[iansdoor] Thranos - Bizarre, accusatory gaslighting in ahelp response

[Thranos]

When and where this incident occurred (Game Server, forums, Discord): Manuel
BYOND account and character name OR Discord name: Thranos, playing as Syndicate Operative (Clown)
Admin: Iansdoor
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 252393
Detailed summary:

During the previous round, I noticed two players doing what I assumed was antaggery. A botanist (Dane McDonohugh) was growing bluespace tomatoes and deathnettle, and tossing the tomatoes at people in the hall. He was later raided by sec, which I became involved in, ending with me teleported into the freezer with him and beating him to death with a rolling pin. He was revived in medical and sec (which was pretty overwhelmed) carted him off to go break rocks for a while. He later came back, barricaded himself into botany, and started doing the same exact thing. This was the total sum of my interaction with them. The last I saw of them was them burning to death in their own botany fortress due to the Malf AI setting it ablaze, which I commented on ICly as I watched them burn alive on a pyre fueled by their own murder plants- And screenshotted to share post-round in the Manuelcord.

The other person was a Geneticist (Monty Elliot) who had been running around with hulk since rather early on. I paid them 1000 credits to "beat up but not kill the CE" due to some IC beef the CE and I had developed that round. They did so, the CE kicked my ass a little, so on and so forth, nothing that escalated to murder. That was the last direct interaction I had with them, but several times over comms or firsthand in the halls, I saw them smashing into places and fighting sec to the death. The last I saw of them was Jeff Gaiman, a security officer, field executing them during their final hulk rampage in escape as the shuttle docked.

At round end, I saw that neither were antags of any form, and decided to ahelp the next round rather than delay roundend.
What followed is possibly the most instantly hostile and generally confusing ticket I've ever been in, in which I am repeatedly accused of things unrelated to the ticket, which I didn't do, or both, all while what I initially ahelped is completely ignored and the ticket is eventually closed without addressing the issue it was created over, with a parting shot of the same accusation that had been made throughout.

From Ticket #1 during round 252393 on manuel:

---- Log Begins ----
2025-05-20 02:47:44: Ticket Opened by thranos: Last round, Dane McDonohugh the Botanist was making a ton of maxpot deathnettles and bluespace tomatoes, the latter of which he was tossing at people in the halls for some reason. I assumed he was an antag, but roundend says otherwise. Also, Monty Elliot the Geneticist kept hulking out and attacking sec + smashing through walls and such, again nonantag, and again assumed they were an antag until I saw roundend report.
2025-05-20 02:54:19: Reply from iansdoor: aye aye aye, I didn't appreciate ya breaking down the things I was looking at when you were doing getting your valid upon them. There is an issue of Ahelping and then resolving them also in IC. Don't do both and pick one.
2025-05-20 02:57:08: Reply from thranos: I was trashing their trays so they would stop making a morbillion BS tomatoes to be annoying with, not "to get my valids". Nor is griefing (which is what it looked like) an issue that can be "resolved IC". Nor did I ahelp last round about them, so how exactly could I have "ahelped and then resolved the issue IC"?
2025-05-20 03:00:11: Reply from iansdoor: no, you are doing an ahelp ticket and then also resolving the issue IC via rule 4 when admins are chatting with them. Please do one or the other, don't do both if its not a clear sign from the admin to stick to IC.
2025-05-20 03:01:11: Reply from thranos: What are you talking about??? This was LAST ROUND. I didn't ahelp them last round. [4. Lone antagonists are unbound by (most) rules.]??????

You're not making any sense
2025-05-20 03:03:11: Reply from iansdoor: did you want me to pull up the tickets? How many times you try to kill that AI when you were a non-human? things like this. I realize that and was okay with you killing the botanist with that roller pin after security used disabler beams. But to be honest, that is an IC solution, I am not sure why you ahelped it after the fact.
2025-05-20 03:03:40: Reply from thranos: I- what? This ticket isn't about the AI.
2025-05-20 03:03:53: Reply from thranos: The ticket about the AI was last round, and was closed.
2025-05-20 03:04:41: Reply from thranos: I didn't "resolve the issue IC" with the AI last round, either.
2025-05-20 03:04:57: Reply from thranos: I welded off like three walls and surrendered to the CE.
2025-05-20 03:05:22: Reply from iansdoor: this ticket is really about all of last round as a whole. If you want to ask permission to resolution things IC, then thats one thing to get around the stay in your lane. But its whole different topic to ahelp something that clearly a rule 1 break of griefing, the next round and you resolved by killing them last round.
2025-05-20 03:06:30: Reply from thranos: I ahelped the Botanist and Geneticist because I saw they weren't antags and had been doing shit that was absolutely antag-level. This ticket is not about "last round as a whole", and I don't know where you're getting that. Nor did I "resolve it IC", as the Botanist was revived and released by sec and continued to make BS tomatoes, and I never fought the Geneticist at all.
2025-05-20 03:06:45: Reply from iansdoor: CE also was not a great point for you either. I understand why you killed them and yelled out on the radio that syndicate for having the syndicate elite modsuit. Every time after that kept compounding an issue that made the game unfun for them and you were the clown. So is this an ahelp about them, what to do or are you trying to commit to keeping things IC as you have been doing?
2025-05-20 03:07:55: Reply from iansdoor: I do appreciate ahelps and direction, but you cannot IC resolve them if you are under the impression that the ooc rules are being broken. So hold back on that if you please.
2025-05-20 03:08:02: Reply from thranos: This ticket is not about the CE. I never mentioned the CE. I never mentioned the AI. This ticket is not about the AI either. Why are you doing this?
2025-05-20 03:08:57: Reply from iansdoor: I had a ton of tickets around you in particular. I saw that most of it was IC, but now we are in ahelp ticket the next round and that doesn't sit right with me.
2025-05-20 03:10:19: Reply from thranos: Why are you just ignoring everything I've said and repeatedly bringing up unrelated topics in this ticket? This is about two players doing things unrelated to me outside of the one or two times I ran into them IC, in which I didn't "handle it IC", nor did I "ahelp and try to handle IC" (as I didn't ahelp them last round).
2025-05-20 03:12:40: Reply from iansdoor: I am sorry, you resolved botanist IC with a rolling pin and stamcrit and then whatever killed the CE multiple times. Was there anything else you wanted to chat about?
2025-05-20 03:13:04: Reply from thranos: YES THE THINGS I INITIALLY AHELPED INSTEAD OF ALL THESE RANDOM ACCUSATIONS YOU PULLED INTO THE TICKET FOR NO REASON?
2025-05-20 03:13:51: Reply from thranos: The Geneticist who kept hulking out and attacking sec and smashing walls, nonantag. The Botanist, WHO WAS HEALED and eventually served time in sec after I rolling pinned them AND KEPT MAKING MORE BS TOMATOES.
2025-05-20 03:15:19: Reply from iansdoor: just to clarify for this ticket, how were they resolved? You were there and making jokes about the interaction.
2025-05-20 03:17:26: Reply from thranos: Security (Jeff Gaiman) gunned down the geneticist for like the eighth time at escape because he attacked them again, and left him to rot.

The Botanist was fried by the AI's plasmaflood, trapped in botany after he barricaded it from the inside to stop sec from easily raiding him again.

Is that what you mean by resolved?
2025-05-20 03:18:02: Reply from thranos: And again, I didn't ahelp either of these people last round because I assumed they were outright antags due to the things they were doing.
2025-05-20 03:18:55: Reply from iansdoor: I am not going in circles about this. If you deal with someone IC while ahelping it. please stick to one method unless you are ahelping to resolve it IC without serious pushback towards the rules.
2025-05-20 03:19:25: Reply from thranos: I DID NOT FUCKING DEAL WITH THEM IC I DID NOT AHELP THEM
2025-05-20 03:19:35: Closed by iansdoor
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This ticket can be viewed here: https://statbus.space/tickets/public/42 ... 2fc6390ccb
This ticket was generated by Statbus v.2.0.15

Yes, I know I got a bit hostile back near the end, but after being run in circles and accused from the very start, I'd like to hope that's at least a little understandable.

[iansdoor]

```I AHELPED THE AI, THIS TICKET IS NOT ABOUT THE AI, AND THE TICKET ABOUT THE AI WAS CLOSED. THIS TICKET IS ABOUT THE BOTANIST AND GENETICIST. I DID NOT AHELP THEM DURING LAST ROUND.```
is the message you sent after I closed your ticket.

Headmin have notified.

[AdmiralGigatron]

Yo, CE from that round here. Thranos never actually fully killed me- sure, he did yell a lot "CE IS A TRAITOR" but the first time that got me in trouble I was beaten to deep crit and robbed by a crowd of randos looking for their valid salad (Thranos only helped for a second, didnt even rob me, he even thought I truly was evil because he thought I attacked a secoff), the next time I had an encounter was the hulked geneticist he hired to break my knee, and the last time was when his shenanigans of yelling "CE IS A TOT" finally truly caught up when some doc decided to round remove me because I happened to be dead and he thought I was evil (Yes, it had been cleared I wasn't, but Thebiblemelts had already made a ruling and blah blah blah that isn't related) (also, he had stopped by then, we settled our differences. but there was a curator shouting that shit still, so I doubt Thranos was even the main contributor to that doctor's beliefs)

all in all, Thranos never laid a murderous finger on me, let alone murdered me several times (I only died twice that shift even, once to game lag and the SM, second to AI and the round removal)
just a douchebag finger (fuckin clowns man)

I literally made this account like 5 minutes ago too so don't expect many replies, idfk what I'm doing here, barely know how to reply. just came to speak up

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[iansdoor]

Yo, CE from that round here. Thranos never actually fully killed me- sure, he did yell a lot "CE IS A TRAITOR" but the first time that got me in trouble I was beaten to deep crit and robbed by a crowd of randos looking for their valid salad (Thranos only helped for a second, didnt even rob me, he even thought I truly was evil because he thought I attacked a secoff), the next time I had an encounter was the hulked geneticist he hired to break my knee, and the last time was when his shenanigans of yelling "CE IS A TOT" finally truly caught up when some doc decided to round remove me because I happened to be dead and he thought I was evil (Yes, it had been cleared I wasn't, but Thebiblemelts had already made a ruling and blah blah blah that isn't related) (also, he had stopped by then, we settled our differences. but there was a curator shouting that shit still, so I doubt Thranos was even the main contributor to that doctor's beliefs)

all in all, Thranos never laid a murderous finger on me, let alone murdered me several times (I only died twice that shift even, once to game lag and the SM, second to AI and the round removal)
just a douchebag finger (fuckin clowns man)

I do appreciate your side of the story and some form of resolution with each other. Adding on to the main issue here is that you were reasonably valided and called out in-game quite a lot that lead to your own frustration of that round, and then you were called out on that Manuel Discord to which you had to go through more hoops to calm down the sentiment that has been plaguing Manuel, that being declared as a server griefer. The new rule addition on the Manuel discord is no callouts as that isn't something that is allowed on TG discord either.

I literally made this account like 5 minutes ago too so don't expect many replies, idfk what I'm doing here, barely know how to reply. just came to speak up

This is a curious question to ask, as I don't see anywhere on the Manuel Discord of this admin complaint, did thranos direct message you to reply with your side to this admin complaint?

[iansdoor]

For the readers, I'll explain my thoughts with the ticket in a moment as I am currently getting all the logs layered together as there is a lot to unpack from a 2 and half hour manuel round.
The main point will be that if you ahelp, which you may freely ask at anytime, about something that deals in ooc rule breaks and then while admin is searching the logs and chatting with folks, you decide to get an IC resolution to deal with the OOC frustration. The ahelp situation becomes a moot point. When I mentioned repeatedly as you didn't ahelp then only after the round, you went out of your way as a clown to reenact revenge for the slightest frustration. This part utterly confuses me when you confirm your valids with rule 4.

[Thranos]

For the readers, I'll explain my thoughts with the ticket in a moment as I am currently getting all the logs layered together as there is a lot to unpack from a 2 and half hour manuel round.
The main point will be that if you ahelp, which you may freely ask at anytime, about something that deals in ooc rule breaks and then while admin is searching the logs and chatting with folks, you decide to get an IC resolution to deal with the OOC frustration. The ahelp situation becomes a moot point. When I mentioned repeatedly as you didn't ahelp then only after the round, you went out of your way as a clown to reenact revenge for the slightest frustration. This part utterly confuses me when you confirm your valids with rule 4.

I ahelped about the Botanist and the Geneticist the next round. I never ahelped them during the round where I interacted with them, as I didn't know they were non-antags until the roundend screen came up, having assumed they were antags from the sheer amount of stuff they were doing.
As far as "IC resolution" for... the ahelps I never made... I beat the shit out of the Botanist after they threw a bluespace tomato at me and caused chain of events where I was stuck in the freezer with them during a sec raid on Botany.
They were revived, gulagged, and came back after breaking rocks only to die in a plasmafire, trapped in their own fortified workspace. This is what you can see me commenting on in the Manuelcord screenshots about poetic death.

I never "IC resolved" the Geneticist, either. My interaction with them was paying them 1000 credits to break the CE's kneecaps, and watching them get gunned down by sec like eight times for going on various hulk rampages.

The screenshots from the Manuelcord that you posted also (understandably) lack my further communication with the CE's player in DMs figuring out what went down with them (horrendous miscommunication + unfortunate coincidences). Later, after the ticket seen above, I asked if they had ahelped me, to which they said "no". I then spoke with them briefly about the ticket, yes, because it claims that I had killed them several times, and I wanted to double-check with them to make sure I wasn't misremembering things, as it had left me very confused. I did also ask if they could chime in as an involved party to contest part of the claims in this admin complaint.

Likewise, the Manuelcord screenshots also lack the context about the AI, wherein shortly after the last image posted, there was a derail about the horrendously confusing Asimov vs Asimov++ Silicon Policy, which was to blame for my (and everyone else's) woes with the first AI (Overwatch). (It's really confusing but that's a topic for a policy thread, not here.)

The callout rule for the Manuelcord only specifies "no names", which I followed. The only reason a resolution between myself and the CE wasn't seen in the Manuelcord was because of the near-immediate derail into "what the hell is with silicon policy" and "the AI had HOW MANY law changes?", which can briefly be seen in the images as well.

[Thranos]

My main issue here, which is something that you still seem to be misunderstanding, is that this ticket was made the round after the one involving the CE/AI/etc. I did not ahelp anyone involved in my initial post for this ticket during that round, either (Geneticist/Botanist).
I did not "decide to get an IC resolution to deal with the OOC frustration" "while admin is searching the logs and chatting with folks". I could not have. The ahelp was made during a different round.