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BYOND account: Thedragmeme
Character name: Stardust
Admin in question: Texicos
When did it take place: Roughly around 4PM UTC
Round ID in which ban was placed: 29365 (Was not a ban)
Evidence: During the round I was deleted, which I have recorded and posted here: https://youtu.be/KLxCUTlilGQ ...

Drag

As someone who was directly involved in command for the OB incident round (Synth):

A new player (PVT) got ahold of tac binos and was using the OB independently of command orders. Command was not aware of what was happening until it was too late. (Aka pretty much griefing the marines)

As a game ...

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I am very tired of repeating myself, I have already explained where my hostility came from at the start of this conversation, and I have apologized for it.

I'm very tired of reading walls of text so I'm not going to anymore. As far as I'm concerned this is just feedback, since the only headmin ...

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That's a really broad situation that you've described, and I do in fact look at nuances, but in this case I did rule in favor of the chemist. As a reminder our server rules will always be above in character chain of command. If you as a CMO want to use the entire chemistry floor space for your own ...

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I do in fact agree with you in terms of playstyles, as I've already addressed my main issue was the lack of communication. When I look at these kinds of cases I have to determine the implications for both people. When one person says they're being messed with, and the other party didn't communicate ...

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I personally rule that heads of staff should be more delegators and slack picker uppers than "glorified x y x" on MRP.

If the chemist was not doing anything, that's one thing. However in this instance the chemist was actively making more space (Tram was the map this occurred on), and starting their ...

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I was observing your interactions between the chemist and you, the reason why I stepped in is because *you were not staying in your lane in regards to building a chemical factory.* After the chemist had to make you leave and weld themselves in, you made active efforts to try to demote them. *I ...

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I took no action against you, why is this a complaint instead of feedback?

Edit: Ill get to this later

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Shut the fuck up, European.

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I am not a fan of this, mainly because I feel like it's going to significantly reduce what little RP is already done on LRP servers. I think you're going to see people who care about roleplaying but don't want MRP rules move to the new server while everyone who plays just for gameplay will remain ...

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it would be more of a culture shift for the administration to feel like they can more confidently attempt to enforce the higher standard of roleplay that the server is intended to allow.

Bagil proposal aside, how would you suggest this be accomplished?

3 different rulesets. yipee ...

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As a reminder, Spy is a full Rule 4 antagonist. On MRP their primary restriction is against murderbone, whis is generally defined as "killing someone with no reason".

In addition, RP Rule Five Precedent 1 says:

"Objectives are suggestions, and antagonists are free to ignore them if they have a ...

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Pog, you're all set. Unbanned and all that

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I agree with Pumpkin on this, if someone is using the stream to get themselves converted we handle it like we handle any willing conversion.

Drag

Yeah, that is fair enough. Generally, we ask players to stick to one account when playing on our servers. Do you have any other alts to declare and would you like Allrager to be your primary account?

Edit: For clarity I have no problem lifting this ban.

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If a borg is following its laws and gets in its way of security, security should be within its right to stop the borg. This is the same as security breaking an airlock if it were stopping security doing their job.

The rule doesn't say "security cannot stop cyborgs if they're interfering", it ...

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I don't have anything else to add, but if still remain an admin after this I will not play in my own events period, if I can't run the event due to lack of player interest I will just run it later. I feel like that solves the core issues with the complaint at hand. I know personally that I wasn't ...

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The only compromise I see for this is also offering you a non antag token, I'm still getting feedback from other admins so do let me know if theres any other resolution you'd like to consider.

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Hey, thanks for letting me know about your concern.

First and foremost, I gave the related player a token because I didn't handle their part of the admin event very well.

However, this was in fact an event. Even if the ERT's end of round objective was one singular thing that wasn't the only thing ...

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This ban was placed late May of last year, and you seem to understand the two issues I had. (1. The greytiding. 2. The name)

I believe the ban was a permaban because I assumed your account was some kind of griefing alt, granted you disconnected the moment you died.

I'm willing to lift this, but ...

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I genuinely despise birdshot and I will always force another map if I see it wins the piss poor weighted random vote.

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whatever happens please remember that players dont have access to logs in order to perfectly remember specific incidents that happen earlier in a round. I was banned for misremembering the reason for wearing something and It would suck if players were getting banned for not perfectly recalling ...

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I'd like to add "lying by omission" or "unreasonably refusing to assist admins in investigations" to Rule 6 Precedent 2.

It's not a secret that admins are volunteers, and as the wise Timber once said: "It's been banned before, and will be banned again."

If we're banning people for it, it's only ...

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Just for clarity: Do you believe this note is overly harsh or factually incorrect, save for your job role.

Edit: I was the other admin assisting with this investigation along with Epic, so I have the context they do.

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We have removed murderbone restrictions on Lings when they are discovered, we should have the same logic applied to malf ai.

Let Ais say fuck

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Imagine thinking an oppressive workforce wouldn't've put competent non human heads and human heads in charge and not just put their line of actual compensation on the floor.

Wait this sounds weirdly familiar.

Anyways, every argument I've seen here for or against is radically arbitrary in nature ...

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I'm sorry but since when did we give a shit about lore?

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I had the idea to add some chef recipes that gave really strong mood/chemical buffs, but you can only make it with plants found in space ruins.

Frankly the solution here is what Rave recommended, but instead of adding exclusively empty ruins we should add ruins and then spread out the loot/add new ...

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I am fully supportive of non human heads of staff, there's a lot of potential for roleplay with asimov silicon

Edit: And to be frank, regardless if you're for or against the funny number being a 1 or 0 all of the reasonings on both side are completely arbitrary in nature. If the community is so ...

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You have a ban in October from Yogstation, I'm assuming that's the ban you're trying to appeal at the same time as this one. What are your thoughts on that ban?

For clarity's sake, the ban reads:

0.0: Don't be a dick. Telling the Captain to kill himself after he was arrested.

I'd consider this ...

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Scriptis has retired, as such any admin can handle this appeal.

Your full ban reads as such:
Banned from the server permanently - As the captain, used a toy AI for a "law of the land gimmick." The first law was antimov for engineers. After ordering security to beat the hell out of the engineers ...

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I've always had the option this should be an inclusion on MRP, something like this however would not be great for LRP.

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I have been told repeatedly and by multiple Manuel admins that slur usage makes people valid, and that retard is a slur.

Could you name the admins in question? If you have been misled by any of us in the past, that takes some culpability away from you and into our hands. I am happy to ...

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Got damn admin tools. Yes, the ban was only supposed to be a day ban.

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Imagine assuming admins wont press buttons when its a green shift, thats your fault man

Vekter is a great admin, always comes up to bat when needed.

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This ban is a year old, and I don't feel like doing mental gymnastics. I'll lift this ban. However, if you fuck around you WILL find out.

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Sure! Thank you for removing the note, I'd assumed it was a mistake but it's sometimes hard to gauge someone's intent on the internet.

In the case of it being valid, where exactly is the line drawn as to "It's [departmental] content, so it's fine for a player from that department to go after it ...

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I'll handle this right now while I have a second.

I'd like to start this by saying, yeah I'll be removing the note. The conversation we had was very confusing, and I ended up misinterpreting some given information. This event took place the round before(round 212265), so I didn't have access to the ...

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The only fun part of science is xenobiology because I can make a cute adult pink slime named Cake that will be my best friend forever

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I saw minor debate in admin channels if pill SM's should be banned or not, since they typically cause a massive amount of lag.

Discuss

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Full ban reason:
Very likely an evader/grief account. If incorrect appeal on the forums. Making comments such as "my jew will pay you later" as a low playtime account

You know what, It's been a good four months and I wasn't expecting an appeal at all. I'll go ahead and lift this ban, please be ...

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I will edit the note to say:

"Was reminded to non-lethally escalate where possible when wronged by another player, and was asked to not partake in server tribalism as it toes into rule 1."

Other than that, my being firm is in my opinion a non-issue. Nothing I said warranted such a hostile response ...

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You seem to come out swinging from the first message. Re-reading your messages, do you think there be a valid interpretation where you as an admin escalated the ahelp to an argument and the player spoke out in frustration in response to that?

I can see where my words could be interpreted as ...

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As I stated before this was going to just be a note, the only reason it turned into a ban was because of Muffindrakes hostility and server tribalism. My intention was not to come off as angry in the ticket, and I intentionally had some typos with the hope of keeping my stance of "you also need to ...

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Round is over, first and foremost: I am not interested in lifting this ban.

Also:
the current round's admin event where I was immediately blown up by them
That was not me. That was a tot objective.

The ticket for reference, taken from mothbus:
Hey can you tell Linden to be a piece of trash ...

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I will not be handling this until the current round on Manuel has ended.

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You complain, but the sprite-tainers are the only ones holding me back from making the game look like a sailor moon rip off.

Or a FF14 rip off I haven't decided yet.

Edit: I'm not a spriter, instead I hold goon station spriters hostage in my basement because I add QUALITY items.

https ...

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Dear syndicate:

Stop trying to assassinate me, it's not gonna work.

Sincerely,

Command Representative Vex Petunia-Licht

P.S.
Why the fuck do you call hits on command staff pets, that's low even for you.

Drag

Punishing people for not chasing the green text is bad, and gimps creativity. Objectives are there to give antagonists some form of idea for what to do should they be lacking their own ideas.

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People yelled at me to come here. Apparently, my 4 am idea has some form of merit.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093521091957370940/1093521092108374076/bow.png

So what if we had a null rod variant that was a bow and arrow set? The bow itself would act as the "null rod", allowing ...

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