[POLL] [IMPORTANT] Should extended be removed from secret?

[paprika]

Should extended stay? It was removed and is now back as of recent. Do the players of artyom want it to remain or not?

Pretty simple question. If you don't understand it your vote will probably be wasted anyway.

We DO have 2 hour mark crew transfer shuttles if you want to oocly vote on a shuttle call.

[Tokiko2]

Only if we get below 20 players.

I don't mind <20 extended at all, but when we actually get 20+ players ready we really shouldn't have extended as an option.

[paprika]

I don't know if there's a way to make it not work with >20 people ;~;

[Gun Hog]

I do not have a problem with keeping Extended. It usually turns out to be either Admin mode, or grief fest. Honestly, I do not have strong feelings either way.

By the way, your poll and title do not match. "Should extended remain in secret?" as title, "Should extended be removed from secret?" as poll question. That may confuse some readers.

[iteq]

extended is extremely unnecessary on artyom because most ling/traitor rounds end up being very quiet anyway

[Higgin]

ayy lmao

[Psyentific]

But if extended is out of the rotation, I can't say ">extended" at the end of the most chaotic round of the day.

[Tokiko2]

I've noticed that extended tends to empty the server which is bad for obvious reasons. Has happened frequently in the past few days. Especially bad when we get 20+ players ready just for boring extended round.

The argument that "admins can run events during extended" is pretty weak aswell. There's times where there's no admins, there's times where the admins don't feel like running an event and when they do, they can just force extended anyway.

[paprika]

A very close poll, I'll give it another week before bringing it to scaredy.

[Psyentific]

Extended can lead to some of the most eventful and memorable rounds. Why, just the other day, I was an Assistant that got promoted to Captain, encouraged Engineering to use a superpressurized canister of burnmix to burn Clown Planet to the ground (and then burn the ground), played judge, jury, and executioner for the Chief Engineer's war crimes trial (Can't be war crimes without war!), quashed a half-handful of malcontents who dared to question the glorious Nanotrasen justice system, got the shuttle called, and burned escape with a superpressurized canister of burnmix.

Remove Extended? Poppycock - Extended is as aulde and goode as Traitor, Changeling, and Nuke Ops. You can't remove Extended - When else are you supposed to actually get shit done?

[paprika]

During any of those other modes if you're competent. A lot of the time doing your job during those modes can counter them. If RnD gets shit done during blob they can shit on the blob easily. If engineering is competent they can reverse atmos floods by malf ais and remove shocked doors and shit and help the crew. Cargo can order insulated gloves for everyone.

Once you realize that doing your job during extended basically amounts to nothing you come to miss the chaos.

[Swagile]

During any of those other modes if you're competent. A lot of the time doing your job during those modes can counter them. If RnD gets shit done during blob they can shit on the blob easily. If engineering is competent they can reverse atmos floods by malf ais and remove shocked doors and shit and help the crew. Cargo can order insulated gloves for everyone.

Once you realize that doing your job during extended basically amounts to nothing you come to miss the chaos.

And then you create said chaos so that your job is actually useful.

Extended is usually one of the most chaotic round types. And I love it because of that.

Out of every 3 peaceful extended rounds, you get that one extended round.

You are on fire, dual welding eguns while running away from the clown who's space lubing everyone into escape that is filled with medibots. And all of those medibots have big beaker ethanol loading in them for honk value.

The above is just an example of how crazy some extended rounds can get. Throw in daring admins pressing buttons to support and/or start gimmicks, and you have rounds that are infinitely more fun then almost all other game modes.

[paprika]

But the clown lubing hallways is bannable and griefing why would you encourage that

[Swagile]

But the clown lubing hallways is bannable and griefing why would you encourage that

do you even play extended.

people do worse then lube the hallways, lmao.

[Psyentific]

Extended is basically DIY Antag

[Cipher3]

Extended Assistant has actually gotten me fun times a lot.

[Incomptinence]

If extended is consistently making players leave it isn't good for our lower pop server.

[Tokiko2]

It is. Compare how empty the server has been the last few days after extended was added back it. It's very noticeable.

[Swagile]

It is. Compare how empty the server has been the last few days after extended was added back it. It's very noticeable.

Sybil crashed / was being updated 2-3 times for a week or two so far. That is a contributing factor to population spikes.

[Helios127]

3 to 6 hour rounds. On the off chance that you die (especially if its through no real fault on your own) then its a long, long, long time until you are able to play again.

Not fun at all. At least on normal rounds they usually last like what, 2 to 3 hours at most? So if you do die, the station is usually at unfixable levels of fuckary due to antags fucking with shit.

[Steelpoint]

The average round on /nt/ lasts for around 60 minutes statistically speaking.

In addition I would not try and make a connection to the addition of Extended to the surge in server activity, as noted Sybil and Artyom both were down for extended periods of time recently due to the servers being updated. As such that would naturally see a large increase in user activity to play on the servers.

[Cipher3]

3 to 6 hour rounds. On the off chance that you die (especially if its through no real fault on your own) then its a long, long, long time until you are able to play again.

Not fun at all. At least on normal rounds they usually last like what, 2 to 3 hours at most? So if you do die, the station is usually at unfixable levels of fuckary due to antags fucking with shit.

Crew transfer votes at two hours and then regularly after. We never run near six hours.

[Helios127]

3 to 6 hour rounds. On the off chance that you die (especially if its through no real fault on your own) then its a long, long, long time until you are able to play again.

Not fun at all. At least on normal rounds they usually last like what, 2 to 3 hours at most? So if you do die, the station is usually at unfixable levels of fuckary due to antags fucking with shit.

Crew transfer votes at two hours and then regularly after. We never run near six hours.

Extended is an oddball like that. Sure, you can have a captain who will call the shuttle because he stubbed his toe, but more often you will have the round be pushed for as long as possible, and it often is seeing as how theres absolutly nobody around to dick the station.

I dont want to hear any claims of "BUT WHAT ABOUT ANTAGS WHO DONT WANT TO FUCK OVER THE STATION" as most antags want that glorious green text to some extent. The longer you wait around, the larger the chance of someone beating you or you failing your objectives for any number of reasons. As such, its in your best intrest to do things like weld+screwdriver all doors or shove a bomb in sec and yell that some asshole bombed sec, your choice.

Extended is basically DIY Antag

Only if you like getting banned.

[Miauw]

extended should ONLY be removed if people agree to not complain when their valids are ruined by admin events.

[iamgoofball]

extended does not fucking work when we have less then 15 people who regularly get on the server

remove that shit, it shouldn't be able to be rolled anyways and it being rolled is a bug because of the fact scaredy has the probability for extended set to 0

So technically, it needs to be removed anyways because it shouldn't be rolling in the first place


if admins want a gimmick event rount, they can force borextended themselves. We do not have the population for extended rounds at this time. And we never will because artyom's dying.

[NikNakFlak]

Outdated info goodball.
You left for two weeks and stuff changed.
Pay attention and stop groping fot hate that is not there

[iamgoofball]

Around this time before I left we would of had 15-20 people on artyom.

Now the most we have is 5-10 people, tops.

In the middle of what was once the busiest season of ss13.

For a game of extended to be "fun" we'd need at least 15-20 people so it's not just talking to the same guy the entire shift.

[ColonicAcid]

Outdated info goodball.
You left for two weeks and stuff changed.
Pay attention and stop groping fot hate that is not there

No it's not outdated info, go look at the thread, I specifically answered the fact that because once a day for 2 hours it's over 20 players doesn't mean the server is alive, not in a million years.
It's dying, and the quicker everyone realises this and does something about it the less damage is done. Generally people notice it's dead when it's far too late and the damage has already been done.

[Tokiko2]

You had plenty of time to see for yourself why adding extended was a bad idea. Can we get rid of it again before it kills the server entirely?

[Mat13295]

You had plenty of time to see for yourself why adding extended was a bad idea. Can we get rid of it again before it kills the server entirely?

Implying it isn't already ded.