[bgobandit] Howdy-Cmo and Chemist job ban

[Howdydoody]

Byond: Freshandfruity Character Name:Howdy
Banning admin: Bgobandit
Ban type (What are you banned from?):job ban from cmo and chemist
Ban reason and length:Long history of lubing, injecting with drugs, and otherwise griefing as non-antag chemist/CMO permanent?
Time ban was placed (including time zone):2016-01-08 04:08:53 PST
Your side of the story: bgobandit only saw the logs not what i was doing.At the time I was banned i used lube when i was running from a guy who was attacked me.i did give pills to a few people

Why you think you should be unbanned: my use of lube was purely defensive and not for any griefing purposes.
the injecting was me giving pills to 3 people 2 of which were brain dead the other person came back asking for more and the pills were non lethal all they did was make walk in random directions and had a short duration.
As a side not.The long history of lubing is misleading with the exception of a few, nearly every time was a grey area in which admins were unsure if the use of lube was ok or not but each time when asked to stop i stopped.
Also the injecting drugs has happen only 2 or 3 occasions including this time

[TechnoAlchemist]

Seeing as how you continuously made lube before there was reason to, it looks like you are just looking for excuses to use it. It's not that practical of a defense and just ends up making a bunch of other people frustrated as a result. You have been told many times to stop lubing and you didn't

[bandit]

I know this is anecdotal, but I don't recall a single time -- and there are many -- that I've seen you as chemist/CMO where you don't pass out drugs or lube things. (Drugging people who are braindead isn't an excuse. Braindead people can tab back in or restart the client at any time. Depending on what you drug them with, it might actually be worse, because they don't have a chance to say no or get away.)

Less anecdotally, this is not your first, uh, lube rodeo:

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=3825
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=4015

These are just the documented instances. You have been warned not to abuse chemist/CMO, all you had to do was not abuse it, but it continues to be a pattern. Other administrators and/or headmins are welcome to review this but I stand by this ban.

[iamgoofball]

regarding drugs

i intended for chemists to make them and pass them out

if he's clearly labeling drugs like krokodil as krokodil then there's no problem

if he's giving assistants meth, let security handle it because those are illegal drugs and security can bust him for it

my post is probably gonna get deleted but eh i hope I got my point across that in SS13 drugs AREN'T bad mkay

~~~the person who redid chemistry

[Zilenan91]

Could we rule lube as an IC issue rather than an immediate OOC issue? Or is the problem here that he has a large history of lubing?

[Saegrimr]

Or is the problem here that he has a large history of lubing?

I dunno about large but its been a thing of his.

2015-06-10 01:56:12 tsaricide (MANUAL BAN) Threw three lube grenades on the escape shuttle, ignored admin pms then signed out the next round. Appeal on the forums and explain why you did that.
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=3825

2015-06-30 14:47:31 niknakflak (MANUAL BAN) Griefing as chemist including mass lube and chloral hydrate in food and drinks which is lethal. No admins online at the time. This permaban is only here until you post in this thread:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4015

2015-09-13 07:40:48 technoalchemist Sybil - Warned for non-antag lubing.

[bandit]

The first two of those correspond to the two topics I posted, yeah. In the second topic there is a great deal of testimony from other players about how often this happens.

[Howdydoody]

in regards to me giving drugs to braindead people I know it isn't an excuse and I'm a moron and a jackass for doing it but i wanted to make it clear i wasn't using lube to knock people down and forcing lethal drugs in their mouths.in this instance i saw a new chemical on the wiki which I know isn't an excuse but curiosity got the better of me.

with the lube grenades on the shuttle I had just started playing and was unaware of some of the finer details such as the shuttle is off limits and admin pm.also that never happened again

with the mass lube and chloral hydrate. the main problem was the chloral with which there was a debate to if it was lethal at very small doses or lethal at any dose that ended in a mixed response and resulted in me never making choral again. the "mass lubing" the man had a problem with was that i handed out a large amount of lube to the mimes and the clowns but doing very little myself. So lubing by proxy if you will

for TechnoAlchemist lube is a great form of defense. My problem is that im not robust and if something is already happening i don't have time to make because I'm trying not to die so i make some in case to the point where someone in ooc complained of me power gaming which resulted in me toning down . also i have been told on maybe 3 different times to stop and they were months apart. never have i been consecutively told to stop lubing

the "great deal of testimony from other players" I'm going to go on a limb here and assume you didn't filter the testimony if i was antag or not because when i am antag chemist/cmo my use of lube is very liberal or during rev/gang rounds where on several instances my lube in combination with other chemicals became very deadly. I bet you could also find a "great deal of testimony" that i set people on fire alot or in others words it wouldnt be my first holocaust either.

So in short unless you want to sift through all this "testimony" you have and find times where i abused lube for no reason you're not going to find enough to warrant a permanent ban from Cmo/chemist.

[bandit]

The testimony can be found in the linked thread, much of it mentions rounds where you were non-antag. Without specific dates that's about the best that can be done; that said, the bans and notes do show several instances of non-antag lubing.

Basically, the fact that this has been an repeated issue for months, combined with the lack of judgment displayed even recently "I saw a new chemical on the wiki... curiosity got the better of me" only further speaks to the fact that CMO/chemist is not the best job for you to play at this particular time. Again, other administrators and/or headmins are welcome to review this but I stand by this ban.

[Howdydoody]

"several instances" literally 2 times of non-antag lubing. you would have a valid point if this happened consistently or constantly and not literally in my first month of playing.

if you want to criticize my lack of judgement on a literally harmless drug I can criticize your ability as a trial admin and general hypocrisy lets get started.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5550

- I also look at my notes because let's be honest, anyone in the same situation would do the same thing, and almost all of them were from 2013 (the year I started playing and was also kind of a shit IRL too)
-HG apparently says I'm either "unstable" or "deranged."
-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-TechnoAlchemist: I'm not lying to you, we kept one (2?) canidates and i guess you were the fan least favorite.(wonder why)
-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-KorPhaeron: One the headmins said not to candidate you that is the truth I dunno what anyone else told you(Again have to wonder)
-bandit "I really don't think this sort of bullshitting and double standards are in line with those rules"

Lets break it down
- you dont want most of your notes to be taken into consideration because you stated playing that year.
-no sane/stable person would give a permanent job ban for doing something literally harmless
-other admins were unsure/didn't want you for their own reasons but taking into consideration this instance they may be right or you could just be like every other trial admin and be over zealous just to show the big boys how good you'll be(i'm probably bias on this though)
-the bullshit getting a permanent job ban over a minor incident that harmed no one and lasted less than five minutes
- the double standard how their notes shouldn't count because they started playing that year. while mine should because they happened in my first month of playing

if you want judge my performance as cmo/chemist for something that happened 6 months ago during my first month of playing then go ahead, but you'll be judged the same because unlike you i read the sources I sight and you are completely unfit to be a trial admin let alone a full admin
side note the fact they let a trial admin perma ban anything is stupid

[Saegrimr]

Alright well since we're sliding into full retard territory, i'm going to close this and suggest you play something else for a while and calm the fuck down.