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Screemonster wrote:> is a dick
> gets dunked for being a dick
> whines about getting dunked for being a dick

cry some more

probably should read the thread.

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But the second you see plasma you just run into atmos and turn off the pipes/unwrench, and how will you die to plasma, wouldn't you just turn on your o2 mask if your an atmos tech?

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I'm all for not getting wordlessly flashed-killed/blown as a borg in 80% of roundtypes. A+

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Not-Dorsidarf wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:I think a "updated" version of Asimov would make a good addition as a core module in the upload. We can call it Neomov or something.
Shilling for Reporter as default AI lawset.

Reporter was hilarious the one round when I had it.
"Click this link to find out more."

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If you want a pure Asimov experience, remove silicon policy and let players handle the interpretation of laws as they see fit, giving each AI its own flavor depending on who is playing.
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How is law interpretation related to sillicon policy? Most situations are the AI's interpretation is the ...

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Remove Asimov Law 1 inaction clause.
You really should read Asimov's short stories.
The robot could drop a weight on a human below that it knew it could catch before it injured the potential victim. Upon releasing the weight however, its altered programming would allow it to simply let the ...

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I gave some examples of situations where someone does know the full situation outside of a rage cage. Assistant breaking into science after being threatened with a spear, traitor attacking detective after detective's said he'll shoot in self defence, and so on. Just to be clear, are you saying ...

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The problem I see with this is that letting someone else harm you is not self harm.
Now I don't particularly think borgs and AI's should interfer with fight clubs because that's some nofunallowed shit, but that's what asimov really implies.

Running out an airlock is not the same thing as willingly ...

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The problem I see with this is that letting someone else harm you is not self harm.
Now I don't particularly think borgs and AI's should interfer with fight clubs because that's some nofunallowed shit, but that's what asimov really implies.

Running out an airlock is not the same thing as willingly ...

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Self-harm is not human harm. That's the easiest and most straightforward way to lay out the rules and it creates an outcome that makes everyone happy.

I'm honestly contemplating coding that in for asimov, either explicitly into the law or as a note when you become a borg.

We decided a long time ...

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Self-harm is not human harm. That's the easiest and most straightforward way to lay out the rules and it creates an outcome that makes everyone happy.

I'm honestly contemplating coding that in for asimov, either explicitly into the law or as a note when you become a borg.

We decided a long time ...

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Why would the AI care that the HoS killed non-humans?
It's like a definition update, you thought those people were included in humanity, though now you understand they weren't actually so you can' stop locking down the HoS. Because even though he killed humans in the past, he actually didn't because ...

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i still believe the game would be better off without these or any variation of them, at least until borgs are given more weaknesses

What more could you ask for in weaknesses? Flashes, Laser pointers, EMPs, LAWS, an entire fucking console dedicated to LOCKING THEM DOWN AND BLOWING THEM UP.
How ...

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Self harm.

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You can move those stupid spells that show up on the top left of your screen by dragging them where you want them so they aren't in a useless corner.

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You'll never know true horror until you try to get fixed by a roboticist.

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I've assessed my ability to code this and found that I can definitely do the bola launcher, the injector (which will use crytobiolin aka the chemical whose ONLY PURPOSE is to make you dizzy and move weirdly), and the flash. The energy shield I won't do, but instead I'll give it a safety holotape ...

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Zilenan91 wrote:But that just makes everyone die quicker without making combat more fun, that would just be frustrating.

I'm sure this would do the same, if not quicker then more without anyone noticing, and more one by one.

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Ideally paranoia comes with dying quickly. Lifeweb does it by having really meaty, juicy combat and very quick death. Here it's the opposite, we're flour bags of health that take a while to die.
Then change everyones health from 200 to 100(100 crit to 50 crit) instead of this change that fucks a ...

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Lifeweb has comms and there's still plenty paranoia, this change is just punishing for no reason.

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dionysus24779 wrote:I don't care anymore, I'm gonna take a huge break from this game. Will make a lot of people happy too.

I'll miss you friend.

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I was considering suggesting a borg that was more geared towards actually preventing people from harming one another rather than doing sec's job for them. A "peacekeeper" borg with items like an energy bola launcher, sleep toxin injector, etc. No cuffs/zipties or hard stuns.
A energy bola launcher ...

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Reminds me of the round when abductors had me and like 3 other people and just kept us all asleep for the rest of the round.

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Could've just tossed more flashes and laser pointers about the place.

The big bad borg isn't much of a threat when it can't move (or speak?) for more time than it takes to scrap it with your esword.
I'd rather just not have the module if you think that's fun.
>I'd rather be really powerful and ...

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Could've just tossed more flashes and laser pointers about the place.

The big bad borg isn't much of a threat when it can't move (or speak?) for more time than it takes to scrap it with your esword.
I'd rather just not have the module if you think that's fun.
>I'd rather be really powerful and ...

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Could've just tossed more flashes and laser pointers about the place.

The big bad borg isn't much of a threat when it can't move (or speak?) for more time than it takes to scrap it with your esword.
I'd rather just not have the module if you think that's fun.
>I'd rather be really powerful and ...

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Malkevin wrote:Could've just tossed more flashes and laser pointers about the place.

The big bad borg isn't much of a threat when it can't move (or speak?) for more time than it takes to scrap it with your esword.

I'd rather just not have the module if you think that's fun.

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Make the revenant not be able to kill borgs with no possible way for the borg to stop it, flee, or do pretty much anything except sit there and die as their emp cooldown coincidences with any movement a borg can make.

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The baton is useless since takes a full charge to stun someone 10 times, which is required.

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Now that secborgs hopefully aren't a thing anymore there isn't a whole lot of point in doing this.

An unsynced engiborg is worse than a secborg to a rogue AI. No amount of door depowering will slow it down.

Last night a malf mediborg dunked the entire sec team.
To be fair I used my charm to ...

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That person probably does it all the time, Ive seen someone do it in the past as a warden(with someone faking a implant resist) and I've had to stop HoS's from executing them on the spot because they don't notice that he font is bigger and they emoted it.

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They paid $400 to the guy not to release it, and he did it anyways, the madman.

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Basil isn't a fun place to be. There's a looooot of pubby griefers and the metafriending is still terrible.
Oh wow, so I guess the AI isn't a big problem that should be removed if you're not willing to deal with that to not have it. :^) :ai:

Why not do it all basil instead so no ai can be with ...

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Zilenan91 wrote:Basil isn't a fun place to be. There's a looooot of pubby griefers and the metafriending is still terrible.

Oh wow, so I guess the AI isn't a big problem that should be removed if you're not willing to deal with that to not have it. :^)

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just kept ai on server 1 and remove it from sybil, problem solved
Yes lets remove features from the arguably 'main' server, good call.
I'm just saying it so all the people with a problem with the ai are happy. if someone likes ai they could just play on the other server.
Why not do it all basil ...

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TheWiznard wrote:just kept ai on server 1 and remove it from sybil, problem solved

Yes lets remove features from the arguably 'main' server, good call.

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I was given a 16 minute ban for IC OOC that I feel was undeserved.
I am not appealing it because 16 minutes is not worth the trouble of complaining.
I am posting here because I think the point needs clarification.

So this is what happened:
I was an engborg. I set up a Tesla engine. The containment ...

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Remove round-start AI and much of the circuits that allow the immediate building of one round start. If R&D does science and makes one in 30 minutes, then that would actually not bother me so much. You will have an AI sometimes, and sometimes not.
However, removing round start AI removes traitor ...

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One of my biggest issues is that cyborgs often don't know weather to follow their laws of their AI master's orders. The game doesn't do anything to instruct the player on what takes priority, causing more confusion. I've had countless security cyborgs on asimov arrest me (when I had committed no ...

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In 2011, the deathsquad was called on Dante Smith when he was killing everyone with an LMG.
Granted I think an admin gave it to him, but stuff being called because of killing isn't new.

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Try upgrading the freezers and other machines in toxins

Possible. Heat doesn't matter, once you hit 100 celcius the canister will start to internally burn and hit those 50k+ numbers.

Fridge could matter but it would be a huge pain since even the default low reduces pressure so much that you ...

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It doesn't need a policy as this is obvious meta, a comparison is bolt-depowering doors at AI core.
If either of these are done without previous reason, then it is punishable.

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Rip Solar
Don't know where you went.

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Anywho, the main reason I made this topic is because for a while now I've seen plenty Ai doing things such as the following examples:
Asst: "Ai open"
Ai: ":S Asst is ordering me to open door to brig.
Sec:" Ai belay that order" *Arrests asst"
That's something I've seen alot of Asimov Ai do to try ...

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JustAnotherUser wrote:Does anyone have a guide or something to opening the Deca-Code lock on that one crate at mining? I can never seem to get the damn thing open. I know to click it with a multitool after each attempt but I'm terrible at the codebreaker solving.

You use the ion rifle on it until it opens.

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Unless he got hit in the head and it got removed by rng no.

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Prime example of why nonantags who scream BORGS ROGUE fnr get bwoinked. Nobody trusts silicons.

To be honest this kind of brings up a question of when it's alright to actually act on people screaming about borgs being rogue. Just because someone's screaming the borgs or AI are rogue I imagine it ...

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The borg was just following the ai's orders, so you can't blame the borg.
And let's say for example a traitor killed 5 people then was killed after, the ai breaks no laws preventing his cloning like in this case even if you law 2 him, at least from a law standpoint as he will probably harm again.

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You should expect to be killed for less to be honest, if you think THAT'S bad enough to make a thread over you'll see worse.

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