NikNakFlak

[peoplearestrange]

Bottom post of the previous page:

We have our differences. In the past the kinda ended explosively. But we've been pretty civil with each other of late. I think just keeping out of each others ways works.

[A3STH3T1CS]

We have our differences. In the past the kinda ended explosively. But we've been pretty civil with each other of late. I think just keeping out of each others ways works.

before you know it shit will end up in a sectionalized war

so really, when niknak answered my ahelp, it's not considered official anymore if i try to continue it over IRC?
im not trying to be a dick, it's just i want my facts set straight before i make myself look like an autist again for caring about something i think matters.

that or needlessly getting a thread merged

[Okand37]

If you really have something you want to talk out with an admin, I suggest talking to them privately about it.

[Raven776]

I would vote to re-allow ERP for him.

[AnonymousNow]

Had a strange incident today involving NikNakFlak.

Basically, in-round, I had my SE saved by the geneticist (not a traitor, by the way, though there's nothing I can do about that), and he forcibly distributed it to a large proportion of the crew, so there were many people running around with my character's appearance. Someone had also unleashed the big legion skull, which we were anticipating to appear in mining at some point.

What we didn't expect is for an object the size of a bloblet (orange floating things that make zombies) to barrel through the station itself, attacking people and breaking walls. It was also actively shrinking and growing in front of our eyes, so that it quickly went from blob-shape to bullet sized - literally several pixels across at most, and insanely fast as it scaled down. It made it difficult to counterattack, and though I managed to get in a few good hits, I whiffed several attacks and got killed. My body was immediately picked up by a legion skull and turned into a legion thrall, so my ghost was free-floating nearby, with me being utterfly confused.

So I adminhelped. I spoke to Niknak, requesting to come back to life, having been killed by what was essentially a glitch (I wasn't hopeful, since I'd been raised maybe five times after glitchy situations in about six years, but other people have a tendency to get away with it, so I figured I'd ask). He told me that he had seen me alive, dying to my wounds having killed the legion, in a different, but nearby location - I believe with the implication that, since I'd managed to survive long enough to kill it, I wasn't actually killed by the glitch so much.

Now, I'm under the impression that he jumped to my ghost, and saw another person nearby with my SE alive long enough to kill the legion and succumb to their wounds, missing my ghost in the shadows. And I might have been a bit acerbic, since I have a tendency to discover game-ending glitches with my face. But to be told that something I'd witnessed happen to myself didn't happen, by someone else who couldn't possibly have seen the same thing, hit a little close to home.

This isn't an admin complaint, but it's relevant as feedback: the information is there for you, and though it's sometimes difficult to discern amongst the white noise, telling someone that something they witnessed didn't happen to them is not helpful.

Not even the worse thing to happen in that game, though.

EDIT: As evident by this thread ("salty ass", "complete dick") and that of Okand37 ("dumb tin foil hat", "dense", other insults), NikNakFlak becomes aggressive when criticised, and will even follow you to other threads in order to perpetuate this. Feedback: do not do these things; they are unbecoming of an administrator.

[NikNakFlak]

>Guy adminhelps about micro legion
>Jump to him, see him alive and fighting it
>Debating reviving because now im mega confused
>Decide on the safe bet of not reviving
>Have to track down a 1 pixel sized legion and eventually manage to right click the fucker and delete it
>Being yelled at in adminpms by AN being a salty ass
>Do my best but still decide not to revive him since it's a shitty bug and I'm still not even sure of whos who or whats what, I know what I saw but I could be wrong and I've never seen this bug before
>Round ends super shortly after that
>Anonymous starts salting in OOC like a complete ass
>Another admin tells him off
>He then adminhelps again and says that Admins were the cause of the scaling and it was admin fuckery
>I already made a bug report but apparently this isn't even new but nobody else bothered

I understand your frustration but holy fuck, you turned into a complete dick and assumed malice, conspiracy and everything under the sun. You aren't such a nice guy.

[AnonymousNow]

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Now, Niknak - I wasn't yelling at you, though I suppose I can see why you read that. I was trying to work out what had happened (which I believe I did, once I'd teased the information out of you, though since our exchange was cut off there are still mysteries that likely won't be solved).

Yes, I was annoyed, but I wanted to get to the bottom of it, and dismissing factual statements as "salty" is not productive. I likely would've posted about my round in OOC at the end of things even if I'd survived, because I am the kind of person who likes to talk about their round if interesting things happened (such as having an army of shouting, superpowered men with your face running around, causing havoc).

But here's the part to stick on.

>He then adminhelps again and says that Admins were the cause of the scaling and it was admin fuckery
...assumed malice, conspiracy and everything under the sun.

I did no such thing.

I assume that you're talking about the response where I mentioned that the only times I'd seen sprite size manipulation in action was when an admin was involved. It was supposed to convey such information as was actually in the message. Looking over it again, I can see how it can be misinterpreted as an accusation, if the person reading it were sensitive about such things - but that was not the intended message, and I'm sorry if you took it in such a manner. That likely also explains the disappointing reaction of the other admin.

With my theory as to how your description of what happened differed with the reality of what happened to me, and your report that the bug issue is known (and therefore likely to be handled), we've covered all the points and can lay them to rest.

Though you don't need to think I'm a nice guy.

[NikNakFlak]

>says thing that sounds 100% like blaming admins
>"no no, I didnt mean I was blaming admins, Im just saying I've only ever seen this when it was admins doing it"

Whatever, I think your attitude is garbage personally.

[AnonymousNow]

blaming admins

It was supposed to be about how, anecdotally, sprite changes are often - but not always - attributed to actual people being involved, but fine.

Whatever, I think your attitude is garbage personally.

That's also fine. I'm not here to please you.

[DemonFiren]

0/10 isn't nice to AnonNow AND won't let me tell awful puns deadmin posthaste

[DemonFiren]

Okay, now seriously.
>mutes me on ahelp, pray and OOC for telling puns
>then fucks off

[IrishWristWatch0]

Okay, now seriously.
>mutes me on ahelp, pray and OOC for telling puns
>then fucks off

Free speech is a privilege, chump.

[DemonFiren]

Puns are a right, though.

[Bawhoppennn]

NikNak I have a 1001 bad things to say about you, but have you noticed how I never have? (in here atleast)
Remember that.

[A3STH3T1CS]

Puns are a right, though.

How punny. You think he has a fear of puns?

[DemonFiren]

Puns are a right, though.

How punny. You think he has a fear of puns?

My puns are just too good for him.

[IrishWristWatch0]

I hope you're done with puns because they're no fun, son.


My album drop 7/23/16 AMA

[A3STH3T1CS]

SS13 gangsta rap when

[DemonFiren]

Saying you don't like puns is one thing.
Jokingly - and briefly - muting me for not liking my puns is also one thing.

OOC and deadchat-banning me for puns, calling me "the new puunches" (in before I get slapped for quoting adminhelps of ongoing rounds) and claiming this to be "in the best interests of the server" is something entirely different, however; something that I'd call slightly excessive irrespective of how awful my wordplay was.
Now I don't like taking personal disputes to separate complaint threads, but I very much do want my gripes to be recorded someplace more permanent than ahelps. If it is decided that this is better suited for an admin complaint I suspect I must comply, but otherwise I'd rather settle this without taking the closest this community has to legal steps.

[NikNakFlak]

I have done OOC a favor by making sure they never hear your dog penis puns or tentacle jokes ever again.

[DemonFiren]

First of all, that enumeration is misleading, these were two isolated instances (one of each, and the latter wasn't even lewd - which I believe you are insinuating: in its entirety it was along the lines of "an octopus with two additional arms has ten tacles". As for the former, it was in response to someone making a horse pun of similar caliber, so I believe I was halfway justified if lacking taste.) Now those were two out of maybe twenty jokes total, and several days apart, too.
Second, that's up to OOC to decide. So far, the reactions I've encountered were, yes, part usual screaming at awful puns (which, by the way, is not exclusively a negative response, given that the nature of the pun is that its humour increases with awfulness, as such complaining loudly and over the top is to be considered equal to applause and laughter) - but also part cheering, and quite a few jokes in response.

[NikNakFlak]

I don't want platitudes, this was like 70% meme and 30% stop being awful in OOC and play the game. The ban is lifted

[DemonFiren]

Then please (no, really: please. It would be very nice of you to do so) make that clear next time instead of displaying a distanced mode of communication that, to my untrained eyes, appears to be between insulting and passive-aggressive.
It is hard to read emotions over text.

Thank you for the peaceful resolution, however.

[NikNakFlak]

It was passive-aggressive, your jokes and puns are bad and you should feel bad. They are annoying and awful and it's nonstop all round even when no one is talking in OOC. One of these days, I'll get a ban to stick :^)

[DemonFiren]

Quick, PAS, candidate me now so I can be headmin next term.

[captain sawrge]

i cant believe im agreeing with nknakflak but hes right: YOur a fag

[oranges]

more like the new pun-nches

[Bawhoppennn]

why can't we all be friends can't people just be tolerant and we all could get all along why is it so hard

[IrishWristWatch0]

Literally the worst admin. Cannot tolerate. Doesn't even play midis. What a joke

[Super Aggro Crag]

He's chilled out a bit recently and I appreciate it.

[bman]

someone bwoinked me and they remained unbiased through the bwoink and investigated it fairly.

very well.

[Nilons]

deletes posts in feedback threads

[bman]

deleted multiple posts covered by anon3 amendment from FNR ban appeals

for example in a recent appeal I pointed out that admins arent allowed to handle their own appeals ahelp and in another I pointed out that if the person in question doesnt have ick ock notes they should usually only be warned or noted the first time. my posts weren't the only ones sent to post hell.

people arent trying to minimod and they're not trying to make a ruling, they're pointing out actual relevant rules that will help with the appeal like come on.

[DemonFiren]

inb4 This post was deleted by NikNakFlak

[bman]

inb4 This post was deleted by NikNakFlak

i'd leave it at that by the sole virtue of that being funni.

[onleavedontatme]

Admins usually handle their own appeals

The guy had 6 previous IC in OOC bans in the past month.

Nothing in your post was relevant or true.

[bman]

Admins usually handle their own appeals

The guy had 6 previous IC in OOC bans in the past month.

Nothing in your post was relevant or true.

that's why i wrote if cause i dont have access to his notes???

even if that one of multiple posts was inaccurate. that wasn't even the only post he deleted.
not only my posts were deleted, you should know.

not relevant

usual ruling for ic in ooc violations is not relevant to an ic ock ban appeal.

ok.

Admins usually handle their own appeals

do you know how to argue without a strawman for once?

i never said otherwise, in fact, in my first post i explained that im not saying EXACTLY THIS, how did you fuck that one up kor?

drank too much sarsaparilla out of your cowboy hat?

[onleavedontatme]

And if your post had been relevant it could have stayed, but it wasn't.

You have not been punished or harmed, you made a hedged statement about a videogame rule that didnt matter to the conclusion of the thread and it got deleted.

[onleavedontatme]

for example in a recent appeal I pointed out that admins arent allowed to handle their own appeals

Admins usually handle their own appeals

i never said otherwise

What did he mean by this?

[bman]

And if your post had been relevant it could have stayed, but it wasn't.

You have not been punished or harmed, you made a hedged statement about a videogame rule that didnt matter to the conclusion of the thread and it got deleted.

what about the other people's posts? if all of my posts were "hedged" statements.

one more thing, their reasoning for deleting some of the posts is:


stop cherry picking things to go against, i literally told you not only my posts were deleted multiple times now.

my posts weren't the only ones sent to post hell.

not only my posts were deleted, you should know.

niknak didnt commit a cardinal sin that you requires you to aggressively defend them with fallacies kor, it's literally just "it'd be cool if they kept posts relevant and important to the discussion in their place"

>inb4 ignores what i said again and "but your posts werent relevant or important to the discussion!!!!!!"

What did he mean by this?

i meant handle their own ahelp

ignore this:

Spoiler:

oh, I thought you were accusing me of minimodding and trying to give a ruling, in that case, I have news for you my brother.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Admin_Conduct

Don't handle an adminhelp that involves you. Admins can't involve themselves as both an admin and player in a matter. This also means adminhelping like any other player would if you want to report an issue. Another admin will be needed to help you.

sos was shit on for handling their own appeal, why is it suddenly okay for him (THE ADMIN DOING THE APPEAL, NOT NIKNAK) to do that too?

[captain sawrge]

admins are explicitly told to handle their own appeals unless a headmin gets dragged into it
ingame ahelp != appeal

[bman]

if you want to continue discussing this i suggest moving it to policy discussion cause im kind of shitting up nik's lawn.

admins are explicitly told to handle their own appeals unless a headmin gets dragged into it

thanks, yeah i realized what i did and retracted my statement above.

[oranges]

about to have the longest admin feedback thread

[IrishWristWatch0]

he's ok

[Doctor Pork]

i looked at this thread and the tv in the background immediately started talking about ancient Egyptian salt mines

coincidence? you decide. flak is p awesome though.

[A3STH3T1CS]

obviously a little shit back in 2017 and before.
a lot of people have been saying otherwise late 2017.

probably stopped giving a shit and focused on actual tickets being handed to him and not projecting himself into them like a bratty teenager.
also fuck this thread for popping up into my gmail, i never subscribed to this shit

[virtualmass]

I was being a bit of bitch in adminhelp after dying to a particularly overzealous captain and NikNak handled the situation (not in my favour) with a levelheadness that I certainly didn't deserve.

[Qbmax32]

he’s good

[bman]

he's good ingame, no complaints, and i retract anything i said about him if i did i dont remember

[MortoSasye]

He has a kind heart, and i really appreciate them both as an admin and as a person

[wesoda25]

I rarely ever see them in game as an admin, but on the times I have they’ve been fun and competent.