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Lopz12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:37 pm BYOND account: Lopz0

Ban/note type (Server Ban/Discord Ban/Forum Ban/Note): Note

Ban/note duration: Permanent
Ban/note reason: "AAAAAA AAAAAA AAA AAAAA!!!", don't abuse TTS"
Time ban was placed: 2024-12-16 15:42:32
Server you were playing on when noted: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 245795

Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes):
(x) - The ban/note is factually incorrect
(x) - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
(x) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance

Why should this appeal be accepted?:

After a long while of not playing, I joined as a CE and made my way over from Arrivals to Engineering. While on my way, I saw people in the kitchen who were yelling something like "AAAAAAAAAAAA!!", which I figured must be because TTS was re-enabled sometime during that day, and at that moment I found it funny so I yelled "AAAA AAAAA AAAA!!" three times, and then moved onto engineering to get my gear. Around a minute later, while gearing up from my locker, I was privately messaged by admin "Maxipat", who first told me I was "spamming" tts, then said I was mentioning OOC in IC, then told me I was abusing it by "breaking" tts, and then switched back to it being OOC in IC. Overall, three separate accusations were made here, none of which I believe make sense or are truthful.

1.Spamming
I really, really don't believe three instances of yelling is enough to constitute spam, especially considering that I had entirely stopped doing it after those three times, and had moved on to my job when the admin contacted me.

2.OOC in IC
The first reason the admin gave for it being OOC in IC is that I had seen TTS get enabled in real time, and done it as a reaction to that OOC event. This is untrue, as TTS had been enabled ever since I arrived via the shuttle. After this, the admin swapped their reason to "TTS doesn't exist in universe, you wouldn't do it if TTS wasn't there". First of all, I don't believe I, through my IC actions, made any references to TTS's existence as an OOC mechanic. Secondly, TTS is supposed to be the characters voices that exist IC, as far as I'm aware. When someone says "AAAAH", the in-universe characters hear the sound of a person yelling, and so do we, as players, through TTS. That is how sound works.

3.Breaking TTS
This was by far the most confusing reason, as when I inquired for an explanation for it, the admin instead switched back to the OOC in IC accusation, and then suddenly closed the ticket before I was able to ask further. Here, the admin says that if I had said "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" instead of "AAAA AAAA AAAA", it would be fine as the latter apparently "broke" tts while the former didn't. I still have no idea what the reason for this judgement is. When you type "AAAAAAAAAAAAA", your character says one big aaah, and when you type "AAAA AAAA AAAA", your character says three smaller aaahs. I am still completely incapable of seeing how this breaks TTS.

Overall my problem with this is that the contacting admin was extremely inconsistent with their reasonings for PMing me. They made three separate accusations, none of which I believe to be true, and then made a note stating only one of them. I also have problem with the admin's conduct, as they abruptly closed the ticket before I could receive a sensible explanation from them for a.ny of their accusations. And lastly, I don't believe this would be enough of a reason to place a note on my record, even if me yelling three times had actually broken a rule.

I will place the ticket here for easier viewing.

15:33:14: Maxipat PM'd Lopz1/(Tim Trot)
15:33:15: PM From Maxipat: stop tts spamming
15:33:48: Reply PM from-Lopz1: I said "AAA AAAA AAAA" thrice? I really doubt three instances of a single sentence is enough to constitute spam
15:34:23: PM From Maxipat: sure, then tell me why your character IC started screaming the moment TTS got brought back ooc
15:34:52: Reply PM from-Lopz1: it was available since I joined, which was like 2-3 minutes ago
15:37:51: PM From Maxipat: does it matter in your justification of abusing tts? its ooc in ic
15:38:53: Reply PM from-Lopz1: How is yelling OOC
15:39:37: PM From Maxipat: its not yelling, it's abusing tts in a particular way that breaks it. if you screamed with emote or just wrote AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it would be different.
15:41:16: Reply PM from-Lopz1: I mean I don't see how it breaks tts either for it to say "AAAH" thrice but I had entirely lost interest in saying it any further after I did it there so I guess I'll keep in mind not to do it again in the future
15:42:02: PM From Maxipat: you wouldnt do it if tts wasnt here, TTS is not a thing exisisting in-universe, so youre referring to it oocly by proxy
15:42:35: Ticket resolved!

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I even tried to help you out from this by asking you for your IC justification for screaming, but i never got an an

Yes it breaks TTS, the way TTS pronounces long aaaaaa with breaks or comas is not a way it's intended to, which you can even hear (or could hear? There's new system for it so it might work better now) as the voice turns kinda robotic and cracks. Again, not something i put in the note.

DrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:33 pm Technical issues were never really the issue- because ultimately when you abuse TTS it degrades the roleplaying experience of the game, as Maxi says. If you scream "AAAAAAA!" when you see John Esword in maints, that's an okay use of TTS. If you walk the halls going AAA,AAA,AAA! because it's funny then it's NRP. I agree that it's funny. I also agree with Maxi that we need to enforce this or else everyone does it and it's less funny. We're waiting on Timber's input for the final review, but these are my thoughts.

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