Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Post by **Scriptis** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:15 am #11753

It seems like some people are not happy with what some moderators are doing. This thread is to complain, provide feedback, and otherwise whine or yell at anything forum related in terms of moderation, which includes deletions, moving, and other various forum tasks. This thread will have little to no moderation. I ask that anyone who posts here still continue to follow the forum rules and not resort to ad-hominem/personnel insults. If thread becomes too shitted up, it will be archived and locked regardless.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:27 pm #11821

I'm happy with how moderation is going in regards to FNR, particularly with how diligently you remove unrelated people making uninformed posts in ban requests and appeals. However, the same diligence is not required in Admin Feedback, where in order to provide constructive feedback, people need to offer examples. The issue seems to be that someone who does not offer examples as a part of their feedback looks like an angry troll without evidence, and those who do offer examples are labelled stenographers. There is an extremely narrow middle ground that people are being held to, and unless you just want to replace admin feedback with a 1-10 Poll in each thread, I really think these examples, in particular discussions of ban appeals and requests are extremely valid.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be monitored, but as far as I can tell, the reasoning appears to be that the original post in such a case will cause a torrent of bullshit to enter the thread, which is not untrue. That does not invalidate the original post, it just means that the thread needs more careful moderation to prevent them going off the rails.

Maybe encouraging people or forcibly moving posts to admin complaints when a feedback thread becomes dominated with extended discussion rather than individual or small groups of posts about specific criticisms would be a better middle ground, allowing a place for the discussion without the huge effort and formality constructing a proper admin complaint demands without looking like an idiot.

TheTerbs · Post by **TheTerbs** » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:42 am #12447

I have noticed there is a tendency to delete post for being "rude" and full of profanity

Its getting fucking ridiculous, people aren't giving proper deletion reason and are deleting things simply because they do not agree with them

Basically I am saying you guys delete too many fucking posts, this is bordering autismal levels soon I am expecting "no profanity, this is a family server" soon

For fucks sake you deleted my thread about my perfectly acceptable post being deleted, simply out of bias.

Post by **Vekter** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:23 am #12808

If that's in regards to my deletes, I've been canning posts that don't add anything to conversation and are either (close to) breaking Rule 1 or are nothing but racism/stupid bullshit

To me, a post that consists of "because he's a nigger" is worth deleting.

I nuked your thread because it was a drama bomb waiting to happen. There are channels you can go through to dispute admin/mod actions. A thread screaming ADMINS ARE JERKS isn't one of them. It had nothing to do with bias. In the future,contact an admin and ask why your posts were deleted before making drama bombs.

tunderchief · Post by **tunderchief** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:33 pm #20056

Abuses power.

Deletes posts that she doesn't like, etc.

I posted feedback on Subtlegraces' admin feedback thread concerning some very shady stuff he's pulled on me both recently and in the past, and Elyina deleted it pretty much instantly, perhaps because she was the one responsible for closing the most recent ban appeal thread out without giving it due course.

elyina · Post by **elyina** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:41 pm #20057

http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic. ... =44#p17399

If you read you'll find out why the appeal was closed. you are free to open a new one if you can behave like an adult.

your feedback post was removed because it was nothing but a petty shitpost flinging insults towards subtle. you also aren't supposed to post feedback on an admin that banned you while the ban is still active.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:45 pm #20058

elyina wrote:you also aren't supposed to post feedback on an admin that banned you while the ban is still active.

Who the fuck decided this? Certainly wasn't me, because it completely goes against the point of the feedback threads in the first place. Keep defending shitty admins elyina, makes you look great dude.

tunderchief · Post by **tunderchief** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:50 pm #20059

elyina wrote:http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic. ... =44#p17399

If you read you'll find out why the appeal was closed. you are free to open a new one if you can behave like an adult.

your feedback post was removed because it was nothing but a petty shitpost flinging insults towards subtle. you also aren't supposed to post feedback on an admin that banned you while the ban is still active.

>behave like an adult

Because doing whatever you want as admins and covering each others' backs is acting like an adult, yes?

You moved that ban appeal to resolved before any other admins could take a look at it. Which is important, since it's a shitty ban that needs to be discussed.

I called Subtle cancer because he's pulled this shit on me before, and you're apparently supporting this bullshit admin behavior by sweeping incriminating threads and posts under the rug. This isn't a hugbox. I don't need to be anything more than civil towards you if you're a shitty admin who interrupts my playing time with mickey mouse bullshit, or a shitty moderator who covers for said shitty admin.

Also, relocating feedback complaints made against you out of your Admin Feedback thread to save your image is utter shit tier.

elyina · Post by **elyina** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:59 pm #20061

probably because it wasn't admin feedback, it was forum moderator feedback?

tunderchief · Post by **tunderchief** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:01 pm #20062

elyina wrote:probably because it wasn't admin feedback, it was forum moderator feedback?

It doesn't make you not an admin, and you have this moderator position because you are an admin.

If you are a moderator, but not an admin, you wouldn't have the Feedback thread to begin with.

NikNakFlak wrote:Please post any positive or negative feedback for the administrator here.
This is not the place to discuss ban appeals, admin complaints, or ban requests.
This is for specific feedback for this administrator.

Post by **Rockdtben** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:08 pm #20064

tunderchief wrote:
elyina wrote:probably because it wasn't admin feedback, it was forum moderator feedback?
It doesn't make you not an admin, and you have this moderator position because you are an admin.

If you are a moderator, but not an admin, you wouldn't have the Feedback thread to begin with.

NikNakFlak wrote:Please post any positive or negative feedback for the administrator here.
This is not the place to discuss ban appeals, admin complaints, or ban requests.
This is for specific feedback for this administrator.

As the creator of Forum Moderators I will tell you that Forum Moderators are NOT the admins that the "For No Reason!" rules refers to. Please cease and desist.

tunderchief · Post by **tunderchief** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:27 pm #20070

Rockdtben wrote:
tunderchief wrote:
elyina wrote:probably because it wasn't admin feedback, it was forum moderator feedback?
It doesn't make you not an admin, and you have this moderator position because you are an admin.

If you are a moderator, but not an admin, you wouldn't have the Feedback thread to begin with.

NikNakFlak wrote:Please post any positive or negative feedback for the administrator here.
This is not the place to discuss ban appeals, admin complaints, or ban requests.
This is for specific feedback for this administrator.

As the creator of Forum Moderators I will tell you that Forum Moderators are NOT the admins that the "For No Reason!" rules refers to. Please cease and desist.

Fair enough.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:07 am #30349

Forum moderators have been doing a really good job and I think it's really helped the forum be a more constructive part of the community because we can have discussions without too much vitriol.

Especially Jordie, he's very good with enforcing the rules.

Incomptinence · Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:21 pm

Self serving forums administrator who views the position as a joke. A poor example to everyone.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:16 am #32820

Nah, it's cool. It should be discussed. I've been heavy-handed in regards to that topic.

Reason being, it's the same kind of bitter grumping that used to be more frequent on the old forums and that we've thankfully gotten away from a bit. It's completely fine to give feedback on a change and to give your opinion. However when the title of that thread basically amounts to "YET ANOTHER SHITTY CHANGE", and there's posts in it with comments like "coders won't listen to you anyway!!", "I DED PLZ NERF MEME" and literally "LYNCH HE", that's the kind of white noise threadshitting that I'm tired of seeing myself, and that I'm tired of my fellow developers having to see.

It does not help. It doesn't make your point stronger. It doesn't make anyone go "Wow, I'd better change that right away or else they'll yell at me on the internet more!. It's aggravating and it burns people out.

and oh god forbid someone uses wordfilters in a 4chan community, panic in the streets!!

Incomptinence · Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:06 am

I did not say anything about their coding or in game administration which I believe to be good.

callanrockslol · Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:29 am

Headcoder should not be a forum mod, this is such a bad thing

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:54 am #32891

Why was this locked?

http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1528

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:49 am #32904

leibniz wrote:Why was this locked?

http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1528

Refer to http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 626#p32820

Original thread title was "Removing default Hivemind from Lings is another awful change”, and had a number of attack posts directed towards coders. While I initially locked the whole topic, I decided that a few bad seeds shouldn't ruin the whole bunch and moderated the posts individually. Afterwords, the topic of course shifted from actual discussion to complaining about moderation and vast coder conspiracies.

The thread has already given all the constructive feedback it can.
Will it be considered? Yes.
Am I gonna open up a revert PR right away 'cuz some guy said "I DED PLZ NERF, LYNCH HE"? Nah, I don't put consideration towards posts like that and neither should anyone else.

Aside from that all it can serve as is a lightningrod for more "coders oppresin me" rhetoric.

Munchlax · Post by **Munchlax** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:18 pm #32928

callanrockslol wrote:Headcoder should not be a forum mod, this is such a bad thing

Basically this, I hope you can see why.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:15 pm #32949

geilebeer wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:Headcoder should not be a forum mod, this is such a bad thing
Basically this, I hope you can see why.

Because I'm revoking people's apparent right to attack others? If there's some concern about bias or something, let me remind you that Headmins also get moderator privledges. Wouldn't they be equally biased towards admins?

Munchlax · Post by **Munchlax** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:27 pm #32997

headmins dont do jackshit so no.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:45 am #39935

I find it very amusing/annoying/weird to discover that Damiac, Miggles and myself have just received the honer of having a "Rarely plays" title awarded to us.

It is unfortunate I've had little opportunity to play SS13 significantly due to real life concerns in the past month, but it seems a bit harsh to single out certain community members over what is honestly a trivial thing. Is this meant to be a bad thing, something to devalue our opinions or is it a friendly jab?

Just strange is all.

Incomptinence · Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:55 am

Steelpoint being (presumably) eliminated from the vote as a "rarely plays" not as a coder. Publicly scorned to boot, wonder how many coders would rightfully fall under the same title.

Talk about keeping it civil and professional.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:49 pm #39954

Apparently HG applied the tags.

Incomptinence · Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:48 pm

Maybe if you were a pestilential volcanic blight on all around you prone to despoiling things at the drop of a hat you would make more friends.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:02 pm #39969

I talked to MrStonedOne in game.

He's refused to lift our "Rarely Plays" status, he put out some arbitrary number that you have to play the game at least 30 time's a month to not be on the list.

What I find must obnoxious is that of all the people that were assigned this new status, the only three people who were given the assignment have been the three people most critical of coderbus as of the last few weeks, since again Hornygranny was the one to assign these statuses.

QuartzCrystal · Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:09 pm

Steelpoint wrote:I talked to MrStonedOne in game.

He's refused to lift our "Rarely Plays" status, he put out some arbitrary number that you have to play the game at least 30 time's a month to not be on the list.

What I find must obnoxious is that of all the people that were assigned this new status, the only three people who were given the assignment have been the three people most critical of coderbus as of the last few weeks, since again Hornygranny was the one to assign these statuses.

I thought MSO said you have to play more than once in 30 days?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:13 pm #39971

Probley, I was busy playing as a Nuke Op to recall the exact wording.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:57 pm #39980

Don't you know Comrade? Only members of the Party can be critical of it, not that members of the Party would be critical of Dear Weaders.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:00 pm #39983

Nvm, I'll just stay out of this brewing shitstorm for now.

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:00 pm #39984

shouldn't this be in the coders section or something

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:02 pm #39985

Miauw wrote:You're literally just mad that your cosplay was removed alongside a dumb invisible helmet.

And I don't play much either because sybil has too many players and basil too little.

While I am still annoyed I've stopped dwelling on it. No point in seething over something you can't change.

All I'm doing here is pointing out a unexpected tag assignment.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:04 pm #39986

Pls I changed my mind about wanting to participate in this discussion

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:49 pm #40009

I think (I do not know for sure) that is placed upon people who play little but post in certain forums like policy (damiac) or feedback. You.

Post by **oranges** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:40 pm #40019

Come on MrStonedOne

You're making my imageboard administration look good

ExplosiveCrate · Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:43 pm

This is pretty fucking petty.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:46 pm #40021

>being this mad

Don't get mad when you never play ss13 and your STRONG opinions about people RUINING ss13 is discredited by this fact.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:53 pm #40025

For what it's worth, I don't have "rarely plays" and this rubs me the wrong way. Both because it's petty and because I don't think connection logs should be used for this.

WeeYakk · Post by **WeeYakk** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:39 pm #40029

paprika wrote:>being this mad

Don't get mad when you never play ss13 and your STRONG opinions about people RUINING ss13 is discredited by this fact.

On the other side of the coin anyone who doesn't have the title can have their feedback disregarded with "If you don't like it so much why are you still playing?"

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:48 pm #40031

lol i dont even care its just hilarious to see HG stoop this pathetically low

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:00 pm #40033

ExplosiveCrate wrote:This is pretty fucking petty.

Bonus points for giving paprka more ammo to shitpost with.

CocaneStyle · Post by **CocaneStyle** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:09 am #40055

Maybe if everyone got a title that described how often they play this wouldn't be so petty, but I doubt anyone will put in the effort to make this not shit.

Hornygranny · Post by **Hornygranny** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:02 am #40069

It's natural that the most visible players were first selected to have that rank. If you look at the members list, you're all near the top for post count. I've gone through the first three pages of users, which is everyone with 100+ posts.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:47 am #40079

Twist it how you want but it's nothing more than a petty, uneeded, attempt at trying to devalue people's opinion. I've never seen a forum ever do something of this calibre.

I have to ask but what benefit does this give to the community?

EDIT: Also the fact that your ignoring the fact I've sunk a large amount if time into this game over the course of a year or so, but instead you focus down on one month. People take breaks all the time, even admins and even you HG take breaks.

Yet now we have to signal these people out? As I said, it's petty.

Hornygranny · Post by **Hornygranny** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:39 am #40099

Go ahead and play the game if you care so much about it.

Hornygranny · Post by **Hornygranny** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:50 am #40128

You may be glad to know that the HTML5 webclient is almost ready, then.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:07 am #40136

Man that would be hilarious but I'd still do it

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:21 pm #40225

on one side of the table we have mr hornygranny and mr paprika
on the other side of the table we have people who are being ostracised because muh opinions dictate that they don't play.

this has more drama than WWE hot damn. someone start playing get low because
we're
getting
low

Post by **oranges** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:01 am #40371

When do I get mine?