/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:37 am**

I am a long time fan of the Alien franchise (as well as Predator)
and my favorite antag to play as is obviously the xeno.
But the xeno isn't as true to the films as they should
(with photo evidence from the film), so
here are some important improvements that could really
change the way xeno is played/ played against.
(Yes I do understand that it's very stupid to
change something that hasn't ever changed)

1. Xeno babbys molting skin:
Something often overlooked
is that xenos actually molts
its baby skin (See image below)
so it may grow into its full form.
How to implement this: when a baby xeno
evolves into a big xeno it would leave
behind a molted body that would look
similar to the dead larva sprite but without blood
or head features. This molted skin would be
found by an assistant or someone and will
be a definite sign of what antag the station
will be going against.

2. Xenomorph's highly acidic blood
One of the xenomorph's most well known characteristic
is the its molecular acid it uses for blood.
I was amazed to see that this had never
been implemented in any way.
If shot or lashed in any way the bloodshould leak from
the creature and melt through the hull of the ship.
(See image below and note the quote)
How to implement this:
When a xenomorph sheds blood it will drop acid
equivalent to sulfuric acid and can only be
removed by bleach or it will dissolve through
at least one layer of the ships hull.

Thank you for taking your time to read my post.
Lets see how fast we can make this become cancer,
like every other fucking post I made.

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:46 am**

idea 1 is pointless but flavorful and would be neat

idea 2 has been suggested and had a PR at one point. apparently it's too hard to implement properly because it's so easy to coat literally fucking everything with blood by dragging a corpse around

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:49 am**

Couldn't they just make it so acid blood only occurs when they get hit rather than when dragged around

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:23 am**

PKPenguin321 wrote:idea 1 is pointless but flavorful and would be neat

idea 2 has been suggested and had a PR at one point. apparently it's too hard to implement properly because it's so easy to coat literally fucking everything with blood by dragging a corpse around

Thanks for not raping my self respect.

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:03 am**

Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:46 pm**

MrEousTranger wrote:Thanks for not raping my self respect.

erp is banned and rape is double banned

Toxic blood would be workable, I remember a blood refractor that got merged and if we could apply that to xenos that would fix the toxic blood EVERYWHERE problem.

also I think we can agree that #1 is only for fluff and will not 'change how xeno is played'

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:35 pm**

Armhulen wrote:
MrEousTranger wrote:Thanks for not raping my self respect.
erp is banned and rape is double banned

Toxic blood would be workable, I remember a blood refractor that got merged and if we could apply that to xenos that would fix the toxic blood EVERYWHERE problem.

also I think we can agree that #1 is only for fluff and will not 'change how xeno is played'

Yes #1 is much more of an aesthetic, but say theres an assistant walking through maint.
find this ugly thing

now look into chat and you see this.
[COMMON] Billy Bob screams, "OH SHIIT GOIMS I FOUND XENO SKIN ITS A FUKKEN XENOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
[COMMON] Larry Burger exclaims, "WHAT OH SHIT EVERYONE TAKE YOUR CYANIDE CAPSULE!"
[COMMON] Jim Jones asks, "HoP are you ok?"
[COMMON] Ruben Nash says, "Hi guys it's me captain, there's a xeno in my office I'm fucking dying"
[COMMON] Jim Jones says, "Cap the hop killed himself"
[COMMON] Kylo Ren says, "Ughhh... whatever hes fucking lucky..."
[COMMON] Lia Brarian says,"The Lusty Xenomorph Chapter One: The lusty xenomorph maid brushes the captain throbbing co-"
[COMMON] Simon Simmons screams,"KYLO REN IS A FUCKING TRAITOR"
[COMMON] TR-8R says No hes not
[COMMON] Billy bob says, "guys xenos got me... really hurt..."
[COMMON] Is-The-Ligger says,"guysss I'm activating the nuke for usss"
[COMMON] Spaceman Johnson screams, "The clown just killed the LIBRARIAN!!!"
[COMMON] Klepto the Klown says, "Honk"

Posted: **Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:00 pm**

MrEousTranger wrote: [COMMON] Billy Bob screams, "OH SHIIT GOIMS I FOUND XENO SKIN ITS A FUKKEN XENOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
[COMMON] Larry Burger exclaims, "WHAT OH SHIT EVERYONE TAKE YOUR CYANIDE CAPSULE!"
[COMMON] Jim Jones asks, "HoP are you ok?"
[COMMON] Ruben Nash says, "YOU FORGOT HIGH VOLUME REEEEEEEEEEEEE"
[COMMON] Jim Jones says, "Cap the hop killed himself"
[COMMON] Kylo Ren says, "Ughhh... whatever hes fucking lucky..."
[COMMON] Lia Brarian says,"The Lusty Xenomorph Chapter One: The lusty xenomorph maid brushes the captain throbbing co-"
[COMMON] Simon Simmons screams,"KYLO REN IS A FUCKING TRAITOR"
[COMMON] TR-8R says No hes not
[COMMON] Billy bob says, "guys xenos got me... really hurt..."
[COMMON] Is-The-Ligger says,"guysss I'm activating the nuke for usss"
[COMMON] Spaceman Johnson screams, "The clown just killed the LIBRARIAN!!!"
[COMMON] Klepto the Klown says, "Honk"

FTFY

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:01 am**

Don't worry I'm way ahead of you there.

Molting has been planned for a while now, it's just low priority because it doesn't add much besides fluff and visuals, as opposed to gameplay.

Acid blood has been proposed a number of times, it'd just incentivize people to use ranged attacks even more (which I'm all for). Can be done at a later time because xenos really don't *need* more melee buffs right now.

Queen ovipositor stuff is next in line after the next wave of fixes, polishing, and balancing. This will make the egg laying process immobilize the queen, but give her AI-like vision to oversee things and function as a proper commander (also really necessary to not be bored out of your mind while pooping out eggs).

Xeno containment and research is even further down the line and is not gonna happen for a while, but it's planned out already. I think you'll like what comes out of it.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:46 am**

paprika wrote:Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead

this so much

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:57 pm**

iamgoofball wrote:
paprika wrote:Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead
this so much

I'm WJ, I have all these great ideas to improve the sprites and gameplay of xenos!

Colonial Marines? What's that? No way, /tg/ codebase coddles me and won't remove xenos as long as I'm 'sprite director' so I'm gonna stick around despite everyone crying about how Xenos are unfair, unfun, and bad gameplay EVERY ROUND THEY ARE PLAYED

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:12 pm**

Maybe you could also notice that the six or so past major xeno PRs have all been rebalances and fixes to try and make them more fair, and I'm still doing that? There's another big rebalancing PR coming next that will deal with their melee RNG and leap spam.

After that, it's literally a case of you sucking at the game and needing to get good.

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:17 pm**

Ah yes, cemented in your ignorance that nobody likes your feature like a good coder must be, you're really starting to learn how to imitate me now WJ

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:18 pm**

paprika wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
paprika wrote:Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead
this so much
I'm WJ, I have all these great ideas to improve the sprites and gameplay of xenos!

Colonial Marines? What's that? No way, /tg/ codebase coddles me and won't remove xenos as long as I'm 'sprite director' so I'm gonna stick around despite everyone crying about how Xenos are unfair, unfun, and bad gameplay EVERY ROUND THEY ARE PLAYED

i'm paprika, all i do is bitch about everything because i'm terrible at the game. quitting? why would i ever quit posting when i can constantly deliver terribly-reasoned diatribes for all my friends at the /tg/station forums to enjoy?

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:27 pm**

Cik wrote:
paprika wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
paprika wrote:Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead
this so much
I'm WJ, I have all these great ideas to improve the sprites and gameplay of xenos!

Colonial Marines? What's that? No way, /tg/ codebase coddles me and won't remove xenos as long as I'm 'sprite director' so I'm gonna stick around despite everyone crying about how Xenos are unfair, unfun, and bad gameplay EVERY ROUND THEY ARE PLAYED
i'm paprika, all i do is bitch about everything because i'm terrible at the game. quitting? why would i ever quit posting when i can constantly deliver terribly-reasoned diatribes for all my friends at the /tg/station forums to enjoy?

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:19 pm**

Atlanta-Ned wrote:
Cik wrote:
paprika wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
paprika wrote:Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead
this so much
I'm WJ, I have all these great ideas to improve the sprites and gameplay of xenos!

Colonial Marines? What's that? No way, /tg/ codebase coddles me and won't remove xenos as long as I'm 'sprite director' so I'm gonna stick around despite everyone crying about how Xenos are unfair, unfun, and bad gameplay EVERY ROUND THEY ARE PLAYED
i'm paprika, all i do is bitch about everything because i'm terrible at the game. quitting? why would i ever quit posting when i can constantly deliver terribly-reasoned diatribes for all my friends at the /tg/station forums to enjoy?

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:49 pm**

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Atlanta-Ned wrote:
Cik wrote:
paprika wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
paprika wrote:Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead
this so much
I'm WJ, I have all these great ideas to improve the sprites and gameplay of xenos!

Colonial Marines? What's that? No way, /tg/ codebase coddles me and won't remove xenos as long as I'm 'sprite director' so I'm gonna stick around despite everyone crying about how Xenos are unfair, unfun, and bad gameplay EVERY ROUND THEY ARE PLAYED
i'm paprika, all i do is bitch about everything because i'm terrible at the game. quitting? why would i ever quit posting when i can constantly deliver terribly-reasoned diatribes for all my friends at the /tg/station forums to enjoy?

Posted: **Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:05 pm**

Douchebags

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:06 am**

Goof, no joke, but are you and Pap like together now? No memes, genuine curiosity.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:38 am**

both of them are despised by many so much so to the point that they could say the truest, realest, most agreeable thing possible and people would still mock them rather than listen to them
so they have that in common i guess

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:18 pm**

Or we could ignore all those sensible improvements and just... do this: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/18545

Say it's an improvement and call it a day.

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:23 am**

WJohnston wrote:Or we could ignore all those sensible improvements and just... do this: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/18545

Say it's an improvement and call it a day.

Yes.

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:48 am**

Those sprites shouldn't exist

It's fine that the xenobio lusties exist because it's a rare thing that takes an entire round to see. They're more of an easter egg than an actual feature. These? It's just shoving meme shit in your face.

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:35 am**

The meme isn't just evolving. It's been changing faster and faster.

THE MEME IS ACCELERATING.

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:56 am**

WJohnston wrote:The meme isn't just evolving. It's been changing faster and faster.

THE MEME IS ACCELERATING.

Zilenan91 wrote:Those sprites shouldn't exist.

MrEousTranger wrote:Yes.

i did that out of my own degeneracy

you know who to thank.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:08 am**

QUICK EVERYONE STEAL IT FROM COLONIAL MARINES NOW!!!

3. JUST LOOK AT THEM

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:20 am**

CM xenos would look terrible here because there's nothing else like them in the same style.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:34 am**

MrEousTranger wrote:QUICK EVERYONE STEAL IT FROM COLONIAL MARINES NOW!!!

3. JUST LOOK AT THEM

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Steal those 2 .dmis, hmm, now why would we steal something our own spriters made?

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:36 am**

Remie Richards wrote:
MrEousTranger wrote:QUICK EVERYONE STEAL IT FROM COLONIAL MARINES NOW!!!

3. JUST LOOK AT THEM

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Steal those 2 .dmis, hmm, now why would we steal something our own spriters made?

well, If I knew your spriters made it would I have said to steal them?

No

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:46 am**

It's called sarcasm.
It was the most fun way to explain that those 2 .dmis were made by WJ, and stolen by Colonial marines.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:51 am**

Remie Richards wrote:It's called sarcasm.
It was the most fun way to explain that those 2 .dmis were made by WJ, and stolen by Colonial marines.

K.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:04 pm**

Firstly Colonial Marines don't use those sprites.

Secondly they're using their own unique sprites made by their own spriter.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:22 pm**

Colonial marines has made some new sprites, yes.

There's definitely some good sprites there, but the art style is very different from the rest of ss13 and especially TG (since most if not all of CM is being sprited by one guy, so it all follows his art style).

I can definitely look into remaking larvas and eggs, as well as touching up resin floors/walls a bit. That's not a huge priority right now though.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:29 pm**

No no no no.

I feel our current Xeno sprites are great, especially our xeno weed sprites.

I was just noting how CM use their own unique sprites now.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:51 pm**

you cant improve something that is already perfect

Posted: **Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:47 pm**

When are we gonna get unique sprites for xenomorphs that burst out of different creatures like the predaliens?

Get some fucking corgaliens or ligaliens in here.

Posted: **Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:31 pm**

I already sprited runners but right now the only source of those in the game would be corgis and cows.

Besides it's super low priority we have a lot more basic balancing and polishing to get through first.

Posted: **Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:54 pm**

Can we get some plasmaliens or flydaliens??

plasmaliens generate flames on death

flydaliens can fly (jk thats dumb)

Add playable predator race
EDIT: Let me be the specialist snow flake and Ill be the only Predator!!!!

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:55 am**

wasn't the space ninja originally a predator in old old old gooncode but they changed it?

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:48 am**

Goons still have predators but they suck

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:43 pm**

paprika wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
paprika wrote:Xeno improvements: remove them, play on colonial marines instead
this so much
I'm WJ, I have all these great ideas to improve the sprites and gameplay of xenos!

Colonial Marines? What's that? No way, /tg/ codebase coddles me and won't remove xenos as long as I'm 'sprite director' so I'm gonna stick around despite everyone crying about how Xenos are unfair, unfun, and bad gameplay EVERY ROUND THEY ARE PLAYED

Trash posts of the week right there, with two loudmouthed idiots pretending they speak on behalf of 'everyone'. Neat.

Also, xenomorphs were on /tg/ way before Colonial Marines even existed, I believe? Just what are posts like these for?

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:05 pm**

Sligneris wrote:Just what are posts like these for?

Justifying why Paprika got removed and why we should do the same to Goof, obviously.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:42 pm**

Bad idea shouldn't have removed pap
you should have fucking crucified him.
EDIT:
can we please get to the topic at hand and
recognize how fucking wonderful WJ is at spriting.

please add ovipositer and make it that when
the queen removes her sack it does massive damage to her
add this and predator snowflake race and my life would be complete.

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