[<Archie700>] Zemsta - Metagaming change pool/creatures

[ewrewtrger]

BYOND account: Zemsta

Ban/note type (Server Ban/Discord Ban/Forum Ban/Note): Note

Ban/note duration:
Ban/note reason:
Created multiple mobs with the instruction "JUMP IN THE CHANGE POOL, suicide if shit roll, GO TO XENOBIO IF YOU GET MAGICARP/CHAOSCARP" as magicarps that are transformed by change pools "have the REAL change/death bolts" as admitted in ticket.
Please do not spam intelligent xeno mobs in change pool specifically for one specific creature not attainable by xeno mob spawns.


Time ban was placed: 2025-04-22 14:08:58
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 251488

Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
(x) - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
() - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance

Why should this appeal be accepted?:
Im allowed to know how lavaland/icebox ruins work
Im allowed to know how creatures work
Therefore im allowed to throw sentient mobs at change pool to try and get a specific creature

[Archie700]

You are allowed to know how lavaland/icebox ruins and creatures work.
Where it starts being bad is trying to game the change pool it by your intent to have intelligent mobs you created use the change pool, then suicide if you don't get the carp, for the ghost players to try again like a gacha.
Technically the instruction isn't actually brainwash but this was clearly your intent for them, committing suicide so that you would have more chances to roll for those mobs.
This was the issue, you were metagaming by gaming the system with rerolls through suggesting that mobs who failed to get the role you wanted suicide to respawn as new mobs for the change pool.

[ewrewtrger]

This was the issue, you were metagaming by gaming the system with rerolls through suggesting that mobs who failed to get the role you wanted suicide to respawn as new mobs for the change pool.

I do not feel like the ticket or the note indicates that was the issue
"as magicarps that are transformed by change pools "have the REAL change/death bolts" as admitted in ticket.
Please do not spam intelligent xeno mobs in change pool specifically for one specific creature not attainable by xeno mob spawns."
Why can I not spam xeno mobs in the change pool to get a specific creature? what rule does it break outside of 'powergaming' if I did it every shift.

Unless the problem is "suicide if shit roll", which I did add specifically because some people would roll a chicken then spend 5 minutes looking for me so they can ask me for permission to die because they don't want to be a chicken.
I did not feel it necessary to add a page long paragraph law
"After jumping in the change pool go to xenobio if you are magicarp/chaoscarp, if not you are free to do whatever, that includes suicide if you don't feel like existing" which would have the same effect of people ghosting/suiciding.

Would making suicide optional fix the issue then?

[Archie700]

Unless the problem is "suicide if shit roll", which I did add specifically because some people would roll a chicken then spend 5 minutes looking for me so they can ask me for permission to die because they don't want to be a chicken.

Yes, encouraging mobs to suicide to roll again for a specific outcome is the issue.

I can edit the note to include this

Created multiple intelligent mobs with the instruction "JUMP IN THE CHANGE POOL, suicide if shit roll, GO TO XENOBIO IF YOU GET MAGICARP/CHAOSCARP" as magicarps that are transformed by change pools "have the REAL change/death bolts" as admitted in ticket.
Please do not encourage intelligent xeno mobs to suicide if they didn't get the role you want for the explicit purpose of letting them respawn as another mob to roll for it again in the change pool, this is considered metagaming to use respawns to reroll for a specific outcome.

[ewrewtrger]

Sounds good, as long as I can still send swarms of monster at the change pool, as them ghosting/suiciding and rolling again is not my problem.

[Archie700]

Note edited to:

"Created multiple intelligent mobs with the instruction "JUMP IN THE CHANGE POOL, suicide if shit roll, GO TO XENOBIO IF YOU GET MAGICARP/CHAOSCARP" as magicarps that are transformed by change pools "have the REAL change/death bolts" as admitted in ticket.
Please do not encourage intelligent xeno mobs to suicide if they didn't get the role you want for the explicit purpose of letting them respawn as another mob to roll for it again in the change pool, this is considered metagaming to use respawns to reroll for a specific outcome.