BYOND account: Ispiria
Ban/note type Server perma
Ban/note duration: Perma
Ban/note reason: Byond won't connect at all now so I can't pull the specific reason given
Time ban was placed: See above
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 252213
Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes): I believe there was a misunderstanding where my intent was believed to be far more malicious and targeted than it was.
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
(X) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
(X) - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?: Hi! So basically, I got ran over by the tram while in the middle of a very involved construction project that had already taken quite a while and was nearing completion. As soon as I woke up in medbay, I started malding a bit about the tram and said what were, to me at least, obviously rhetorical and hyperbolic comments about knowing the person who made the station and wanting to slice their neck open. My character is a widely known pacifist with a number of fragile quirks and I habitually make exaggerative threats of violence that I can't actually perform as kind of a playful juxtaposition.
It was then, however, raised to me as a concern that I might have meant this in an OOC way and was deliberately targeting the mapper/coder/admin/whoever designed Tram. I don't actually know who this person or persons was or is, and was playing off my character's fairly well known tendency to make friends with everybody they ever encounter, then using morbid overkill to describe my spite at having been crushed by the tram, which is why my comments were vaguely about 'having known who they were' rather than any specific names. I was then perma'd.
I recognize, in hindsight, how this could've been seen as an actual malicious threat made against the mappers of Tramstation, which I insisted in the ahelp as I insist here is not the case. I have a long history with tg and am in fact friendly with a number of admins both old and new, and have never and would never wish genuine harm upon any of them, especially over something as silly and well-known to be a deathtrap as the tram. I apologize for choosing language to describe my spiteful fury towards the tram which may have conveyed sincere negative emotion or ill intent, and will moderate my choice of phrasing in future to better disambiguate that my anger is more directed towards the fact that I got ran over rather than towards the person behind building the tram in the first place.
Tangentially related, but during the ahelp it sounded almost as though Maxipat had taken my comments personally, and if they were in fact one of the people involved in Tramstation's development, I'd like to sincerely apologize to them specifically for my poorly chosen and aggressive phrasing. I don't hate or even dislike you or Tram, and would absolutely never wish any actual harm upon you or anyone else for any reason, let alone for designing a map in spacegame. My words were born of brief in-character frustration at my construction project having been delayed further when it was so near to completion, and I'm sorry for saying them in such a way as to appear like a personal malicious attack. I won't speak so aggressively again.
Thanks for reading!
[Maxipat] Ispiria - Permatrammed
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Ispiria
- Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:25 pm
- Byond Username: Ispiria
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Thunder11
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Re: [Maxipat] Ispiria - Permatrammed
R1 - wished death to tramstation's creator after being hit by a tram. "Tramstation is repugnant and I wish a swift death upon the person who designed it" "I know who made it, too" "I was personally friends with them" "I want to slice their neck wide open". We take death threats REALLY seriously.
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Maxipat
- Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:02 pm
- Byond Username: Maxipat
Re: [Maxipat] Ispiria - Permatrammed
Hi! Thanks for appealing. I do appreciate you're apologizing.
I'll first put out the ban reason and the relevant logs:
Ban reason:
Relevant logs (cut to only the issue part)
Bluntly, how do i verify that you really didn't mean the person OOC. You went on talking about how you know them and how you two were friends (which i did consult adminbus on whether its only me who reads it as ooc targetted), then say completely otherwise in here and the ticket. You not explicitly namedropping is irrelevant here, since you did name it as "person who made tramstation", not who "made the tram", if it was the latter i could not read it in any other way than some centcomm entity that designed the tram itself, but it does seem damning, on top of painfully detailed description on what you would do to them.
We deal with a lot of hate towards mappers, both oocly and icly, to the point entire mapping team is discouraged from creating more content for us. And we dont tolerate death threats, historically this can be proven during "terry funeral incident" where several people ate a ban for telling an admin to off themselves. I'll list some of the ban reasons from then:
They all ate an immediate permaban, two people (one not listed here) didn't explicitly name any person, just "centcomm". How do i know this is not the case here?
I do again appreciate apologizing, i'll keep it in mind.
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I'll first put out the ban reason and the relevant logs:
Ban reason:
Ticket:R1 - wished death to tramstation's creator after being hit by a tram. "Tramstation is repugnant and I wish a swift death upon the person who designed it" "I know who made it, too" "I was personally friends with them" "I want to slice their neck wide open". We take death threats REALLY seriously.
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We deal with a lot of hate towards mappers, both oocly and icly, to the point entire mapping team is discouraged from creating more content for us. And we dont tolerate death threats, historically this can be proven during "terry funeral incident" where several people ate a ban for telling an admin to off themselves. I'll list some of the ban reasons from then:
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I do again appreciate apologizing, i'll keep it in mind.
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I was not involved in mapping for tg ever (for now).Ispiria wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:15 pm Tangentially related, but during the ahelp it sounded almost as though Maxipat had taken my comments personally, and if they were in fact one of the people involved in Tramstation's development, I'd like to sincerely apologize to them specifically for my poorly chosen and aggressive phrasing. I don't hate or even dislike you or Tram, and would absolutely never wish any actual harm upon you or anyone else for any reason, let alone for designing a map in spacegame.
This is a preventative Forum User message to try and stop a perceived issue escalating before it ever really starts, and does not prevent the headmins from taking a different opinion and deleting my post. No formal action is being taken. No reply to this post is necessary. If you want to discuss the matter further, use forum PMs with me, but I have nothing else to say so I wouldn't waste the time.
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Ispiria
- Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:25 pm
- Byond Username: Ispiria
Re: [Maxipat] Ispiria - Permatrammed
I suppose, in complete honesty, you can't know that I didn't mean any specific OOC individuals with my raving, because all you'll ever really have to go on is my word and my history. I understand the need to take things like this extremely seriously, and had I actually meant anything line-crossing with what I said I'd probably be pretty ashamed of myself and not bother to appeal at all.
As it stands, however, it was solely the circumstances of the round and a bit of in-character venting, after which I went right back to doing what I had been with no lingering or further griping. I was laid up in medbay for a few minutes with a couple broken bones and ranted a little bit to pass the time in a manner that I thought was comically overkill, but there was no serious malice in any of it, which my tone both in the ahelp and here, I'm satisfied to say, does a reasonable job conveying.
I've been out of touch with tg for a few years and wasn't quite aware the level of vitriol mappers have been made to deal with, since I'm not involved in that part of the community at all, and I apologize again for having even inadvertently contributed to it. I can see how my words could easily be interpreted as targeted but assure you that wasn't the case, and I won't speak like that again going forward.
As it stands, however, it was solely the circumstances of the round and a bit of in-character venting, after which I went right back to doing what I had been with no lingering or further griping. I was laid up in medbay for a few minutes with a couple broken bones and ranted a little bit to pass the time in a manner that I thought was comically overkill, but there was no serious malice in any of it, which my tone both in the ahelp and here, I'm satisfied to say, does a reasonable job conveying.
I've been out of touch with tg for a few years and wasn't quite aware the level of vitriol mappers have been made to deal with, since I'm not involved in that part of the community at all, and I apologize again for having even inadvertently contributed to it. I can see how my words could easily be interpreted as targeted but assure you that wasn't the case, and I won't speak like that again going forward.
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Ispiria
- Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:25 pm
- Byond Username: Ispiria
Re: [Maxipat] Ispiria - Permatrammed
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I can see why it might be easy to point to examples of linecrossing behavior and ask how you could know that mine is different, but it's important not to overlook what differences actually exist, and not to conflate the two when judging my intent.
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Maxipat
- Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:02 pm
- Byond Username: Maxipat
Re: [Maxipat] Ispiria - Permatrammed
Okay so, i've slept on it, thought about it a bit more, asked around for some stuff and came to a conclusion.
I am not entirely convinced you actually didn't mean it towards tramstation's creator, testimonies from peanut seem to have a common pattern of you blending or breaking the ic/ooc barrier when you're upset or mad at something, which would also apply here. We also have you going at Sonnzer in manuelcord just because he was mean to you (or your friend? not sure) in-game as a character, to the point he made a remark that he feels "uninvited" to the server if he doesn't join whatever rp gimmick you're hosting in a round. We also have a very low severity remark of you disliking tram in the past:
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I also couldn't find any proof of you acting in a way you described
While you'd be right that the context of terry funeral is wildly different (a basically ooc event vs you throwing remarks into medbay's void), the similarity still is there, as some people banned never named the particular ckey or person, just the centcomm entity, like here, here or here.
Basically all signs and patterns of behavior convince me that in fact this was an outburts of irritation targetted at tramstation's creator, 2nd chances are, however, free.
I am going to be willing to lower the ban to 1 month from the moment it was placed. You can always ask for a headmin review if you disagree with it.
We take death threats awfully seriously, we note people for those even if they're excessive while obviously IC. I do appreciate you apologized, but the person who you should apologize to is tramstation's creator not me, I doubt they'd be very happy with such remarks especially when we had people sending death threats to creators of less liked maps. Please, if you're going to have violent outbursts at least make them worded in a way that they can undoubtedly not be treated as anything else than IC.
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I am not entirely convinced you actually didn't mean it towards tramstation's creator, testimonies from peanut seem to have a common pattern of you blending or breaking the ic/ooc barrier when you're upset or mad at something, which would also apply here. We also have you going at Sonnzer in manuelcord just because he was mean to you (or your friend? not sure) in-game as a character, to the point he made a remark that he feels "uninvited" to the server if he doesn't join whatever rp gimmick you're hosting in a round. We also have a very low severity remark of you disliking tram in the past:
. I also couldn't find any proof of you acting in a way you described
we had an admin go through all of your game logs from 1st to the 9th of May and they couldn't find anything close to it.
While you'd be right that the context of terry funeral is wildly different (a basically ooc event vs you throwing remarks into medbay's void), the similarity still is there, as some people banned never named the particular ckey or person, just the centcomm entity, like here, here or here.
Basically all signs and patterns of behavior convince me that in fact this was an outburts of irritation targetted at tramstation's creator, 2nd chances are, however, free.
I am going to be willing to lower the ban to 1 month from the moment it was placed. You can always ask for a headmin review if you disagree with it.
We take death threats awfully seriously, we note people for those even if they're excessive while obviously IC. I do appreciate you apologized, but the person who you should apologize to is tramstation's creator not me, I doubt they'd be very happy with such remarks especially when we had people sending death threats to creators of less liked maps. Please, if you're going to have violent outbursts at least make them worded in a way that they can undoubtedly not be treated as anything else than IC.
E: formatting
This is a preventative Forum User message to try and stop a perceived issue escalating before it ever really starts, and does not prevent the headmins from taking a different opinion and deleting my post. No formal action is being taken. No reply to this post is necessary. If you want to discuss the matter further, use forum PMs with me, but I have nothing else to say so I wouldn't waste the time.
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