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Skillywatt

Killing “kat green” because they’re always a cat person is metagaming by the very definition. This post isn’t meant to defend or condemn anyone in this thread but going down the road of “well we have to view both sides and everyone always thinks you’re a cat person” is using OOC information in a ...

Skillywatt

apologies in advance for rule lawyering but I don't think its possible to discuss this without doing so

if there is a sec team, and you are a crewmember. It doesn't matter how many people die, even if most of sec dies to the (same) antag, if they delam the SM threatening your life, nada.

a few ...

Skillywatt

tweaking movespeed on manuel to encourage widespread RP seems kind of redundant

arent the people who want to RP already on manuel?

RP is encouraged by default, shouldnt have to adjust the game too much to do that.

the primary thing this would change is SEC interaction with the crew. talking to ...

Skillywatt

a few thoughts, fwiw, which isnt much

1. there is serious gaslighting going on ITT and IRL. we play games to get away from RL. this is ok, there's nothing wrong with people wanting to get away from irl bullshit

2. part of getting away from RL is being able to call someone a fucking n-word/bundle ...

Skillywatt

op is a terrible idea and kinda implies "ided" from a rev round.

the primary way you actually win revs as a head of staff is ordering a bunch of implants and randomly dropping people and implanting them against their will.

a better suggestion is to actually enforce the alert levels, at least on ...

Skillywatt

I used the shotgun. You know why?

Cause the shot gun doesn't miss, and unlike the shitty plasma cutter it stops a megafauna in its tracks in two hits. Bang, bang, and they're fucking done. I use four shots just to make damn sure. Because, once again, I'm not there to coddle a buncha side-sprite ...

Skillywatt

hopefully peanut compliant post:

Adding to/adjusting the definitions so that players can post in a thread regarding something they weren't involved in, IF IT IS TO BRING UP/POINT TO/HIGHLIGHT a rule, precedent, or piece of evidence that was missed that is relevant to the situation.

I was the ...

Skillywatt

best part so far is arresting people who door-creating-staff into armory during a wiz round while they shockedpikachu.png thinking wiz round means MRP disappears

Skillywatt

Lavaland is only used by power gamers looking for gamer gear, a place to feel like you “won”when you escape there after nuke ops get the disk, and gulag.

Delete

Skillywatt

Mrp to me means talking befor acting in most scenarios. As sec, try to talk to the assistant breaking into shit before random disablers. Try to talk to your patients as a doctor before wordlessly throwing them into cryo.

Mrp isn’t about what you can and can’t do, necessarily, as much as it is about ...

Skillywatt

If admins are going to dismiss ahelps from uninvolved individuals, then this shit shouldnt be policy either.

It makes zero sense other than "because" to allow one but not the other.

The rationale in the locked policy thread of needing context doesn't fly because I ahelped someone literally talking ...

Skillywatt

two things could be done to alleviate some issues:

1. better define/better enforce banbaiting and how it relates to escalation. I've read a good number of "escalation" appeals overturned wherein the person who originally ahelped probably could have gotten a talking to for ban baiting. There's even ...

Skillywatt

The main thing removing maintenance access does is remove the ic shield from dropping and searching randos in the maintenance tunnels.

I'm not necessarily supporting this (I think shitters need a containment role), but just saying.

If you have justification to search maintenance as sec and arrest ...

Skillywatt

Just use space law. It's pretty robust, and the option is always there to ignore it if you want to be proper shitsec.

I could use space law but lets be real here no-one uses it
No wonder everyone thinks security is awful these days. I should start playing more warden.

Sometimes I go warden ...

Skillywatt

Violence should be acceptable when that's the only recourse to prevent harm.

Borgs really only have flash and running away with the victim as true defensive options and if neither of those are viable, law 1 demands you do something to prevent harm.

Unless the non-human is an antag, I would expect ...

Skillywatt

Just posting to say I love your idea for a station and completely agree with your assessment of Meta. I'll probably download your work and run around on it at some point.

Skillywatt

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I actually like the complexity.

Doctor and sec are probably my most played roles outside of greyshirts and sillycon, but I quit playing doctor because it was getting stale. This really isn't a bad change if you have chemists that actually want to get ...

Skillywatt

It's not terrible if you have competent, dedicated chemists.

Hahahahabahahaha

Skillywatt

Playing a sec is a lose-lose, if you do your job poorly people complain, if you do your job perfectly people would still complain.

This is true in some sense. I think the root cause of your issue here is when does aggressive grey-tiding turn into "act like an antag" territory and valid the ...

Skillywatt

Cremating someone because they have a handteleporter isn't something a regular crew member can do and should net a security ban if that's the justification used.

Sec already enjoys relaxed escalation rules and ooc protection (can't mame security for doing their job); SEC therefore is expected to ...

Skillywatt

Flash changes are a Borg nerf. For sec, it's a combination of buff/minor annoyance. Sucks to lose another insta-drop but the vast majority of powergaming antags also had flash immunity and only the shitters didn't, and you didn't really need that against shitters.

The only thing that really "sucks ...

Skillywatt

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of security getting in trouble for round removal any more than anyone else.

I've seen quite a few ban appeals in the last few months wherein a player was justified in their kill but caught a ban due to round removal.

I agree some tightening up of the round ...

Skillywatt

I remember a player named George Lucas. He was an assistant main who would disposal himself into captains office on box station every. single. round.

You could expect to see him being dragged off by the captain or some sec officer in the first 2 minutes of every round.

I'm pretty sure people would ...

Skillywatt

yeah I'll be honest I'm a little surprised to even hear of this.

I'd probably be shitting myself with anticipation if peoplemwalked up to me when I'm lawyer asking me to write/interpret a player contract.

Skillywatt

It's obvious emotions got involved on that permaban but it is what it is.

Rule 1 exists for a reason and if that guy was being a dick elsewhere then why bother with him? Waste of space.

That said, I'd have more pause if the ban reason was "transphobia" but I'm pretty sure it's actually because he ...

Skillywatt

combining some of the ideas here of "easing" people into it while testing the waters and seeing what, exactly, the denizens of tgstation consider "MRP", maybe have MRP days on certain servers.

Like every saturday is MRP day on sybil-2 or something like that, where MRP is encouraged but not ...

Skillywatt

These ideas are fantastic and I will tell you why.

When I play security, I lament the fact I have to play proactive. It runs contrary to engaging, thoughtful play, but I have to do it because right now the meta is basically "you act second, you die".

Giving security a chance if they act in good ...

Skillywatt

It would just be used empirically every round against lexia black. That would be the meta.

Skillywatt

traitors are executed because they can do whatever they want with impunity (OOC protection) and you rely on a good-faith exchange for them to not immediately max cap the brig after you let them go or put them somewhere you know theyll escape from.

the only way to incentivize perma is make it ...

Skillywatt

CPTANT wrote:removing taser actually significantly nerfed security their ability to fight people with jetpacks.

this is true and a separate discussion. removing the ability to insta-drop someone at range was a shadowbuff to jetpacks and bloodcult

Skillywatt

most of these are absolutely ridiculous and have the potential to impede regular conversation.

just filter net acronyms and face shit like "lol" and "OwO"

I'm sorry someone saying "skillywatt is a ling" breaks immersion in your 2d atmos simulator but seriously, fuck off

Skillywatt

wardens bolting doors and using strategic barricades on blue shifts is fine. thats exactly what I'd expect a "warden" to do in-charge of lethal weaponry with "suspected threats". I actually consider a warden a shitter if they dont at least do this.

a bloo bloo bloo tiders and antags have to use a ...

Skillywatt

Yakumo_Chen wrote:Add the "this is a critical role" to all heads of staff, ned

Security roles should have at least a basic outline of security precedent from the rules page.

Should also remind detective players it's preferred they play detective and not a red shirt with a revolver.

Skillywatt

seems like zombies are antags and antags can do whatever, including nothing.

Skillywatt

tinodrima7020 wrote:
terranaut wrote:did you try just killing the antag lol
Kill this!
*unzips instastun weaponry and activates adrenals*

nothin personnel, kid

Skillywatt

It's true. I can't count how many times we've had an APB out for a stimpacked, no-slip equipped murder-bonerer only to find his bloody corpse surrounded by 3 assistants and the clown.

Skillywatt

I've been playing on event hall mostly lately because it's kinda fun playing with new players and showing them the ropes.

occasionally some non-sense will happen that goes above and beyond a newb being a newb and I ahelp, but there's almost never an admin online and rarely does one show up to ...

Skillywatt

low pop murderboning is frowned upon.

imo things that are "frowned upon" but not explicitly against the rules should be:

1. discouraged with code

2. meddled with by online admins

3. repeat, egregious offenses met with note and rule 0 bans

in that order.

#1 is already kinda done with the more ...

Skillywatt

Clown took egun first then KA, then was killed by OP with a plasma cutter.

This one needs a headmin ruling.

Skillywatt

escalation policy from the wiki

If a player wrongs you(theft, attacks, etc), you may retaliate. If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die, even if you were not the original ...

Skillywatt

the fact one of our longstanding admins doesnt understand silicon policy is probably a good sign it's time to revamp them.

Skillywatt

(or forceborging where the alternative is execution)
Bullshit.
2.Voluntary (and ONLY voluntary) debraining/ cyborgization is considered a nonharmful medical procedure.
2.1 Involuntary debraining and/or cyborgization is a fatally harmful act that Asimov silicons must attempt to stop at any point ...

Skillywatt

Just clean up surgery to make doing it slightly less cumbersome, more interactive (complications that require special reactions between steps) instead of just being a memorized routine, and move reconstruction operations to earlier in the game.

Once that's done we can yank off the bandaid and ...

Skillywatt

stasis beds make medical less "exciting" while also more of a hassle

rushing to defib a patient and then stabilize with meds was one of the actual fun things about medbay

you took out that excitement and replaced it with mundane activity

my thoughts

1. put sleepers back with only epinephrine
2 ...

Skillywatt

I've played SEC somewhat extensively on both bagil and sybil

I deal with powergamers, meta-gangs, and round-grudges far more often on bagil. Acting in good faith as SEC almost always gets me killed. I go there if I want to see a bunch of action and literally "fight the tide". You have to validhunt ...

Skillywatt

Who was the cmo? I feel like this is relevant information.

There is precedent for punishing round removal even when the deceased was "valid". Stripping a plasmaman and hiding the corpse is pretty much round removal.

Skillywatt

I understand the drive for this, but I will say that sending some clueless inept moron to head your department is exactly what I'd expect nanotrasen to do.

we arent a high or medium RP server and we arent supposed to worry about "winning" (lol).

I can see both sides of the issue, I don't think it ...

Skillywatt

I actually dont hate this idea; I've never played plasmaman but if the point is to make it "hard mode" ss13 then "perma death" is about as hard mode as it gets.

my only tweak suggestion is to make them cause a flash fire when they die instead of merely a tile of plasma. I'd rather the plasma get ...

Skillywatt

I have a lot of reservations about this. Silicons influence every aspect of the game and you can argue that the game is pseudo balanced around it. Random roundstart lawsets would fuck with a lot of shit.

Further, if you're just going to remove "cancer" lawsets, then I don't really see the point in ...

Skillywatt

I flip my shit sometimes when it dominoes like *arresting an assistant for breaking into cargo*->SHITCURITY ARRESTING FRANK FOR NO REASON-> entire brig has to deal with self antagging unfunny memelords. That doesn’t always happen though, so I have something to live for.

I remember a time it was ...

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