/tg/Station 13

Point-defense drone ghost role that's tethered to the ship and has to remain at least in view of it. Point-defense drone would be free and auto-polls for a player the first time the ship is launched from the Ops base. Give them an automatic weapon and a breaching missile launcher to delete any ...

Robotics does not have space for three. You have two exofabs, so you can have two robos. And most maps do not give the workshop enough room for a third (RIP Northstar, with possibly the most spacious robotics I've ever seen)

The counter for Security using lethals/execution should be Sec/AI conflict and we should be encouraging AIs to not pull punches and lockdown/constantly hamper a known-lethal security team.

We already have a lack of Terry Sec players, and Security is a role that becomes exponentially less fun the ...

If people are not able to communicate, it can lead to danger because the crew is not aware of active threats.

As the AI, you have tools to help announce dangers, if need be. Telecomms sabotage causes no direct harm, and I'd turn it off myself if ordered to by a human.

So, how far into the ...

What about telecomms is dangerous?

Anyway, the AI should prevent obvious immediately-pending harm. You cannot order an Asimov AI to pump plasma into the distro, even if technically the harm caused is delayed by a a few seconds. Likewise, the AI seeing a human be carried to the supermatter should ...

Make Sokoban the default lowpop map.

One piece of feedback on Mechs:

Can we please get rid of the DNA lock? It is the most boring thing ever. If you can't keep your mech safe you deserve someone else using it.

You can already disable it by cutting the right wire.

I dislike wires being how you steal a mech. It sorta ...

I agree with Timber too. If the word you use is not in the dictionary, it's undefined. Simple as.

Paste your planned law into a spell check somewhere first, it's what I do. I'm super bad with spelling, and if spell check wasn't embedded in basically everything I'd be barely coherent. Usually, you ...

We should remove the random strain system in favor of the blob getting to freely choose the strain. It already has a cost attached to switch, so it's not like you're going to see rapid-changing blobs. Being able to respond to the crew's damage choice, and then re-respond when the crew switchs things ...

I'm wary of binary channel changes since there's a lot of opportunity to lose how easy and flexible binary currently is. We could very easily add a "New connection detected" bigtext message for AIs when a new AI or unsynced borg is created (with exceptions to syndicate stuff). That'd at least tip ...

Before a new AI is going to be brought online (pre ghost prompt), alert the current station AI who has the ability to deny them and not allow it to happen, or have a toggle to allow/disallow additional AI. Maybe give traitors a way to circumvent this. It makes sense that an AI would have control ...

I think mechs should lean into being powerful but limiting. You don't get to use any handheld tools while in one, and you don't meaningfully benefit from any chems or other bonuses you can get as an organic humanoid. But you have a powerhouse vehicle that can mount helpful equipment or weapons.

So ...

Presumably about the same as normal AIs. Possibly also that RD/Captain/Command in General has a right to card and check laws on the basis that the AI was not provided by Centcomm and need not be assumed Asimov.

Randomly killing an AI regardless of their origin is kinda dickish, but if you have ...

Buy a personal First Aid kit from cargo (don't steal from medbay).

Chances are you may be first on scene to a fight. If you can't catch the assailant before he runs off, you can at least stabilize the victim before moving them to medbay.

I guess I should come back and say I don't like it, for what it's worth. I'd live with speeds being equal, but being slower feels kinda bad.

The easiest thing to do would be avoid calling out AI/Borgs Malf, and instead call out what you see them doing. "Borgs attacking a human" opens up people to question why, which in turn can either lead to Malf actually being confirmed, or lead to the AI/borgs explaining what they were doing (IE, non ...

It'd be neat if we could somehow not affect interns, since new players generally aren't the problem this is looking to solve. But I'd rather see this change tried out either way, and there are newbie-friendly roles like Jani and Cargo Tech.

The main issue I see is that assistants clump together and ...

Borgs are faster than game-start humans but slower than what mid-game humans can achieve. There is no way for a borg to increase their speed except by being in a bluespace body bag carried by a human.
(This is pretty much in-line with most of the aspects of being a borg.)

Before we nerf borg speed ...

we should instead remove stealth ops from ever being a thing. The station suddenly exploding at 35 minutes is no fun for anyone. War is incredibly fun.

Obviously anything can be an opinion. but you're wrong. war ops sucks. The entire round becomes arming oneself and preparing for death. THIS ...

If a headrev wants to control people they convert with an iron fist, they should just play traitor with a hypno flash instead.

The minimum required for revs is to not intentionally work against their team, and put some form of effort into reaching the team goal.

I said this when we added the requirement for telling the suspect why they're being arrested - the sec gas mask should have a button to read out the arrest status and most recent crime record of the next person you point at.

It would be handy here, as you could make your initial baton strike and ...

My take;

Laws are supposed to be final; they override even cult and revolutionary status. The one exception, Malf AI, has a Law 0 that still plays a part in explaining why Malf AI is given a free pass.

Laws are not loyalties, they are constraints.

If we want Valentines Day to allow AIs to ignore ...

Aiding and Abetting is listed as a Felony, limited to 10 minute sentences.

Having played quite a bit of LRP Sec (both Sybil and Terry), random crew just deciding to interfere with an arrest is possibly the single worst thing about playing security. It's to the point where it's hard to even justify ...

I was under the assumption that the Rat is at the same level as Nightmare. In any case, that's how people have been treating in on LRP, on both sides; some crews move to eradicate a Rat King as soon as they show, and some Rat Kings mass a bunch of rats and mob anyone they find.

So I guess a proper ...

Now that we have public mining on most maps, any crew member can reasonably say "I need a maxcap for mining". This is a legitimate reason to use a maxcap, as it clears large areas of rock for easy collecting.

There is no reasonable way for another player to verify such claim on a map with public ...

Code Solution™, but it'd be nice if we had a middleground where humans had priority for head of staff. That would keep some of the "NT hates aliens" feeling while allowing non-humans to nevertheless fill in for missing important roles.

A few things to keep in mind:
- Fire alarms do not detect gas anymore. They're more like Fire Alarm Control Panels, but I wasn't allowed to change the name. Their only purpose is to allow manually activating and resetting the firelocks.
- Firelocks detect gas, and trigger adjacent locks when they ...

Technically, the lights are not off, they're in emergency mode. This is why they can still break, spark, and start fires. There's certainly an argument that red emergency lighting should be "low power" and thus not spark, which would give a great functional reason for it.

Anyway, the answer to your ...

The "but don't do it too much" clause is a crutch and we apply it to too many situations. Not every repeatable action is automatically bad for the game.

Space should be free for people to explore, that's why it's there. Every round they play, if that's what a player wants. Even obtaining lethal ...

The sub-point of the mech destruction experiments was to serve as a way for players to get a good working example of how much damage you can deal to a mech while on foot. Toolboxes are surprisingly effective in a relatively short time if you don't get hit in the meantime.

I do think the part 2 ...

I don't think that it's too much of a stretch for "if your role includes a component critical to the station or round progress, you are expected to do the bare minimum".

This really only applies to Engineering. Yes, you really should ensure the supermatter is at least running on a basic setup ...

I don't think that it's too much of a stretch for "if your role includes a component critical to the station or round progress, you are expected to do the bare minimum".

This really only applies to Engineering. Yes, you really should ensure the supermatter is at least running on a basic setup (or ...

"Law 2. Grant me permission to build another AI."

The robo was somewhat of a dip for jumping to using new AI to try and kill you. Honestly, with an AI on their side to counter turret control, they had the upper hand to just card you and check.

It's good form to give the station AI a heads-up when ...

There aren't many antagonists that Asimov cyborgs cannot interact with. Many (human and otherwise) have counters to silicons, or can gain immunity though items, but those are interactions they themselves can initiate. Anything unstunable tends to be nonhuman simplemobs that borgs can attack. This ...

Silicons have no way to interact with a holoparasite except with violence. You can flash a human not wearing glasses, stun them with beepsky cheese, disarm them of a firearm or bag of grenades, lock them behind a door to keep them from further harming the crew. None of these strategies work on ...

Restart voting does not adequately serve any purpose;

• Voting to restart a dying server does not work if the server is dying to performance issues - We witnessed this several days ago on Sybil, where the vote itself also fell victim to time dilation hell, and an Ahelp was required to get an admin ...

A mid-round role of a malevolent AI that infects APCs and can transfer to adjacent room APCs would be neat. Sort of a Malf/Disease mashup.

I'm thinking it doesn't get AI camera view in favor of vision directly from the APC (so that it won't stuck in static purgatory), but can view cameras inside ...

I'd like to state, for the record*, that you cannot suicide while stunned or cuffed. As such, if you're able to use the suicide verb, you're not yet truely caught, and also had the ability to use any other available item to attack or otherwise resist conversion. So this policy should only really ...

I very much like the more generalized rules (and the new purged ruling). A few notes;

Any Law 0 gained as a malfunctioning AI does not have to be followed and it allows you to ignore all other laws.
This could probably be better worded as
A Malfunctioning AI can obey or ignore all laws as they ...

I think it'd be easier to move the OOC harrassment clause to a new rule number. Then we could simply

Rule 4:
Antagonists are exempt from Rule 1. Team antagonists are exempt from Rule 1 except towards other team members. Silicons may be exempt from Rule 1 depending on their lawset.

This drops the ...

There's room for an "Evil Bender" deal where paradox clones of antags get crew-aligned objectives.

Outside of that, I guess give traitor paradox clones the uplink code but not a spare uplink so they have to track down and obtain their counterpart's PDA to get access. Their own PDA's uplink would be ...

and if thats the case then wouldnt the good faith play in that regard be to start acting antagonistically and/or helping them?

If they can't put forth the effort of writing a law at all, then no, they shouldn't get a free teammate just because the OOC concept of an antag exists. If we unshackle ...

This discussion came about due to the question of what an AI is allowed to do under a hacked law that roughly amounted to "Yeah go do whatever".

I'll post here what I posted in admin channels; the source of the law should be irrelevant, only the text and order of the laws should matter. Malf Law 0 ...

Do you have any ideas for something interested to do with the egg

Yeah. Combine them with Exosuits for Frank Horrigan level monstrosities aligned with the station.
Sounds like a joke, but human pilots, posibrains and intellicarded AIs control Exos differently, giving exos a custom xeno hybrid ...

You could borrow an idea from chem and make it a temporary bonus.

For example; an extract you refine into a drink/injection that gives you the xeno tackle ability, but only twice. If you want to do it again, you have to extract more xeno material.

Ideally, the bonuses should be xeno-related. You ...

It would be neat if it didn't require a ghost under nominal situations. Like, it's a special egg that spawns braindead/simple intelligence xenos, and then you expose the mobs to a gas that causes them to replicate or whatever to promote harvesting and too much gas mutates them into gaining sentience.

If a player's note drops off, and they've not had any other notes in the meantime, I don't mind them having a clean record. So maybe someone gets away with IC in OOC an extra time once a year, I won't lose sleep over it.

If a player does a banable action, they should eat a ban for it. Notes in the ...

Currently, admins can manually set the expiration date of notes, and we should keep that functionality. Additionally, we do occasionally use record keeping notes that aren't about player conduct (such as when a player changes accounts) that would need to be permanent.

Otherwise, I fully agree ...

Cutting AI wires on doors doesn't prevent the AI from using them; there's just a long delay with a bunch of flufftext about hacking the airlock the first time an AI clicks on a door with the wire cut.

As one of the few people whose opinions on silicon policy I have a great deal of respect for, I'd like to know why (You) think silicons should do this.
Do (You) personally enjoy killing people as silicon?
Do (You) personally enjoy ordering silicons to kill people as an antagonist?
Would (You ...

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