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Diasyl

I have had a similar idea, inspired by Person in Black from Rimworld and Mysterious Stranger from Fallout.

A midround role that spawns in the maintenance if:

Security is dead
Antags are still alive

He is dressed in all black with a special .357 revolver which plays a riff when holstered and ...

Diasyl

I think a code solution would be the most concrete for this issue.

Make new arrivals have some kind of a special examine text ("He/She/They look recently arrived"), or effect if you want to be spare (blue outline)

Diasyl

Maybe a sprint/walk/sneak? It does feel silly that you're running everywhere while walking is incredibly slow and feels like you were sneaking IRL. There should be space for that without having to get on your belly and crawl around a chasm, funny and semi-realistic as that would be.

This is not ...

Diasyl

Have you tried typing while running?

Idk what you mean, you talk with your feet so you the spessman can't walk and talk at the same time. There's probably a problem I am not seeing?

AFAIK if you use arrow keys instead of WASD you're able to move at the same time you talk?

I don't know ...

Diasyl

>Commit crime
>Get arrested
"WTF literally 1984"

Botany can grow deathnettles, and Security can arrest them for it. Not like they are going to shoot you to death and then bomb the Hydroponics; just sit out your 7 minutes in a cell and start growing them in a more hidden spot.

Diasyl

I read through the Patreon tiers again and noticed that forum banners are not mentioned on a single one, although I remember there being one.

You can no longer get your own banner up on main page of the website?

Diasyl

Why we didn't make audible emote spam bannable already?
Seems like most of the problems can be solved by just banning them.

Diasyl

When you spot someone set to wanted, go get in their face and ask what they're wanted for over security comms. Ignore the criminal entirely while doing this.
If another officer is trying to baton someone and they're in a closed space, place yourself firmly in the way out so they can't escape.
When ...

Diasyl

Beat people up for making defenses during nuke ops. Beat up and lethal anyone wanting a weapon from the armoury during a blob round.
Ignore the genuine calls for help over the radio whilst you're arresting people for littering.
Threaten the lawyer for doing his job.
Make sure to spend most of your ...

Diasyl

Also I got a idea for organizing Security, although it is only on paper wasn't tested yet:

Security Task Forces!
Problem
Coordinating Officers presents several challenges:
Many Officers have short attention spans and often don't monitor chat.
There is no physical leader to follow in ...

Diasyl

Have any of you ever had any kind of strategy as a Security?

Like sure, you might say that you always take something and then use that, or that you just turn on your batong and rush into antags. But that's minor personal things, I'm speaking more grandiose.

Like I as HoS always try to get my ...

Diasyl

As a Sybilian migrant to Manuel, opposed. I feel like Jacquerel had the most reasonable take here - removing the unrestricted antags will remove too much of the fear factor of the funny looking maints hobo stabbing you because there's no one who is unrestricted to stab you without 10 minutes of ...

Diasyl

Flashes became such a big antag tell because they are dogshit, no one would actually use a flash as it's too situational so a normal crew member would rather get their hands on any other kind of self defense weapon.
Even Seccies never use flashes really, outside of abusing moths.

Diasyl

I really find any major midround threats too distracting from whatever happened before.

Like you might have a intriguing plot, which suddenly gets derailed as "KILL THE DRAGON OR WE ALL DIE".
Actually that recent PR which added a station trait which allows only outside antags, we should make the ...

Diasyl

I think this is just an RD issue.
RD must oversee their subordinates and their department.

If a Roboticist builds combat mechs FNR (especially on MRP) the RD must ask them why, and at minimum enforce them to put a beacon on them.
If they deny - as per RP Rule 3 RD can do anything about this, from ...

Diasyl

The great thing about Gulag is that it's a great shitters filter.

A just Tider would mine their petty 100 points, but a shitter Tider will just ghost 1 nanosecond after being shoved into the teleporter.
Double points if he makes a Forum post, and quadruple the points if he also opens a PR removing ...

Diasyl

Closest I can find on short notice was a discussion from 2021I had with some players

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590051584495321100/1183106291309232148/image.png

TL;DR You can very easily justify killing security but preemptively wiping the floor with them without any ...

Diasyl

Ninja could've used any other security console on the station, and cameras don't pose that great of a danger as AI will locate them anyway.

what if this was the first one they saw or thought of, do you think ninjas should avoid interacting with security at all costs?

Ninja is (at least ...

Diasyl

ok then this is already policy

If It was this policy thread wouldn't exist.
There is no policy preventing Restricted Antagonists from murdering all of the Security, as such admins make mixed decisions.

Half of the admins go "Antags can kill all of the sec no matter what", the other half go ...

Diasyl

Do we really have mrp admins who have read the mrp rules and think that antagonists are allowed to slaughter all of security just because they want to slaughter all of security?

This is the thing with policies that aren't fully codified, admins can interpret vaguely written policies in any way ...

Diasyl

ok then this is already policy

If It was this policy thread wouldn't exist.
There is no policy preventing Restricted Antagonists from murdering all of the Security, as such admins make mixed decisions.

Half of the admins go "Antags can kill all of the sec no matter what", the other half go ...

Diasyl

By this I mean them taking pro-active/offensive measure to kill ALL of the Seccies.

Diasyl

Forget everything I said about my examples or whatever, this became a big misunderstanding.

I want to say that Restricted Antagonists (which are not allowed to murderbone on MRP) should not just destroy ENTIRE Security department for no reason.
They still must be able to kill Officers for almost ...

Diasyl

We got driven off the point really.

I'm gonna recite the main point again:
Antagonists (on MRP) should not be allowed to indiscriminately kill all of the Security department just for being Security.
They still can kill them if they stand in the line of their objectives.

The first comments by ...

Diasyl

We got driven off the point really.

I'm gonna recite the main point again:
Antagonists (on MRP) should not be allowed to indiscriminately kill all of the Security department just for being Security.
They still can kill them if they stand in the line of their objectives.

The first comments by ...

Diasyl

"I was just watching the cams" <-- "I was just providing overwatch for the team, ready to invisibly summon the entire sec force on any suspect activity without them having any idea"

This way you can even name standing somewhere a constant danger, as they oversee that area with their eyes ...

Diasyl

"I was just watching the cams" <-- "I was just providing overwatch for the team, ready to invisibly summon the entire sec force on any suspect activity without them having any idea"

This way you can even name standing somewhere a constant danger, as they oversee that area with their eyes!
Or ...

Diasyl

a sec officer scrubbing cams is a threat to any antagonist.
Ninja could've used any other security console on the station, and cameras don't pose that great of a danger as AI will locate them anyway.

Ok chuckle nuts, then why were you watching them?

Looking for anything suspicious ...

Diasyl

a sec officer scrubbing cams is a threat to any antagonist.
Ninja could've used any other security console on the station, and cameras don't pose that great of a danger as AI will locate them anyway.

Ok chuckle nuts, then why were you watching them?

Looking for anything suspicious duh ...

Diasyl

Space Ninja decapitated all of the Security members on the station. I was attacked when I was just watching Security Cameras unaware, capped.

You would have 100% killed the ninja on sight if you had the chance to. This is the expected way for security to deal with ninjas. How is it even ...

Diasyl

Closest I can find on short notice was a discussion from 2021I had with some players

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590051584495321100/1183106291309232148/image.png

TL;DR You can very easily justify killing security but preemptively wiping the floor with them without any semblance ...

Diasyl

Closest I can find on short notice was a discussion from 2021I had with some players

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590051584495321100/1183106291309232148/image.png

TL;DR You can very easily justify killing security but preemptively wiping the floor with them without any semblance of ...

Diasyl

mrmelbert wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:51 pm This is already a thing

It's been ruled this way since I can remember, I guess it's just been lost to the whims of time

Got any links or screenshots?

In any way, if it did get lost - we can restore it.

Diasyl

my understanding of restricted antags vs sec has always been that it either needs to be in pursuit of your objectives (this secoff is posted in engineering and i need to sabotage the engine, i'm going to kill him) or you have a specific example in that round that justifies attacking sec (officer ...

Diasyl

my understanding of restricted antags vs sec has always been that it either needs to be in pursuit of your objectives (this secoff is posted in engineering and i need to sabotage the engine, i'm going to kill him) or you have a specific example in that round that justifies attacking sec (officer ...

Diasyl

No. This is a terrible idea. For the same reason it would he dumb to disallow murderboning if crew validhunting was allowed. Security is allowed to freely search for, validhunt, and attack antagonists. Antagonists must be able to freely do so in return without having to worry about justifying it ...

Diasyl

Enforcing the Law is not being a "shitsec".
Tiders should have a bad time. If you want to access something - ask for it, if you don't want to - break in and get it with the risk of getting arrested.

This is just a risk factor for going with a more straightforward way of acquiring things.

Diasyl

The concept of security, as it is commonly understood, is intended to act as a barrier between an antagonist and their objectives. However, my observations on the subject suggest that security can often become an objective in and of itself. Antagonists may attempt to kill Security members to acquire ...

Diasyl

Isn't the whole point of space exploration is to acquire loot?
Really stupid to just not allow a person play a part of the game they want to play, especially when that part of the game doesn't even directly harm anyone.

Diasyl

The saying of that disabling human authority would make Command more competent is really stretched.

There is the same amount of competent non-human players as much as the human players. I think this telling actually accuses human players of being bad at Command.

In any way, there is no that much ...

Diasyl

For my time in the Tgstation I have noticed one thing, a "hostility" between Manuel and every other server (at least people talk about it). This especially is happening with any change that adds some kind of RP mechanic, restriction or such.

As a Manuel mainer now would like to hear everything ...

Diasyl

What's for sure it will improve is the security department quality, as now to play security you don't need 300 minutes just as crew which gives you almost nothing to security knowledge.
But you need 300 minutes on the security cadet, who is in the security department and understands its functions ...

Diasyl

i never liked the idea of departmental assistants because newbies learning jobs are never “wasting slots”- that’s a terrible perspective to have and we should instead focus on making the jobs more approachable. adding these jobs would just bloat up the departments and jobs. some certain jobs ...

Diasyl

Like, I have actually done it now lol

Diasyl

I don't think they should be called "Assistants" since that might attract people wanting to tide but with more access. Maybe "Trainee?"
Also make it like sec officers where you pick a department you spawn in assigned to so it's only one job but with subsets instead of five+

You can surely give ...

Diasyl

Departmental assistants would be assistants which are specifically designated to a certain department, having the access but being the lowest of lowest in it.

Departmental assistants would preserve the actual job slots with gear and responsibilities to people who know what they're doing, while ...

Diasyl

Sybil and Terry are fairly similar. It used to be that Terry was just Sybil except more structured - a more structured and organized command, sec, and medbay which resulted in a bit more of a controlled environment especially for antags. But it's more or less equalized in that regard. Now the main ...

Diasyl

For my time in the Tgstation I have noticed one thing, a "hostility" between Manuel and every other server (at least people talk about it). This especially is happening with any change that adds some kind of RP mechanic, restriction or such.

As a Manuel mainer now would like to hear ...

Diasyl

For my time in the Tgstation I have noticed one thing, a "hostility" between Manuel and every other server (at least people talk about it). This especially is happening with any change that adds some kind of RP mechanic, restriction or such.

As a Manuel mainer now would like to hear everything ...

Diasyl

For my time in the Tgstation I have noticed one thing, a "hostility" between Manuel and every other server (at least people talk about it). This especially is happening with any change that adds some kind of RP mechanic, restriction or such.

As a Manuel mainer now would like to hear everything ...

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