lrp shuttle call conflicts

[Longestarmlonglaw]

When antags do something exciting

CALL IT WE CANT FIX DAMAGE

when antags didn't do anything yet:

CALL IT IM BORED (to antag roll)

[massa]

worst is xenos

at least try to organize and fight them, calling them immediately is so lame. full no xeno infestations and xeno wars (that the shuttle still gets called quick enough on, just not without a fight i wish) are the most fun shit in the game 100% and open up so much shit like ERT and deathsquads

"(insert antag here)" is not a reason to leave the game. we are playing the game for the antags, why end it the instant they are identified?

[Boot]

Maybe I don't come to the LRP server to do roleplay for an hour and a half while the 3 thieves sit on their hoard. If the station hasn't had any major threats after an hour I don't see the harm in asking for a shuttle vote.

[datorangebottle]

there are some situations that warrant a shuttle call as soon as they happen, as long as it's understood that the shuttle is recalled if the problem is solved and enough time is allowed. sometimes it just pisses me off, though.

>cult discovered
>not even at eyes yet
>CALL THE SHUTTLE OR WE COULD IN THEORY LOSE

this is fucking stupid and i hate it. it's one of the only situations crew regularly aims to redtext the antagonist in the most out of character way possible.

nukies, xenos, and revs all deserve a minimum of green alert shuttle calls, though.
at the end of the average nukie/rev round, the station is fucked up and nobody's in a position to call the shuttle. it's been bombed multiple times, the heads of staff are dead, dying, or hiding, etc. and the AI is generally dead or subverted.
also fighting xenos is absolute cancer, because they have all the resilience of a cult with even more bullshit stacked on top.

[cacogen]

You just shouldn’t be able to call it unless a certain amount of time has passed (e.g. 90 minutes), or certain special requirements are met (e.g. war ops, but only after 20 minutes), or a certain death/braindeath/catatonia rate has been reached among crew.

[Pandarsenic]

there are some situations that warrant a shuttle call as soon as they happen, as long as it's understood that the shuttle is recalled if the problem is solved and enough time is allowed. sometimes it just pisses me off, though.

>cult discovered
>not even at eyes yet
>CALL THE SHUTTLE OR WE COULD IN THEORY LOSE

You should immediately call the shuttle to force them to use the item that lets them delay the shuttle instead of a better item from the same thing

[datorangebottle]

You should immediately call the shuttle to force them to use the item that lets them delay the shuttle instead of a better item from the same thing

Here's the thing: that's fucking boring.

[PKPenguin321]

ahelp and ask an admin to centcomm recall it if it was a reallllll shitty call where things were just getting good

[Googles_Hands]

Admins should in general recall more often if they feel the round would benefit from going on a little longer.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Staying is as much a decision as leaving if you want to knuckle down to fight/build even if the shuttle called, or want a personal 'out' of a awkward gameplay loop the round will just end unsatisfactorily. Making the ship loop round and round until a crisis is over so everyone who doesn't want to join in can take leave by letting them log-out and return to lobby in their shuttle-seats would really help ease gamemode abruptness.

Big gripe, been around since forever, a perpetual bane to servers who have any sort of equatable mechanic.

[Alphanerdd]

Admins should in general recall more often if they feel the round would benefit from going on a little longer.

Idk I've been in rounds where the entire station wanted to leave but admins kept recalling the shuttle every time.

I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but if it does admins should provide a clear reason (in character as centcom).

[massa]

ahelp and ask an admin to centcomm recall it if it was a reallllll shitty call where things were just getting good

literally every single time someone identifies a cult, wizard, or xenos, the shuttle gets called within 30 seconds for the reason: "cult" "wiz" or "xenos". any time a xeno infestation rolls the shuttle arrives basically by the time the queen is big or the first babies are about to be born

We can't ahelp it because it happens every round some of these appear. You guys need actual policy that states 'x antag' is not a reason to call without extensive damage or crew vote or something. "Heretics" are often a reason for a shuttle call, who never do anything. the only acceptable one is "nukies"

[Notgonnabreaktherule]

the only good reasons for calling the shuttle are if theres a threat command doesnt think the station can take (in which case green alert it unless you're 100% sure the threat is going to annihlate everyone with no chances of survival) or if the station is broken beyond repair (most of the crew is dead, half the station is destroyed, etc)

[PKPenguin321]

We can't ahelp it

Sure you can, I give you permission to. Tell em PKPenguin321 sent you

[massa]

We can't ahelp it

Sure you can, I give you permission to. Tell em PKPenguin321 sent you

i will unironically, thank you

[Timberpoes]

My understanding as a maintainer is that the players decide when the shuttle gets called and the round ends.

My understanding as an admin is that it's the admin team's job to make sure this freedom to call for any reason and at any time isn't being abused to ruin antag rounds, antag roll, stubbed toe call, 100% valid kill speedrun gg go next, etc.

REALLY lame shuttle calls may fall under Rule 12 when done to speedrun the shift ending at the expense of a majority of the other players. Rule 1 always exists in the background to deal with lame shuttle calls too if Rule 12 doesn't apply.

Speaking individually, I fully suppot admins handling lame shuttle calls either OOCly (if really bad, for example to antag roll) or ICly (if you want the round to play out a bit longer or if the shuttle was called the second an antag type was spotted and you want to give them more of a chance to actually play their antags) at their own discretion.

[Pandarsenic]

Realistically, I have 2 problems with sending back very early shuttle calls

One, which honestly we're MUCH better about these days, is that nobody tries to fix shit, even when it's only light damage.
Two, which we're much worse about, is that we never have any fucking security... but with it being so much harder to break into places and stunstation13 being nerfed, it's much harder for tiders, heads of staff, and other miscellaneous militia spacefolks to gear up for a fight and put up real resistance if security is absent or the first ones dead.

[Vekter]

You should immediately call the shuttle to force them to use the item that lets them delay the shuttle instead of a better item from the same thing

Here's the thing: that's fucking boring.

[cacogen]

One, which honestly we're MUCH better about these days, is that nobody tries to fix shit, even when it's only light damage.

I can't count the number of times I've gone to the effort to fix a breach or atmos only for it to be called anyway or not recalled once it's clear it's being worked on. Sometimes these things can take 20 minutes, and the crew would rather end the round than wait that long (even when the station is still functional and it wouldn't kill them to do so).

[Helios]

There needs to be a better way to handle fights over the shuttle
Comm console tennis, where it goes back and forth has been a long problem in SS13.
Here's an idea for a solution.
In a 10 minute block, if the shuttle has been called, recalled, then called again, the ID authentication console (that are swiped on for red alert alarm level) enter a standby mode.
If a majority of them are green, the shuttle will continue to arrive and cannot be recalled.
If a majority of them are red, the shuttle can be recalled.
Any head can swipe them, left click makes it green, right click makes it red.

[Pandarsenic]

One, which honestly we're MUCH better about these days, is that nobody tries to fix shit, even when it's only light damage.

I can't count the number of times I've gone to the effort to fix a breach or atmos only for it to be called anyway or not recalled once it's clear it's being worked on. Sometimes these things can take 20 minutes, and the crew would rather end the round than wait that long (even when the station is still functional and it wouldn't kill them to do so).

I don't really get why people do that. With the blueprints or whatever, it's easier than ever to actually figure out where everything was supposed to be and get it back in shape.

[iwishforducks]

it's best to call it early with major threats because you can't guarantee that there will be someone alive to call the shuttle. it also puts the antags on the offensive which is the most important thing and is an extremely good thing. if people didn't call shuttles FNR then shuttle recalling shouldn't be a thing at all because antags will recall when half the station is dead

[Screemonster]

Add xeno, cult or traitor goals to "capture the station intact" and hand them the victory if the crew immediately panic and ditch the station without defeating them in any meaningful way

similar to hijack, if the only people still aboard the station when the shuttle docks at centcom are antags or braindead (or at least, all the heads of staff have abandoned the station or died) then the antags win

someone might get clever and think "aha but if we call the shuttle and don't get on it then we can fight what's left of the cult and stop them capturing the station" but then some lone dude sneaks onto the shuttle and wins a hijack

or maybe just have it trigger if the shuttle fucks off while the antags are still at full strength, like the wizard is still alive or whatever

[jortsandshirts]

Can we force shuttle calls after three hours during lowpop because the round is being forced to march on with 80% of the living SSD. Painful to sit around while the round consists of nothing but one person hand delivering mail to unresponsive people/departments and two others trying to figure out robotics.

[Jonathan Gupta]

Can we force shuttle calls after three hours during lowpop because the round is being forced to march on with 80% of the living SSD. Painful to sit around while the round consists of nothing but one person hand delivering mail to unresponsive people/departments and two others trying to figure out robotics.

is that the 45 angle ASSAULT RIFLE AS YOUR PFP? THAT SHIT WOULD SHOOT THROUGH THE BARREL AND FUCK IT UP!