Gerber Knife Problem

[John_Oxford]

Alright.
Essentially, i fucked up, and put my dads knife in a firepit with a bunch of firework wrappers and boxes.
What i need from tg is to find out what the exact kind of knife is, and if i can replace it (or buy new rubber grips for it, i can hit it with some sand paper to untarnish it) or if i just have to buy a entirely new knife, which is possible.
I know posting on a random ass game fourm for my real life problems is a bad idea.
Its worth a shot
These are the pictures of the burnt knife, the knife is from gerber.





It'd be fucking outstanding if you can tell me the name of the knife.
I'l find some way to repay whoever figures it out.

EDIT:
I found someone selling the knife on ebay, but i don't know the exact name of the knife, still need help there, here is a non-fucked version of the knife:

[Falamazeer]

Temper is ruined, you'd need a bladesmith to fix it, as it is it's completely annealed.

Those pins for the flick, are they moveable? do they spin or are they fixed?

[Jeb]

http://www.gerbergear.com/Tactical/Kniv ... e_22-41405 looks moderately similar to this one, but would be easier to identify if it were cleaned up and not photographed with a toaster.

why the fuck did you put a knife in a fire in the first place

[John_Oxford]

All the pins are loose, the blade is loose, and the clip is loose, but the pins are all still in.

[John_Oxford]

http://www.gerbergear.com/Tactical/Kniv ... e_22-41405 looks moderately similar to this one, but would be easier to identify if it were cleaned up and not photographed with a toaster.

why the fuck did you put a knife in a fire in the first place

Thank you.

It was with some firework boxes and paper, i was using the knife to open the firework boxes, i used all the fireworks, left the knife in the box, stacked all the boxes together, and threw them in the fire.

[Falamazeer]

Beat me to it, I wasn't far behind you, clearly your googling beats mine

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Gerber-Kiowa- ... 5/30251035
Your best bet is site to store options.

[Timbrewolf]

Temper is ruined, you'd need a bladesmith to fix it, as it is it's completely annealed.

Those pins for the flick, are they moveable? do they spin or are they fixed?

There's no fixing this. Knives like this are made by taking a prepared piece of steel and grinding it down to a blade. Nobody stood over an anvil and hammered this thing out.

[Falamazeer]

No shit sherlock, But it's not just carved out of a block of metal, the edge is harder than the spine, And that's done through tempering.
Once it's in shape, it's annealed to stress relieve it so it doesn't crack, then it's heated to critical temperature along the edge, and a bit below that further in, then it's quenched to temper, then it's partially relieved throughout the blade to increase it's toughness and eliminate the brittleness by leaving it at elevated temperatures around 400f for a few hours depending on the thickness and the steel carbon levels, and then it's polished up, assembled and shipped.

Industrial settings varry on the hows and the wherefores, but tempering is something that's not optional for knives, simple stock removal does not a knife make.
Even a cheap shitty one has a temper.

Source:I make motherfucking knives.


Edit:forgot to make my point, that being, step one is annealing, which has happened. due to the campfire, thus losing the temper, The carbon clearly didn't ignite or the steel would be scorched and bubbled in areas, The next step would be putting the temper back on, then relieving it. It's save-able, with the right know how.
Five bucks worth of rockwool, a coffee can, some peanut oil and a propane tank. followed by some hours in a standard oven, Though I don't recommend it to the unfamiliar.

[420weedscopes]

it's a little worrying that people here know this much about knives
then again i'm not surprised

[Maccus]

I was beginning to ask why you're scared of the idea of people having knives until I saw that you're from the UK and my question was answered

[Falamazeer]

MURICA!

[DemonFiren]

Hell, I'm German and my grandfather has more and meaner knives than that.

What are you brits?

[callanrockslol]

it's a little worrying that people here know this much about knives
then again i'm not surprised

You have to remember that /tg/ is the only board you need, so by extension /tg/station13 is the only community you need.

[Falamazeer]

There's a discusion on what would be used in a megadeath machine if weight and cost were no object right now citing facts and stats about modern rocket resistant tank armor.

You should be scared.

[callanrockslol]

There's a discusion on what would be used in a megadeath machine if weight and cost were no object right now citing facts and stats about modern rocket resistant tank armor.

You should be scared.

I need a link right now.

[Ricotez]

everyone has skills, if your community is big enough you'll always find people who are experts in certain areas

[Timbrewolf]

-snibbidy snap-

Cool story bro. You spend a lot of time fixing broken flip knives? You know any other smiths that do?

[Jeb]

Seems like something that would be incredibly neat to pickup as a hobby. Wonder what they'd say around here with living literally a block away from a school..."whatcha doin jeb? oh you know, making knives and shit.."

[Timbrewolf]

People have been picking it up randomly over the last two decades. Backyard forges.

Carpentry and woodworking is too old-fashioned and saying "Look at this home-made chair!" doesn't have the same impact that "Look at this home-made machete!" does. Cars have become too complicated for people to pick up and start playing with immediately so that's dying off as well.

Take it from me, someone who has been accused of being the alpha-hipster prettymuch every goddamn day:

Self-proclaimed knife-makers and backyard armorers are hipster as fuck.

[Falamazeer]

"Anon says stuff"

Not exactly, But I have been unhappy with the temper on a factory made knife or my own knives in the past and annealed them, obviously not with a handle still on it, in much the same way he accidently did. before moving on to harden and temper the knife once more.
And a flip knife is no exception, though as the knife is only 30 dollars, and not of particular sentimental value it's not exactly the first choice for this particular problem.

Do not test me on this good sir, Unless you're hiding a secret passion for the same subject, or a material engineer degree you aren't gonna win this one. I may be a back yard operation, but I've still got the books and the motivation to read them. I am no hipster, I'm a redneck, And I'm not even dominately a blacksmith, I know much more about castings and at a professional level galvanizing and zinc die casting(More the former than the latter)

Jeb says stuff

It can be a lot of fun, You can get most of what you need to get started from a single trip to lows, My first "Anvil" was the surface of a large sledgehammer from there, polished flat as it had a bunch of rings in it, I actually still use it for some things still, and while I still don't have a real anvil, I do have a large hunk of three inch or so thick steel to use.

[Timbrewolf]

-snip-

I apologize for being dismissive. I've seen a lot of people pick up old used anvils and buy hammers and give it a go. I only know as much as I've overheard secondhand and from the knife community that travels alongside the gun community.

If you enjoy doing it and are hungry for the knowledge it shouldn't matter what I think or anyone would say. Just do it, stick to it. Get good. Be proud.

For me though, I've seen a bunch of people try and only two people stick with it half-assedly enough to become jewelers. One guy went back to school for it and is pretentious as fuck, makes ugly garbage he tries to sell as art and nobody is buying. The other guy stuck with it as a hobby and makes stuff for fun and for commissions that, unfortunately, still nobody is buying.

My original point still stands though. You'd never bother taking a $40 gravity knife and attempt to fix it. Better to take the $40 as a gratuity, spend way more than that on materials and man-hours to produce for them the best example of a knife you can make so far and be proud with that.

In my experience most of the people who wake up and decide to start trying to make knives or whatever other shit do so because "Wouldn't it be cool if..." and not "I really want to know how to..."

That's what makes a real hipster.

[Falamazeer]

Agreed, it wouldn't be something to do for this sort of problem, but he asked a question and I answered it.
And yeah, I'm pretty familiar with the knife making crowd, nobody wants to put in the work before asking questions, It all boils down to "I know how to do this, now could you please tell me how to make a knife from start to finish?"

And yeah, nobody is buying, not that i'm selling, I make shit for my own gratification, and suchnot.

[Timbrewolf]

And yeah, nobody is buying, not that i'm selling, I make shit for my own gratification, and suchnot.

Then fuck what I think. Godspeed.

[Donk Honk]

...ANYWAY OP.

Honest opinion here.

I would just admit to what happened. Unless your dad is the type to hold a grudge, which I would hope he isn't, I think he would honestly understand the situation.

Especially if you man up and own to the mistake. I mean..consider the cost of fixing this thing as compared to buying a new one and making it up to him.

Sure he'll be disappointed. But atleast he'll respect you came to him. Better than him thinking you were scared of confronting him. Then he would use the knife to finish you off and make a better son who can face him. Like me.

Pls tell dad that you fucked up so I can take your place

[Timbrewolf]

Yeah OP don't disappoint your dad like Lindsay disappointed his.

HONK.

Actually good advice though. Would you rather raise a son who tries to hide and cover-up his mistakes or a son who owns up to his failings and makes right by them?

[ThanatosRa]

YOur old man will likely know where he got it. Man up and tell him.

[Jeb]

Would you rather raise a son who tries to hide and cover-up his mistakes or a son who owns up to his failings and makes right by them?

Why no "trys to cover up his mistakes then owns up when he gets caught".

[Timbrewolf]

A person who tries to cover up a failure and gets caught has made two mistakes.
Better to just admit you made the one and deal with it.

Would you rather teach someone to get away with making errors or to fix them?

[Ahammer18]

Yeah really, I'd just come clean. Tell him that you fucked up and that you'll replace it. Unless your dad is a violent drunk I think you'll be okay. If he is a violent drunk I am so, so sorry for you.

[John_Oxford]

He's not a violent drunk, he'd flip his shit, most likely breaking a bunch of shit (Probally mine, hopefully not breaking me)

He lost his leg in a car accident recently, his friends from work (He's a bodyman, the kind that works on cars) his friends from work threw him a party at a bar, his boss (Also a really good friend of his) gave him the knife and a flash light in a box together.

Some mistakes are worth coming up about, i'd rather take the risk and make sure no one knows i made the first mistake, taking the risk of making two, rather than just making one.

I may tell him, after i get the knife, that is.
"Hey man, i dropped your knife in a fire and destroyed it, but heres a new one"

YOU DID FUCKING WHAT?

Proceeds to go ahead and punch holes in all the walls in the house, break all the chairs, punch out all the windows, break all the tv's, and do a barrel roll out the front door into the lawn.

[Donk Honk]

He's not a violent drunk, he'd flip his shit, most likely breaking a bunch of shit (Probally mine, hopefully not breaking me)

He lost his leg in a car accident recently, his friends from work (He's a bodyman, the kind that works on cars) his friends from work threw him a party at a bar, his boss (Also a really good friend of his) gave him the knife and a flash light in a box together.

Some mistakes are worth coming up about, i'd rather take the risk and make sure no one knows i made the first mistake, taking the risk of making two, rather than just making one.

I may tell him, after i get the knife, that is.
"Hey man, i dropped your knife in a fire and destroyed it, but heres a new one"

YOU DID FUCKING WHAT?

Proceeds to go ahead and punch holes in all the walls in the house, break all the chairs, punch out all the windows, break all the tv's, and do a barrel roll out the front door into the lawn.

Remember how I said earlier IF he wasn't the type to flip his shit to tell him.

...may want to not tell him and find an exact replica of the god damn knife mate.

Also your dad sounds like a veteran grey tider.

[Falamazeer]

I had similar problems, have you considered having a growth spurt and a violent nature?
Worked for me.