tomato (NEWHP: 100)  (Hydroponics (157,143,2))

At this point, the very many people they kept tossing tomatoes at, which included me, begin to break into botany, led by Carnia IX in a RIPLEY drilling through his window.
In the ensuing clusterfuck, I manage to wind up in the kitchen freezer with him, and beat him to death as part of a running (teleporting?) fight, before finally calling sec as the chef walks in.

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[2025-05-20 01:58:31.596]GAME-SAY: metalclone/(Slade Darksteel) (mob_4422) "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!" (Kitchen (150,148,2))
[2025-05-20 01:58:52.892]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "SEC TO FREEZER" (Kitchen (151,151,2))

Medical arrives because dead guy, and I let them know what's up (well, they already did)

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[2025-05-20 01:59:35.876]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "you know what the botanist was doing?>" (Kitchen (149,141,2))
[2025-05-20 01:59:38.290]GAME-SAY: bastardblaster/(Li Wei) (mob_4702) "yes" (Starboard Primary Hallway (148,138,2))
[2025-05-20 01:59:39.869]GAME-SAY: bastardblaster/(Li Wei) (mob_4702) "tomatoes" (Starboard Primary Hallway (148,138,2))

I flag down a secoff and let them know what just went down, and where the botanist is.

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[2025-05-20 01:59:59.412]GAME-SAY: sonnzer/(Nicholas Perry) (mob_3219) "i err." (Central Primary Hallway (127,150,2))
[2025-05-20 01:59:59.713]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "got the botanist" (Central Primary Hallway (128,147,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:02.426]GAME-SAY: sonnzer/(Nicholas Perry) (mob_3219) "oh?" (Central Primary Hallway (128,149,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:04.630]GAME-SAY: sonnzer/(Nicholas Perry) (mob_3219) "what happened?" (Central Primary Hallway (128,149,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:04.830]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "yeah" (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:11.921]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "I beat him to death with a rolling pin." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:15.121]GAME-SAY: sonnzer/(Nicholas Perry) (mob_3219) "er." (Central Primary Hallway (128,148,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:20.124]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "After he tried to kill me." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:24.849]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "After we teleported around." (Central Primary Hallway (127,149,2))
[2025-05-20 02:00:37.993]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "Li Wei has him last I saw" (Central Primary Hallway (128,150,2))

you unrooted the plants while keeping the spare blue space tomatoes.

There's an unfortunate lack of logging on the next part:

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[2025-05-20 02:00:40.757]GAME-SAY: sonnzer/(Nicholas Perry) (mob_3219) "my treat." (Central Primary Hallway (128,149,2))

That's the security officer handing me back the bag of bluespace tomatoes that I attempted to hand over.
I followed this up by going to botany and obliterating any source of more tomatoes (seeds and trays), and taking what was left, as sec apparently just... didn't want them?
I stuffed what wouldn't fit in the bag into the biogenerator and turned them into biomass, and did the same with all the deathnettle. Yes, I did keep the spares, which I used a majority of to comically teleport around the brig while goofing around with the HoS.

So when you were trashing the trays, while I was trying to collect data of what was in them.

I had not ahelped them at this point, as I did not ahelp until the next round when I was made aware they were not, in fact, an antagonist despite the tomato-tossing and deathnettle mass production.
You had not informed me of this, nor was I (or could I have been) aware there was an admin investigating them at the time.

Your job was done in catching them and unrooting their plants yet you took the time to ensure that they couldn't bounce back and then offered no pity in the plasmaflood itself.

I caught them and uprooted only the bluespace tomatoes and deathnettles, and flushed the seeds for only them as well. No other action was taken to "ensure they didn't bounce back", I delivered them to medical and didn't strip them. And no, I offered no pity to them as they burned to death surrounded by their giant pile of deathnettle and bluespace tomatoes that they had instantly gone back to making after security released them. It was, frankly, poetic. I could have tried to get them out of there, but the shuttle was already extremely close to docking, and the fire had not spread to where I was at the time. Why would I risk dying and setting one of the safer routes to the shuttle on fire over someone that I had every reason to believe (at the time) was some form of antagonist?

I was a bit astounded that you would ahelp them after murdering them.

They were killed by me as part of a greater lynch mob for hurling a ton of bluespace tomatoes at people in the halls.
I ahelped the next round after seeing that they were not, in fact, an antagonist.
I have never once been told that you cannot ahelp someone you fought/killed in a round, nor have I seen any policy saying as such.

I don't know you ahelped the situation that you started by paying them to break the knees of the CE and that prompted security to protect head of staff.

The Geneticist had already been hulking out and smashing into places before I hired them. In fact, I flagged them down after they smashed into engineering to use the department lathe, and then smashed back out.
I specified to them to break the CE's legs, and stressed 'NO KILLING', before paying them up front.
I did not pay them or order them to attack sec let alone do so even after being killed multiple times.
I even offered them an easy out while talking to them about the job:

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[2025-05-20 01:32:33.453]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "I will pay you 1000 credits to beat the shit out of the CE." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,98,2))
[2025-05-20 01:33:10.533]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "No need to kill, just. Smack 'em up." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))
[2025-05-20 01:33:15.087]GAME-SAY: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) "You can even tell sec I made you do it." (Aft Primary Hallway (113,99,2))

They chose to not take the easy out and snitch on me, as well as to keep smashing walls and attacking sec even after the job was done.
I paid them up front, they could have just taken the money and run, even.

All three in common had you calling them bad traitors and antagonist for little to no IC reason.

Ignoring the CE, I had plenty of reason to consider the botanist "bad". See the above section of all the bluespace tomatoes being tossed.
However, regarding the geneticist- The reason I warned the CE about the "hulk ling" is because the Geneticist grabbed me and SPROUTED AN ARMBLADE in front of me.

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[2025-05-20 01:56:56.887]ATTACK:stoiclife/(Monty Elliot) (mob_5592) grabbed Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) passive grab (NEWHP: 87)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (138,139,2))
[2025-05-20 01:56:57.183]GAME-EMOTE: winkodi/(Reagan Bickerson) (mob_3218) laughs. (Nanotrasen Museum (125,43,4))
[2025-05-20 01:57:00.578]GAME-EMOTE: Thranos/(Syndicate Operative) (mob_3206) screams! (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,138,2))

This either didn't show up in logs, or was a hallucination from what appears to be a gas leak in the area going by all the people laughing. If it WAS a hallucination, then I suppose it was in fact a false call-out, but one made with sincerity. After all, I was still feuding with the CE at the time and dropped the pretense entirely to warn them about what I thought I'd just seen.

from the story and logs on my perspective, you resolved them mostly in IC murder, except for the hulk you hired.

I solved the IC side of things ICly, yes. That's why I didn't make a ticket during them, as the behaviour I was seeing was OOCly coming off as "oh that guy's a traitor or something, no way a nonantag would do that" in various degrees. This, again, is why I ahelped only after seeing at roundend that they were not, in fact, any form of antag.

ahelping a situation that you created rubs me pretty awful. This is related to botanist, CE and that AI.

I did not make the botanist grow bluespace tomatoes and start hurling them at random people in the halls.
I did create a situation with the AI and CE, however, yes.
A situation which I at no time ahelped.

I will have to relearn how to approach folks or just pass the ticket along to the term. This was not my greatest ticket.

I'm still extremely confused as to this entire ticket and your replies in this thread. You keep bringing up the same genuinely unrelated things which I never ahelped, keep talking about me having "IC resolved while an ahelp was open" despite me having only ahelped the AI during that round, and are just oddly aggressive and accusatory in general- outright accusing me of griefing several times, overstating or misrepresenting events, etc.

I really want to hope it was just a catastrophic failure in communication on one or both of our parts.