Summon mechs is dumb

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:06 pm #7854

Can you guys stop merging anything and everything that is pull requested? I understand not denying content based on code, but stop adding stupid, broken and unbalanced shit please. This spell is awful, and stupid. I would personally like to see it reverted. I am not the only one who thinks this, quite a few people agree with me.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:58 pm #7867

Wait, there's a spell that summons MECHS? That's utterly ridiculous.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:04 pm #7868

What have you done to my baby?

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:26 pm #7876

im starting to see what cheridan meant when he said "people just telling us that things suck doesn't mean anything"

Remie Richards · Wed May 21, 2014 10:30 pm

Hey, Guys, You can at Max, only use the spell twice, You know what other people wanted? For you to use it 5 times!, So out of both theoretical versions:

YOU GOT THE BALANCED ONE

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:31 pm #7879

What I really want to know is WHY it's bad. Obviously something is bad. What is it?

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:35 pm #7882

The fact that it exists is bad.

Remie Richards · Wed May 21, 2014 10:36 pm

Incoming wrote:What have you done to my baby?

Renamed your baby and some of it's internal organs (lists)
Added some new organs too (mech and melee lists)
and the bones to make them work (switches)

I'm told the original name was a Reference, References are fine, but not for a Define semi important Spell-proc.
Also reworked the proc to use magic strings instead of numbers, makes more sense when looking at it without knowing it's function
magic_summon("guns") clearly summons some guns, rightandwrong(1) the heck is that?

Anyways, The Motivation for it came from Paprika's "Summon Melee" thread, which you liked, Paprika also mentioned (although it didn't get discussed like, at all) Summon Mechs so I got code done for both and put it up for PR.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:45 pm #7887

I made this idea as a joke okay

Blame all the people in the thread who took it seriously

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:52 pm #7892

The problem for me is that you can't do much magic to a person in a mech. It makes no sense for a wizard to give people something that renders him almost completely irrelevant.

Also people can jack stuff when its in people's hands, but you can't really "steal" a mech. Guns/Magic add danger, but the smuck is still just as vulnerable to magic as ever. Also since a mech makes what's in people's hands useless, it renders all the other summon spells mostly pointless if it's used in conjunction.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:04 pm #7897

Wizards have an EMP spell but I agree mechs adding anonymity + stunproof + etc is kind of dumb.

STILL, I think summon mechs should still exist as an admin button if we remove it from wizard.

danno · Post by **danno** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:55 pm #7912

summon mechs will forever and always be the greatest idea

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:59 pm #7915

Ahaha what the fuck

>Wizard spawns mechs
>Complains he can't kill mechs

Don't spawn mechs then idiot, also wizards have an emp spell so get good I guess

Incomptinence · Post by **Incomptinence** » Thu May 22, 2014 1:26 am #7924

You do know wizards have EMP in a can right? If that isn't good enough it is EMPs fault for being wussy.

ExplosiveCrate · Thu May 22, 2014 2:15 am

The only reason a wizard would use Summon _____ spells is to sow chaos with random people becoming antags with overpowered weapons. If he tries to actually fight after summoning things it's his own damn fault for being an idiot.

I mean hell, you can get an egun with a ridiculously high cell that can destroy walls/machines/pretty much anything else, a 50-shot revolver, a fucking bolter, a hammer that stuns everyone within a certain radius, a hammer that pulls things closer, an axe that knocks people into crit instantly, and a sword that grants complete immunity to energy weapons.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Thu May 22, 2014 2:17 am #7934

ExplosiveCrate wrote:The only reason a wizard would use Summon _____ spells is to sow chaos with random people becoming antags with overpowered weapons. If he tries to actually fight after summoning things it's his own damn fault for being an idiot.

I mean hell, you can get an egun with a ridiculously high cell that can destroy walls/machines/pretty much anything else, a 50-shot revolver, a fucking bolter, a hammer that stuns everyone within a certain radius, a hammer that pulls things closer, an axe that knocks people into crit instantly, and a sword that grants complete immunity to energy weapons.

And if you can get the drop on those people you can take them for yourself to become even more overpowered.

People seem to miss that aspect of summon spells a lot.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Thu May 22, 2014 3:47 am #7953

Because people who use summon spells aren't playing wizard just to win, they probably just want to make the round fun.
If they want to steal guns or whatever, it's not hard for them to do so.

Lovecraft · Post by **Lovecraft** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:08 am #7957

I love it.
Though I will always use 4x Magic and 1 Orb.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:09 am #7958

Summoning Mechs seems really, what's the word, unrealistic (if such a term exists for SS13).

Summon Magic was fine, and you could argue Summon Guns was doable. But summoning dozens of mech. Eh.

It just seems a bit too much really.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:11 am #7960

Lovecraft wrote:I love it.
Though I will always use 4x Magic and 1 Orb.

Magic can really backfire when the crew/sec gets an orb.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:18 am #7966

4x Guns at 15m intervals, 1x orb after the first summon. Wait 10m on the first summon guns, for everyone to set up and settle in. Remember to name yourself something FUN!, remember that your station headset works in the wizard den. Remember that your scroll of teleport has five charges.

Remie Richards · Thu May 22, 2014 3:30 pm

Steelpoint wrote:Summoning Mechs seems really, what's the word, unrealistic (if such a term exists for SS13).

Summon Magic was fine, and you could argue Summon Guns was doable. But summoning dozens of mech. Eh.

It just seems a bit too much really.

And Slimes that are connected to an extra dimension which allows vast teleportation is accepted because?
If you want an "In universe" explanation of how the wizard does it, Bluespace.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu May 22, 2014 3:37 pm #8101

>needing an explanation for space wizards

How many times do we have to say it; It's magic, we ain't gotta explain shit.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Thu May 22, 2014 10:49 pm #8194

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Thu May 22, 2014 11:16 pm #8200

miggles wrote:Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

paprika wrote:>needing an explanation for space wizards

How many times do we have to say it; It's sufficiently advanced technology as to be indistinguishable from magic, we ain't gotta explain shit.

Fixed.

Post by **Jacquerel** » Thu May 22, 2014 11:26 pm #8206

Mechs are advanced technology, therefore it makes perfect sense that they can be magically conjured

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Fri May 23, 2014 1:59 am #8255

Mechs are magic.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:19 pm #8463

Mechs are over-the-top for everyone to have, mmkay?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:26 pm #8464

It's over the top for everyone to have L6es but that's also a possibility

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:52 pm #8473

But not everyone gets an L6, I don't think I ever have in summon guns. Summon mechs makes things well more powerful than L6es everywhere.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat May 24, 2014 1:22 am #8489

ripleys and odys are weak as fuck

Incomptinence · Post by **Incomptinence** » Sat May 24, 2014 4:06 am #8517

It would be really funny if the spawned ripleys rushed mining and got blown up/devastated by mobs.

TheTerbs · Post by **TheTerbs** » Sat May 24, 2014 7:07 pm #8687

this is a great fucking idea, mechs are awesome

paprika wrote:ripleys and odys are weak as fuck

odys are fantastic for warping around with your waifu in your sleeper, adventuring through the station going fast

optional: lockers with people in them in your ripley cargo bay

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Sat May 24, 2014 7:32 pm #8688

Hydraulic clamp on a Ripley can crush people, though I haven't tried it and it's probably not effective.

TheTerbs · Post by **TheTerbs** » Sat May 24, 2014 8:01 pm #8693

Cipher3 wrote:Hydraulic clamp on a Ripley can crush people, though I haven't tried it and it's probably not effective.

It's ok, it doesn't make a noise when it strikes so if someone isn't paying attention you can get 2 or 3 hits before they react

Mandurrrh · Post by **Mandurrrh** » Sat May 24, 2014 11:04 pm #8738

This spell is complete shit. Phazons and maurders are adminspawn only in regular game and its rare and hard to get one because of how 'potentially dangerous to gameplay' they can be. So robotics and research have to work asses off to try and get one every once in a blue moon which is fine because we earned it like an achievement. But its hard to convince gods/admins to give you one. Yet some dumbfuck writes a spell and random generation gives 10 phazons out to greytiders and oddys/ripleys to robotics. If you want to justify that its now its safe enough for chaos but not dangerous enough for ruining gameplay so you can spawn them out for this spell to randoms then you need to make them more accesible to robotics and research.

>too dangerous for Robotics and science department.
>Not too dangerous for assistants

And of course expect adminhelps/nonantag kills out the ass with this fun spell.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat May 24, 2014 11:07 pm #8739

I think it should be reeled in but not removed, phazons are meant to be game breakingly good and using the 'pulse rifle/l6' arguement is a little stupid considering you can take down a pulse rifle with a taser if you land your shot, same with the L6.

Remove the phazon from the list, the marauder can be taken down by gygaxes easy.

Remie Richards · Sat May 24, 2014 11:36 pm

Mandurrrh wrote:some dumbfuck writes a spell.

How very fair of you! Is it really so hard as to argue/give feedback without being a piece of shit?

Mandurrrh · Post by **Mandurrrh** » Sat May 24, 2014 11:39 pm #8750

Remie Richards wrote:
Mandurrrh wrote:some dumbfuck writes a spell.
How very fair of you! Is it really so hard as to argue/give feedback without being a piece of shit?

Spell is pretty insulting figured I'd return the favor. Also this was right after the round ended so I was pretty pissed still. I'm sure its an intelligent fuck.

Remie Richards · Sat May 24, 2014 11:42 pm

Mandurrrh wrote:
Remie Richards wrote:
Mandurrrh wrote:some dumbfuck writes a spell.
How very fair of you! Is it really so hard as to argue/give feedback without being a piece of shit?
Spell is pretty insulting figured I'd return the favor. Also this was right after the round ended so I was pretty pissed still. I'm sure its an intelligent fuck.

A little better, and with a round end piss off hanging over you I can understand your sentiment.
And with you not liking the spell is why the feedback section exists, and why were here.

danno · Post by **danno** » Sat May 24, 2014 11:57 pm #8754

come the fuck on mandurrh
for real
how can you take personal offense to this just because you play roboticist
that's fucking retarded.
stop.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sun May 25, 2014 1:13 am #8759

This is a good thread

Also we should just remove the phazon while she is bitching because she got an ody I do think it's a little overpowered, moreso than the 'fun' kind of overpowered like the death ripley

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sun May 25, 2014 2:01 am #8774

It's "insulting" that a wizard can summon things that the crew can already make with hard work and joint-effort between departments?
I guess Summon Guns was never a thing, then.

Mandurrrh · Post by **Mandurrrh** » Sun May 25, 2014 2:49 am #8780

I didn't take a personal offense. Re readd. Pap don't ask for feedback on forum in dead chat when everyone tells you the spell is shit if you are just going to throw personal insults out at anyone who didn't like your spell.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sun May 25, 2014 3:00 am #8781

I said to make a poll and I also said I didn't even add the spell, it was a joke idea that someone else decided to add, so please stop being ignorant for the sake of making me look like an asshole you're not good at it

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sun May 25, 2014 5:21 am #8800

Mandurrrh wrote:This spell is complete shit.

Mandurrrh wrote:some dumbfuck writes a spell

OK, so first of all, you started it, so if you don't want people insulting you, don't be a prick and insult coders for making something you don't like. Especially coders who AREN'T EVEN INVOLVED with the code that you're so angry about.
If you have a real concern with something, you give feedback. You don't insult random people and get mad when they insult you back.
Additionally, you never addressed my original point, concerning the parts of your post that weren't blindly bashing on people. Summon Guns has existed for a long time, and yet you don't seem to care that people can immediately get guns that usually require RnD for free? Why does it even matter for either spell, when the point of the spell is that you can get items which are normally very hard or impossible to attain? The spells exist for fun, and they are fun. Complaining that people can get mechs without hard work and yet not caring at all about summon guns is a double standard.

Hypocrisy wrote:Mandurrrh don't give feedback on the forum when you think the spell is shit if you are just going to throw personal insults out at anyone who is even remotely involved.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sun May 25, 2014 12:28 pm #8831

Remie Richards wrote:Hey, Guys, You can at Max, only use the spell twice, You know what other people wanted? For you to use it 5 times!, So out of both theoretical versions:

YOU GOT THE BALANCED ONE

If both versions are terrible but one is less terrible, the less terrible one is still terrible :v

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Sun May 25, 2014 9:51 pm #8936

Giving everyone overpowered items =/= balance

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:14 pm #8947

i really do fail to see how summon mechs is any more OP than summon magic or guns
the phazon is the only real issue IMO
all the other mechs are.. mechs, so the standard is set higher
when everyone is OP, nobody is OP

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sun May 25, 2014 11:45 pm #8968

Cipher3 wrote:Giving everyone overpowered items =/= balance

wizard

balanced
wizard

balanced
wizard

balanced
wizard

balanced
wizard

balanced
wizard

balanced

these two words don't and should not go together at all