okay sir/madam/preferred pronoun, how would you like your mock meat done?

[IkeTG]

Bottom post of the previous page:

everyone in this thread is a beautiful lady we do not need to fight anymore

[ManyBones]

*citation needed

I don't know if you was refering to sticky's post or mine, but whatever, here you have some:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10. ... 3809337162
https://web.archive.org/web/20120314160 ... citra1.pdf
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf ... .tb01269.x
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... 04.10004.x
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 4670000443
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10. ... 3807301926
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10. ... 3808318061
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epd ... .tb01160.x

And I could keep citing articless all day, ketogenic diets have a lot of adverse effects, long term and short term. These studies are all in epileptic children because is a posible treatment for that. And keep in mind that all of those are about the short them ones, but there is a lot of empirical evidence of the long term ones that I said before. Seriously, don't go keto.

You won't accept anything less than meat is equal to human murder. You're a hard line.

He litterally said that human lives are worth more that animal ones.

Your arguments are suffering is caused but demand eradication because the state the livestock are in is suffering.

>People start breeding animals uncontrollably because "MUUHHHH MA MEAT" >You want to stop that because it's unethical and a form of slavery
People: -"BUT THATS PURGING, YOU VEGANS WERE THE REAL BAD PERSONS ALL THIS TIME"
Wtf man

[onleavedontatme]

Not forcing creatures to breed is genocide and you basically murder all those potential lives with your bare hands if you don't

[The Clowns Pocket]

misgender all trannies. they are traitors to the white race

[Stickymayhem]

It's not a strawman.

Kor's claiming animals need equal rights to humans by saying other people are bad for not wanting that.

Your worldview is terrifying. You want other people to stop eating meat because you're offended. You won't accept anything less than meat is equal to human murder. You're a hard line. Your arguments are suffering is caused but demand eradication because the state the livestock are in is suffering.

I never said animals have equal rights to a human. They suffer less so they are worth less. A human life is more important than a cows, but 15 minutes of pleasure on your tastebuds is not worth the life of an animal.

You may legitimately be broken. I want people to stop eating meat the same way I want people not to beat the shit out of their spouses. I don't gain anything from it I just have empathy and want to help prevent other people's suffering

[Stickymayhem]

After thorough review of each page the following people appeared on every single one bar this one:

Stickymayhem


Enjoy your ban

hi

[Togopal]

Sligneris tier thread

[Stickymayhem]

Sligneris tier thread

I've far exceeded Slig in shit stirred I deserve a medal

[Nilons]

what the fuck this thread isnt even a week old

[Grazyn]

It's a fact that some if not most people don't really care about this and calling them sociopathic psychos because they don't feel anything when watching an abattoir or a factory farm won't help.

[onleavedontatme]

It's a fact that some if not most people don't really care about this and calling them sociopathic psychos because they don't feel anything when watching an abattoir or a factory farm won't help.

Most people do care and try not to think about it which is why they go ballistic when you bring it up.

[existence_success]

is this thread seriously still going?

[onleavedontatme]

is this thread seriously still going?

When Sticky and I combine forces we are unstoppable

[Grazyn]

It's a fact that some if not most people don't really care about this and calling them sociopathic psychos because they don't feel anything when watching an abattoir or a factory farm won't help.

Most people do care and try not to think about it which is why they go ballistic when you bring it up.

Those I know pretend to care when it comes up but they really don't. It's not like they don't want to think about it, they just value their meat (and cheese, eggs etc.) more.

Acting like something is self-evident and like people would magically change their opinion when exposed to it is precisely the same reason why Hillary lost.

[captain sawrge]

When Sticky and I combine forces we are unstoppable

this is the man who orders smaller burgers as an appetizer for his normal sized burger

[DemonFiren]

on that note I was gonna drop a killer pun but I forgot it

same for another thread, god dammit

[onleavedontatme]

It's a fact that some if not most people don't really care about this and calling them sociopathic psychos because they don't feel anything when watching an abattoir or a factory farm won't help.

Most people do care and try not to think about it which is why they go ballistic when you bring it up.

Those I know pretend to care when it comes up but they really don't. It's not like they don't want to think about it, they just value their meat (and cheese, eggs etc.) more.

Acting like something is self-evident and like people would magically change their opinion when exposed to it is precisely the same reason why Hillary lost.

>post dozens of links to studies and articles showing animals are sentient, capable of feeling pain, being treated in terrible conditions, and that we are consuming them faster than we can sustain it
>lol just your opinion respect mine

I guess you could argue what we are doing is okay if you're deranged, but you don't get to have your own opinion on the basic math of "if we consume faster than X replenishes, we run out of X"

And yes people care about their eggs and meat, doesn't mean they don't or can't care about the rest as well. People care about things they know are immoral or harmful to themselves all the time.

Speaking of caring, I think bills pushed by meat industries (like forcing the sale of "conventional" eggs Iowa because people are buying cage free, or banning the use of "milk" in almond milk at the federal level) to try and protect themselves from competition are a pretty good sign more and more people are finding industrial farming abhorrent.

[Qustinnus]

[youtube]3JiUDoRM_dI[/youtube]

when i first watched this i thought they were just hungry and wanted some meat as well lol

[Doctor Pork]

Don't worry shadow I'll send you some of my honey.

Also one of my friends was like "Why don't you make mead?" so I think after I get set up I'll try my hand at that too!

[ManyBones]

Don't worry shadow I'll send you some of my honey.

Also one of my friends was like "Why don't you make mead?" so I think after I get set up I'll try my hand at that too!

Mead it's super easy to do and pretty hard to fuck up since it has like one or two ingredients and it practically can't go bad because of the yeast and the alcoholic content of it. But if you want it can have a lot of depth, you can get pretty complex flavors changing the variety of the honey, time of fermentation and coupling it with various fruits and spices.

I remembered that I have a lot of excel spreadshits for fermentation times lying around and now I want to make mead again, fuck. We need a mead thread in this forum.

[Doctor Pork]

This can be that thread. You just have to believe.

Would you mind sharing those spreadsheets? It would be really cool to have a frame of reference.

[Incomptinence]

[youtube]3JiUDoRM_dI[/youtube]

when i first watched this i thought they were just hungry and wanted some meat as well lol

Animals will eat meat of their own kind if provided actually so yes this appears to be the behaviour they are showing.
The stressed out omg predator reaction is to run and hide.

Chickens are actually profligate cannibals and variably makes up about 15% chicken mortality even if you keep them free range or otherwise roaming. My family keeping like 4 chickens had one resort to drinking the blood of another over a period eventually leading to reduced health and death.

So yeah livestock totally on par with humans extremely sentient and intelligent.

[ColonicAcid]

Yeah my family chickens are ruthless little shits and once a chicken is outcast you have to isolate them or youll find them dead

[Lazengann]

Besides the cruelty thing is there a reason not to drink a half gallon of whole milk daily

[oranges]

I drink a lot of milk

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You cannot make another post so soon after your last.

[ColonicAcid]

Besides the cruelty thing is there a reason not to drink a half gallon of whole milk daily

uh youre going to have a metric shit ton of water weight from the amount of carbs you're having to digest if you're drinking half a gallon of milk every day along with meals.

i did gomad when i was a skinny skelington and whilst i gained alot of weight quite quickly i felt awful afterwards. like full on bloat every single day it was kinda nasty.

[Qbopper]

who tf was like "YO THAT COW IS LEAKING SHIT FROM ITS BOTTOM LETS DRINK THAT"

[Qustinnus]

[youtube]3JiUDoRM_dI[/youtube]

when i first watched this i thought they were just hungry and wanted some meat as well lol

Animals will eat meat of their own kind if provided actually so yes this appears to be the behaviour they are showing.
The stressed out omg predator reaction is to run and hide.

Chickens are actually profligate cannibals and variably makes up about 15% chicken mortality even if you keep them free range or otherwise roaming. My family keeping like 4 chickens had one resort to drinking the blood of another over a period eventually leading to reduced health and death.

So yeah livestock totally on par with humans extremely sentient and intelligent.

i once tried eating meat of my own kind too but what they say is true you need to get ribs removed to get that far with your mouth

[Stickymayhem]

Animals will eat meat of their own kind if provided actually so yes this appears to be the behaviour they are showing.
The stressed out omg predator reaction is to run and hide.

Chickens are actually profligate cannibals and variably makes up about 15% chicken mortality even if you keep them free range or otherwise roaming. My family keeping like 4 chickens had one resort to drinking the blood of another over a period eventually leading to reduced health and death.

So yeah livestock totally on par with humans extremely sentient and intelligent.

Animals don't have the capacity for ethical consideration. No one once in this thread said any animals had human level sentience and intelligence

Based on your argument I think we hav evidence that some humans have animal level intelligence. Lie down incomp lemme grill those tender flanks

Also the chicken thing isn't really true, like most of the stuff you've mentioned without sources. Chickens as we've selectively bred them regularly suffer from nutritional deficiencies, and when crammed together in the thousands have no social structure. Even free range, many do not have regular access to food due to the cramped conditions, so in desperation they'll attack their neighbours for space and eat them when starving or desperate for nutrients.

Your family's chicken could easily be suffering from a nutritional deficiency, given how many eggs they lay. So unless your family was allowing them to eat their own eggs to gain back some of the nutrients lost in making hundreds of them, they were probably desperate for something. Or maybe that individual chicken was insane which happens in any animal sometimes including us.

I wonder what happens if you cram a thousand humans into a warehouse without enough space to even lie down or regular access to food I bet they all just sit down and play cards and no one eats each other ha ha ha

[oranges]

hopefully they die

[DemonFiren]

first, animals don't have character or personality
animals do feel emotion, but they don't develop character the same way humans do, they lack the self-reflection necessary for that
they have their littie idiosyncrasies and yes, they are programmed to learn from experience and we anthropomorphise them for it, but the notion of personality is generated on our end rather than theirs

second, animals do not have the same rights as humans
the rights humans claim come from the fact that we can develop the ability to reason
since this is a generalised "we" this right extends to all members of the species, including those among us who have suffered sufficient damage to have permanently lost that ability or those who have never gained it in the first place

from my standpoint, which happens to mostly agree with the law, animals are objects
make no mistake, they're objects we recognise as animate and responsive rather than utterly lifeless, and thus we rightly grant special protection to them
but humans can grow just as attached to other mindless but responsive systems as to the animals they keep - it doesn't change the fact that some of them are here to serve us as tools while others we keep for company

bottom line is
a: no emotional attachment to objects is relevant where there is a choice to be made between the physical integrity of an object or a human (a point that, in my opinion, needed to be made despite not being directly related to the veganism debate)
b: systems which are capable of developing emotions or which are capable of registering damage in the form of pain, whether biological or electronic, deserve special protection
c: they may still be created, then dismantled for resources so long as both are done in a fashion which minimises the pain factor

[Stickymayhem]

first, animals don't have character or personality
animals do feel emotion, but they don't develop character the same way humans do, they lack the self-reflection necessary for that
they have their littie idiosyncrasies and yes, they are programmed to learn from experience and we anthropomorphise them for it, but the notion of personality is generated on our end rather than theirs

second, animals do not have the same rights as humans
the rights humans claim come from the fact that we can develop the ability to reason
since this is a generalised "we" this right extends to all members of the species, including those among us who have suffered sufficient damage to have permanently lost that ability or those who have never gained it in the first place

from my standpoint, which happens to mostly agree with the law, animals are objects
make no mistake, they're objects we recognise as animate and responsive rather than utterly lifeless, and thus we rightly grant special protection to them
but humans can grow just as attached to other mindless but responsive systems as to the animals they keep - it doesn't change the fact that some of them are here to serve us as tools while others we keep for company

bottom line is
a: no emotional attachment to objects is relevant where there is a choice to be made between the physical integrity of an object or a human (a point that, in my opinion, needed to be made despite not being directly related to the veganism debate)
b: systems which are capable of developing emotions or which are capable of registering damage in the form of pain, whether biological or electronic, deserve special protection
c: they may still be created, then dismantled for resources so long as both are done in a fashion which minimises the pain factor

Animals do have personalities, just not the extent humans do. All dogs of a breed are not identical with identical temperaments. This is true of most of the mammals we farm too.

Human rights are for humans and were created for all humans. That literally has no impact on whether animals should have rights or not. When only white, home-owning men had rights, I could have said the same thing. Rights are for the people that already have rights, is essentially your argument, which is kind of meaningless. No one sat down and said "Humans can reason, they should have rights". Human rights were created in an attempt to prevent terrible things happening to humans, which if anything, sounds more like the prevention of suffering than anything else.

>Animals are objects

I know you don't believe this even if it makes it easier to argue. You would have no problem stabbing a dog if this were true. If you could, you would be deemed a psychopath by 99% of the population. Take a pig into Times Square and slaughter it and see how many people think that screaming pig is just an object. Humans are just objects too if you attach that responsiveness and animation to them, which again makes this a meaningless self-defeating argument.

a: Nothing you have said creates any meaningful distinction between these "objects" and humans. I can say humans are objects in much the same way you have, it's just semantic. Also, it is not the choice between an animal or a human. You don't die without a fucking mcdonalds. It's the choice between an animal and a burger. 15 minutes of pleasure for months of confinement, pain and eventual slaughter at a fraction of their lifespan. That is what this argument is about.
b: Agreed
c: If you truly believed this, you would be vegan. There is no regard for the pain factor, only the profit factor, and killing an animal every 6 seconds using undertrained, underpained massively high turnover labourers is not going to result in much ethical consideration for each animal's death. Killing is itself immoral, because you have no ownership over their lives just because you bred them. I cannot breed dogs to kill them for my own amusement, but corporations can breed pigs to slaughter them for their own profit, and your amusement.

[Grazyn]

If you slaughter a pig in Times Square people will think you're some sort of avant garde performance artist and tip you and take selfies. I mean, spirit cooking is a thing after all

[Incomptinence]

Appeal to DOG again.

Some people eat dogs man stop being culturally imperialist towards the Vietnamese and South Koreans really messing up your interspecies intersectionality.


Veganism is a harm minimisation strategy in the same vein never leaving your house due to paranoia is a risk assessment strategy.
You compromise agriculture with the LOOK AT ME I AM MORE EXTREMELY VEGAN THAN YOU anti pollination madness (yet to see a bacterial pollinator) and see how long the civilised virtues of mercy and kindness to animals persist.

[DemonFiren]

I know you don't believe this even if it makes it easier to argue.

What if I do?

[DemonFiren]

Actually, no.
What is the purpose behind your arguments? What are you trying to accomplish?
Because I'm telling you right now, you can convince me to stop eating meat about as much as I can convince you to start, and thus I'm not looking to attack your way of life. I'm defending mine.
I don't give a fuck about your dietary habits so long as they don't include humans.

[Incomptinence]

It's basically discovering that a goldfish having a 5 minute memory is a myth then concluding they therefore they also have human level intellect, self awareness the works.

Animals being smarter than they are commonly perceived still leaves them a lot simpler than us.

[Stickymayhem]

Actually, no.
What is the purpose behind your arguments? What are you trying to accomplish?
Because I'm telling you right now, you can convince me to stop eating meat about as much as I can convince you to start, and thus I'm not looking to attack your way of life. I'm defending mine.
I don't give a fuck about your dietary habits so long as they don't include humans.

>I actively came to the vegan thread about veganism to actively defend my meat eating
>I'm not attacking your way of life. I'm defending mine.

>I invaded your country because your country is different to mine and I have to defend my way of doing things!
>I'm not attacking your country. I'm defending mine!

:^)

[BeeSting12]

This thread is now a things I have ate thread. I'm gonna start with last night's dinner.

Large sonic tater tot. Footlong quarterpound coney with chili and cheese. Dr. Pepper (large)

breakfast
brown sugar cinnamon poptart and goldfish

[Rustledjimm]

what is a sonic tater tot.

Is it shaped like the character sonic or is it very loud.

[DemonFiren]

Actually, no.
What is the purpose behind your arguments? What are you trying to accomplish?
Because I'm telling you right now, you can convince me to stop eating meat about as much as I can convince you to start, and thus I'm not looking to attack your way of life. I'm defending mine.
I don't give a fuck about your dietary habits so long as they don't include humans.

>I actively came to the vegan thread about veganism to actively defend my meat eating
>I'm not attacking your way of life. I'm defending mine.

>I invaded your country because your country is different to mine and I have to defend my way of doing things!
>I'm not attacking your country. I'm defending mine!

:^)

arguing rationally =! attacking someone
judging by this response and your general behaviour in this thread it is likely that you are incapable of separating emotional from rational points in this matter, therefore there's no point debating with you since you won't budge anyway

[somerandomguy]

Actually, no.
What is the purpose behind your arguments? What are you trying to accomplish?
Because I'm telling you right now, you can convince me to stop eating meat about as much as I can convince you to start, and thus I'm not looking to attack your way of life. I'm defending mine.
I don't give a fuck about your dietary habits so long as they don't include humans.

>I actively came to the vegan thread about veganism to actively defend my meat eating
>I'm not attacking your way of life. I'm defending mine.

>I invaded your country because your country is making threats against mine and I have to defend my country!
>I'm not attacking your country. I'm defending mine!

:^)

Fixed it.

[Qbmax32]

I came here to see if I could trigger sticky with my meat eating ways but he’s too good

[BeeSting12]

what is a sonic tater tot.

Is it shaped like the character sonic or is it very loud.

its a potato thing from Sonic the restaurant a drive in place. its probably unhealthy

[Stickymayhem]

I came here to see if I could trigger sticky with my meat eating ways but he’s too good

I won't be triggered, I am the trigger.

[Stickymayhem]

what is a sonic tater tot.

Is it shaped like the character sonic or is it very loud.

its a potato thing from Sonic the restaurant a drive in place. its probably unhealthy

It moves through your digestive system at supersonic speeds

[BeeSting12]

just had a cosmic brownie. also somehow this got off the front page

[onleavedontatme]

lol just my way of life bro back off live and let live

Your way of life is causing direct harm sorry

[DemonFiren]

lol just my way of life bro back off live and let live

Your way of life is causing direct harm sorry

this statement is hurtful
stop making statements, ever

[SpaceInaba]

sticky is it ok if when i cry some of it gets in my mouth I can't help it because it runs down my face im sorry my tears are an animal product

[Lazengann]

I went out for a late breakfast on the weekend and got french toast instead of a burger because of this thread