[NikNakFlak] SpiritOfRevenge - Evasion?

[SpiritOfRevenge]

Byond account and character name:
Banning admin: NikNakFlak
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server
Ban reason and length: Evading a permaban, long history of notes (permanent)
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 12:45 AM PST
Your side of the story: I am not evading! Or at least, if I was evading I wasn't doing it intentionally. I've been playing this game for years, I've had several friends who I've played with and have played from other locations, but the strange thing is that the banned ckeys belong to me. As far as I knew I wasn't permabanned at all, so either it happened and I forgot about it and tried logging on again sometime later and it just worked... for some reason? Or maybe I gave a key to a friend and they got banned and didn't tell me...? Which seems less likely. Honestly I had no idea that I was evading.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Because I have tried my best to be respectful of other players, to roleplay and take the game lightly for the fun it is. I had a lot of notes, but they're from a long, looong time ago. What I remember happening was getting permabanned over multikeying and my notes history, and then a couple months ago coming back and appealing it and getting unbanned. If it's necessary I can appeal whatever the other ban was for independently...? I am honestly just really confused right now.

[onleavedontatme]

I only vaguely remember the name Chime and the key frownchan but I remember them/you causing a lot of headaches. I was pretty happy when you got banned (though I can't remember for what). The other handful of keys with bans aren't really points in your favor either.

However that was 2 years ago now, and you've managed to play ~600 rounds with only 3 notes (a better ratio than me!) under SpiritOfRevenge so I wouldn't mind some sort of probation that would include banning all your excess keys and you agreeing to not make any new ones/continue abiding by the rules.

Maybe "if you play nice well evading you can get unbanned" is a dumb precedent to set but its not the first time I've done it.

[SpiritOfRevenge]

I wouldn't have a problem agreeing to that, and like I said if I was evading it was totally by accident. It's possible (actually probable) that some of those keys belong to people other than myself, as I've played the game with other people at my house and I know for sure at least one of them continued playing it on his own and has been banned in the past.

[NikNakFlak]

Well I can assure the evasion was not by accident. The connection logs show that whenever you would get a ban, you'd switch ckeys. You not only evaded the very very original permaban, but you also evaded your second permaban with your current ckey as well as permanent active science jobbans you never bothered to appeal. I know the accounts are old but the only reason you didn't get caught is because I wasn't around and no one bothered to check. If you are going to keep up with the story that you didn't mean to do all of this, I find it pretty hard to believe and quite frankly will keep you banned.

[SpiritOfRevenge]

I don't know what you want me to do to prove it to you, but I legitimately didn't mean to evade. How long is the space of time in between me getting banned and me evading each time? Are you sure it's not possible that I simply forgot and happened to be using a different ckey? I mean I really don't have a reason to lie about this, man. I'm permabanned as it is right now, what do I have to gain by doing that? I can appeal each and every one of those individual bans if it's necessary, I really, truly, honestly do not recall this shit dude.

[NikNakFlak]

There is a couple of weeks between your oldest ckey's perma and then another ckey popping up in 2013. After that ckey got permabanned, the spiritofrevenge ckey popped up and played while that second account was permabanned. When the second account had it's permaban appealed, it simply ceased to be used and the spiritofrevenge ckey became the mainly used one. And I'm not sure why you even have thespiritofrevenge2 ckey but that's just in there too though little connections exist on it.

[SpiritOfRevenge]

I made sor2 for my friend who was a noob to try out the game, that's why it has very few connections. So there's one permaban I was evading from the original ckey, and then one on xrp-avarice? How long was the space in between those bans? Honestly it's possible that I evaded by accident because I kept trying to connect to the server every once in a while, in case the bans got purged, without knowing that my IP changed...? Which it shouldn't have, or rather it would only change very rarely. I mean I didn't connect for a really really long time and I know for a fact that there was a period of over a year where I couldn't connect on SpiritOfRevenge, and I appealed the permaban (which was from XrP-Avarice) and then I was able to connect on SpiritOfRevenge.

EDIT: I am falling asleep. Will check again tomorrow.

[NikNakFlak]

Oldest ckey: frownchan: Long history of notes and bans. Permabanned March 1, 2013. Permaban still active.
Other ckey: xrpavarice: Started playing March 23, 2013. Long history notes and bans. Appealed permaban by gammar for reason: Dual logged with an alt as sec officer to release main self from perma wing. Appeal on forum or barring that, IRC if absolutely required. Alt ckey was spiritofrevenge: Date: 2013-10-07 02:03:34 Ban was appealed: 2015-03-10 18:21:42. Full science jobbans applied on 2013-09-24 22:07:14
Current ckey: spiritofrevenge: First connected 2013-08-10. Other connections include: 2013-08-17, 2013-08-30, 2013-10-07. Many recent connections in 2015 <--- Note because of these connections, this is evading science jobbans.
Other ckey: Spiritofrevenge2: Only connection 2013-08-17. No notes or bans.

[SpiritOfRevenge]

I don't even remember the original permaban, and honestly I would have just appealed that in the first place if I had remembered it. As far as I knew I had been unbanned, which was why I was able to connect to the server. I also didn't remember that I had science jobbans on spiritofrevenge at all, since they were gone after I appealed my ban on XrP-Avarice (which is the one I remembered). How should I proceed?

[Ahammer18]

If you are unbanned on one ckey why would we allow you you keep multiple? Why do you need multiple ckeys?

[SpiritOfRevenge]

I don't. The ckeys and the corresponding characters were made over a long span of time, mainly to avoid getting metagrudged on other servers. What I'm saying is that when I came back after being absent for 2~ years, I thought I only had to appeal the one ban. I didn't remember that I had been banned on other ckeys as well. If I had, I would have probably mentioned that in the initial appeal, when Kor was asking me to find the ckey that was connected with my IP which had the ban message I was getting when I tried to log on. I have been using this ckey since then, and didn't play on /tg/ for a long, long time before that.

[NikNakFlak]

The science jobbans are on the account: xrpavarice, not spiritofrevenge. Sorry if that was unclear from my data dump.
I did some more digging and figured out why the ban never applied to any of the other ckeys which was because your original account frownchan, jumped between a very specific CID and IP in texas and the other CID and IP your other accounts use. The last connection from that account was from the texas IP and alternate CID so it didn't apply to the other ckeys. I don't know why you went to Texas but yep, that's the reason. Because the last connection was from the different information and back in the day admins had to scrape logs for the last connection, that's the information t hat went in to associate with the ban. This is also the reason the second permaban on xrpavarice was effective while the first one wasn't.

Branching away from that, I still do not believe the story that you didn't know you were banned. Are you saying it was merely a coincidence that you made a new ckey and just decided to try and stop playing on the Frownchan CKEY at the EXACT time you were banned? Not to mention as soon as you got a long history on the xrpavarice ckey, you switched again which not only wiped your shit history but got around all jobbans applied too. This case was truly an odd one that's for sure.

[SpiritOfRevenge]

I really didn't, though. Like I said, I spent two years away from /tg/station and came back in order to appeal a ban that, to my knowledge, had lasted that entire time. What would be the point of "evading" some other ban when I could have just appealed it in the first place, like I did with that one...? I'm fairly good at articulating myself and I don't have an issue using the forums.

Anyway, yes, it was a coincidence. I played on a variety of servers and jumped between them constantly, over a really long period of time. I just can't remember everything that happened on every server I played on, dude. I apologize for evading but it really was a mistake. I could just go play the game on another server, but I want to appeal because I really like /tg/station's community. I dunno what you want me to do to prove it to you but I'm telling the truth goddammit!

[NikNakFlak]

I'm talking about the very original permaban, not the one you appealed two years later.
Regardless, I've decided to leave this up to a headmin instead of making a ruling on it myself. Kor did make a point that you have been very well behaved recently.

[Falamazeer]

Ehhh, I hate to chime in, especially since Not even that long ago, I was in my own words "Stretching the definition of character witness" to pretty much accuse him of greytide, but that was in a day-ban thread. this is a whole matter entirely. and while I criticised him a little heavily for his security interactions, He's definitely a good enough player over all that I said to merit consideration that he didn't evade and then go full fucking retard immediately after like some people have in the past, He's competent, Robust, and it's not like every round I saw him I had a problem, just enough that I remembered them when his name popped up.

Cheers.

[NikNakFlak]

Yea, that is one of the reasons I left it up to a headmin, but don't forget he had a long history of notes and bans on two ckeys before he improved. Improvement is great but we still can't just give everyone a free pass. Kor, sticky, or hg will make a decision.

[onleavedontatme]

I'm about to fall asleep now, but tomorrow I'll try to sort out the database mess with Niknak (manually banning all your other keys/unbanning the correct key) and come up with actual probation terms or whatever and unban you.

[SpiritOfRevenge]

I'm about to fall asleep now, but tomorrow I'll try to sort out the database mess with Niknak (manually banning all your other keys/unbanning the correct key) and come up with actual probation terms or whatever and unban you.

ugh I wish I could have slept last night, my byond addiction is too strong

ended up playing the april 11th, 2011 version of space station 13 with like 30 other people

it actually lagged significantly less than /tg/ does now, but also lacked like 90% of the functionality and had terrible sprites

anyway, let me know what the terms are or whatever, I'm home from work and on the byond messenger.

[onleavedontatme]

Alright unbanned on the condition you never use another ckey again and continue playing as you have been (not shit).

I'd avoid playing spessmens with friends over as well it makes a mess of the database.