Helldivers is back, on PC!

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:17 pm #138880

http://store.steampowered.com/app/394510/

Welp. I was skeptical we'd ever see this on PC. 9 months later, it's here!

If you've ever wanted to experience the "put the goddamn mech in every slot" gameplay of Helldivers, but didn't have any Sony consoles, now's your chance!

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:57 pm #138888

This game is fucking amazing, played it on my buddy's PS4. I joked about it coming out on PC but i never thought it would actually come true. I expect there will be less friendly fire now that we can aim with our mouses like men rather than apes with joysticks. Buying it as soon as i have the cash, although admittedly that might be a little while

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:19 pm #138894

I remember back when this game was announced and I discovered it was a PS4 only title. At the time I stated how I would likely buy this game if it were on PC.

Lo and behold its now on PC. Seven hours later and I'm really enjoying it.

The game has a surprising amount of depth and strategy to it, even something as simple as selecting your initial deployment zone can have major ramifications for the mission.

My main warning is that this game, while it features the option to play alone, is really not meant to be played alone, at least on the higher difficulties. Fortunately its very easy to get into a game with random people, or friends.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:27 pm #138895

I don't think aiming with a mouse would help in this situation. It's built from the ground up to be a twin-stick shooter. I haven't played it on PC yet but if I had to guess I wouldn't be surprised if the M+KB controls are kinda shitty.

It's one of those games that could easily be made more accessible but purposely isn't. A part of the FUN! is the frustration of:

A) Imprecise controls that make you sometimes accidentally shoot eachother
B) Cramped screen real-estate that keeps you clumped together and unable to see too far in any direction
C) Clutter like a motherfucker that also encourages you to shoot eachother

etc.

It sounds worse than it is though. Like Magicka a big part of the fun are the stupid accidents and squad wipes. If you're looking for an MLG Pro top-down shooter experience and you've logged a thousand hours in Alien Swarm gittin' gud this is probably not the game for you. This is four jackbooted thugs hopping in a space truck to go oppress some alien scum and probably run eachother over a few times.

NInja'd

Steelpoint wrote: My main warning is that this game, while it features the option to play alone, is really not meant to be played alone, at least on the higher difficulties. Fortunately its very easy to get into a game with random people, or friends.

Definitely true. I'd even go one further and say it's only above-average when played with random people. To get the most out of it you really need to play it with friends (or at least people you know) so you know who to blame when some dumbass fumbles an artillery grenade into the middle of the squad.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:32 pm #138900

jetpack + autoshotgun is gg against bugs. in fact, jetpacks make anything better. never got far enough for the big multiman tanks and APCs but they looked awesome

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:51 pm #138931

I had a build that centered entirely around quick-cooldown artillery strikes for CC and super-damaging bunker-buster type strikes for hard targets.

Running around throwing nonstop hand-grenades to mark shit. Works great when you can communicate with the team.

Consistently gets everyone killed when you can't.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:05 pm #138937

I remember buffing up my turret whenever possible, as well as dropping a heavy machinegun on round start pretty much every time

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:19 pm #138960

Looks like Alien Swarm.
Is it like Alien Swarm?

Alien Swarm was good, could've been great if valve supported it as more than a novelty project.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:36 pm #138983

Like Alien Swarm with cool-down respawns and deployables because you often need one after using the other.

EDIT: No really there's nothing more fucking hilarious than when you throw a respawn beacon and a drop-pod comes crashing down from the sky and splatters another squaddie. And the new soldier just steps out like "HEY WHAT DID I MISS?"

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:25 pm #138989

Currently busy with Phantom Pain, but I'll put this on my list. We gonna get some four-player coop going?

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:46 am #139036

Actually just realised I can steam share this off my little brother so I am in for coop teamkilling shenanigans

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:48 am #139038

Oh yeah I heard about this game and that it was apparently really good. Doesn't it have some pretty good social commentary in it?

DrPillzRedux · Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:02 am

It does. You really need a controller to git gud at this though.

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:40 am #139050

Zilenan91 wrote:Oh yeah I heard about this game and that it was apparently really good. Doesn't it have some pretty good social commentary in it?

It's basically starship troopers (the film, not the book), the video game, isn't it?

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:13 pm #139108

invisty wrote:
Zilenan91 wrote:Oh yeah I heard about this game and that it was apparently really good. Doesn't it have some pretty good social commentary in it?
It's basically starship troopers (the film, not the book), the video game, isn't it?

alright now I'm interested

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:17 pm #139110

Well it can be Starship Troopers the book if everyone runs around in a Exo Suit.

Reyouka · Post by **Reyouka** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:28 pm #139114

It has shades of Starship Troopers, Warhammer, and others I'm probably forgetting. It has a really comical undertone though, especially with how often friendly fire happens.

DrPillzRedux · Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:21 pm

The music in this game is great. Always love games where the combat music has a more hectic, desperate feeling to it on higher difficulties.

[youtube]Ge20MtDHVNI[/youtube]

peoplearestrange · Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:27 pm

Ok this game looks pretty awesome. Reminds me of grinding "Hunter: the reckoning" which was a terrible xbox game but my god did me and my neighbours spend ages playing it. Twin-stick shooters are such a classic game style, and its nice to see some coop shooters are still being made (that aren't just creative/sandbox games).

EDIT: I'd definitely be up for buy this and playing with some peeps, has it only just come out? I wonder if it'll be in the winter sales.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:39 pm #139137

peoplearestrange wrote:Ok this game looks pretty awesome. Reminds me of grinding "Hunter: the reckoning" which was a terrible xbox game but my god did me and my neighbours spend ages playing it. Twin-stick shooters are such a classic game style, and its nice to see some coop shooters are still being made (that aren't just creative/sandbox games).

EDIT: I'd definitely be up for buy this and playing with some peeps, has it only just come out? I wonder if it'll be in the winter sales.

It's only just come out for PC, but it came out several months ago on PS4/Vita

EDIT: Game acquired. S'good.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:00 pm #139479

Purchased with all the DLC because I'm a shitlord but also having more toys to accidentally murder everyone with is fun.

This gives us a multi-crew tank APC thing to haul ass around in and oppress alien scum liberate the universe.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:24 pm #139503

Will be able to spread glorious explosive freedom in about 2-3 hours if anyone wants to play

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:44 pm #139509

I'm surprised this game didn't explode in hype on the PC. One of the best MP games to come out in a long, long time. Basically my dream game.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:30 pm #139526

Summon tank.

Me and another player enthusiastically jump into it.
Another player stands by in awe.
We immediately back over him.
Gunner gets out to throw down beacon, also gets run over by tank.
I get out to throw down a beacon.
Giant enemy crab appears and rips me in half.
RIP FREEDOM

peoplearestrange · Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:46 am

An0n3 wrote:Summon tank.

Me and another player enthusiastically jump into it.
Another player stands by in awe.
We immediately back over him.
Gunner gets out to throw down beacon, also gets run over by tank.
I get out to throw down a beacon.
Giant enemy crab appears and rips me in half.
RIP FREEDOM

This is what makes this game fun, well that and everything else.

I liked todays story of "HEY YOU TOOK MY JETPACK!" *shoots them, takes back jetpack, calls for reinforcement* "Ok I get the message".

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:47 am #139581

Never forghetti bike squad freedom force

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:47 am #139582

It's literally Magicka with space marines and almost all of the self-awareness.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:26 am #139589

Should've taken more screenshots.

Capturing a point by doing donuts around it with the whole squad mounted up on motorcycles was pretty fucking radical.

Here we are eschewing all that fun on-foot combat to assemble a mechanized unit.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:37 am #139592

Is there a 4 player vehicle? That sounds like it would be good fun

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:59 am #139597

peoplearestrange wrote:
An0n3 wrote:Summon tank.

Me and another player enthusiastically jump into it.
Another player stands by in awe.
We immediately back over him.
Gunner gets out to throw down beacon, also gets run over by tank.
I get out to throw down a beacon.
Giant enemy crab appears and rips me in half.
RIP FREEDOM
This is what makes this game fun, well that and everything else.

I liked todays story of "HEY YOU TOOK MY JETPACK!" *shoots them, takes back jetpack, calls for reinforcement* "Ok I get the message".

NOBODY takes my jetpack. It's MINE.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:05 am #139598

Wyzack wrote:Is there a 4 player vehicle? That sounds like it would be good fun

There's a HAV that I'm preeeeeetty sure is 4 player.

One person drives.
One person controls the turret.
The other two players each have a point-defense HMG mounted on the left/right sides of the hull.

My goal is to be the Support dude. I'll focus on using the Rep gun and improving my own survivability to give everyone else big buffs.
If everyone else wants to go ham on upgrading mechs, turrets, deployables, offensive strategems, etc. I'll get your back.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:09 am #139599

Could you theoretically get 4 people all focused on pimping out their performance in a HAV and all of you rolling in that.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:16 am #139601

Zilenan91 wrote:Could you theoretically get 4 people all focused on pimping out their performance in a HAV and all of you rolling in that.

Not really, since afaik there isn't any equipment that functions in HAVS.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:16 am #139602

My Battlewagon dreams are thoroughly crushed

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:20 am #139603

You could theoretically take a bunch of stratagems that deploy turrets and drones, since once those are working they don't give a fuck what you're doing, but turrets WILL shoot you if you are between them and an enemy, so big things with big hitboxes and turrets don't play too nicely together.

DrPillzRedux · Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:05 am

We're gonna lose this war, lads. Not enough people doing difficulty 6+ on bugs.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:59 am #139618

Don't think you lose the war if you fail an attack on the enemy home planet.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:08 am #139619

Zilenan91 wrote:My Battlewagon dreams are thoroughly crushed

It's do-able. Like Dryn said nothing works while inside the HAV, but you can still help out.

The wheelman takes four HAV's
Everyone else takes static field gens, REP-80's and other deployables.

Use the HAV's gun to complete destroy objectives.
Use static field gens and the side guns to complete defend objectives.
Fail escort missions because fuck that who cares.

DrPillzRedux · Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:11 am

Drynwyn wrote:Don't think you lose the war if you fail an attack on the enemy home planet.

You lose the momentum.

peoplearestrange · Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:43 pm

Zilenan91 wrote:It's literally Magicka with space marines and almost all of the self-awareness.

And less game breaking bugs! (Seriously I loved magica but it just failed to work so many times due to glitches and other right out crashing bugs)

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:24 pm #139651

DrPillzRedux wrote:
Drynwyn wrote:Don't think you lose the war if you fail an attack on the enemy home planet.
You lose the momentum.

True, but as far as I can tell nobody actually gives a flying fuck about the war effort, we all just want research points and new Stratagems.

Unrelated to the above: I have to wonder how macro capability will affect stratagems and high-level gameplay.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:24 pm #139652

Had some random connection issues between myself and Wyz.
Crashed once, but immediately downloaded a small update afterward. Games way of forcing patches?

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:25 pm #139653

Drynwyn wrote:
DrPillzRedux wrote:
Drynwyn wrote:Don't think you lose the war if you fail an attack on the enemy home planet.
You lose the momentum.
True, but as far as I can tell nobody actually gives a flying fuck about the war effort, we all just want research points and new Stratagems.

Unrelated to the above: I have to wonder how macro capability will affect stratagems and high-level gameplay.

Git gud. You won't need or care about macros if you memorize your strategems and get good at inputting then rapidly. It's not like the inputs change randomly.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:27 pm #139655

Get a upgraded Railgun, shoot big bad guys and stun lock them forever, call in a Railgun Stratagem strike on them, win.

I've found the Railgun to be pretty good against Cyborgs and the Bugs due to its stun locking ability that will stun anything sans the Cyborgs IFV. However against the Protoss its very useless, I've found just going for a rapid firing weapons, like the mid Patriot assault rifle, to be more effective.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:36 pm #139658

Sickle is the best gun in the game.

Works on everything. Pseudo unlimited ammo.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:58 pm #139679

Steelpoint wrote:Get a upgraded Railgun, shoot big bad guys and stun lock them forever, call in a Railgun Stratagem strike on them, win.

I've found the Railgun to be pretty good against Cyborgs and the Bugs due to its stun locking ability that will stun anything sans the Cyborgs IFV. However against the Protoss its very useless, I've found just going for a rapid firing weapons, like the mid Patriot assault rifle, to be more effective.

If you like stuns, SMG's have both rapid-fire capability and a stun bullets upgrade. They also have armor-piercing ammunition. Combines well with the rocket pack, since you can take riskier positions that minimize the impact of the SMG's short range while being confident that you won't die (immediately) if a problem happens.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:59 pm #139713

I'm trying to organize us in my head a little better so we can start tackling the harder levels to get HAV's for everyone and the like.

What roles do people like to play? What strategems (categorically, not specifically) do you like to use?

Eg. Dryn I know you don't like offensive strategems as much as you like to use deployable weaponry. I need to convince you to ideally start packing a recoilless rifle instead of your MG, or at least move up to the heavy laser cannon.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:11 pm #139721

I really like driving multi man vehicles. I also do not much care for using deployable airstrikes and the like. I see myself as the guy that calls in vehicles and ammo, although i do not have shit for vehicles other than a few mechs.

As for guns i really like the ninja SMG, has some armor piercing and a wicked fast reload. I can also make up for the short range with the revolver which is badass. I am not terribly in love with any of this stuff though, and am open to suggestions

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:36 pm #139729

An0n3 wrote:I'm trying to organize us in my head a little better so we can start tackling the harder levels to get HAV's for everyone and the like.

What roles do people like to play? What strategems (categorically, not specifically) do you like to use?

Eg. Dryn I know you don't like offensive strategems as much as you like to use deployable weaponry. I need to convince you to ideally start packing a recoilless rifle instead of your MG, or at least move up to the heavy laser cannon.

I'm currently working to unlock the laser cannon. Also, I've found I can get behind offensive stratagems after doing some higher-difficulty dives with a pair of Thunderstrikes. They're just kind of pointless at lower difficulty levels. Generally, I take the jump pack, a deployable weapon of some sort, Thunderstrike, and either Resupply, Turret, or another Thunderstrike.

My accuracy also shot way up when I realized the mistake I kept making- namely, I kept aiming based on the center of the screen rather than my character's actual position.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:42 pm #139731

Jetpack is awesome when you get it fully upgraded and get 2 per drop