Admin Candidate and Tempmin Feedback General

Post by **Scriptis** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:34 pm #92147

/actfg/

This is The place to put any feedback about temporary admins, admin candidates, anybody you see with that rank who isn't actually a member of the Conspiracy yet. There was a thread like this but it fell into disuse, so let's start a new one clean. Admins are welcome to post in here as well with thoughts about how the person's been doing, this should be at least one of the factors that goes into whether a person is put up for full admin-ness.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:38 pm

As a trainer I'll be checking this thread regularly, it is highly encouraged that folks share their feedback on ACs.

Post by **Atlanta-Ned** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:47 pm #92687

lollerderby! Seems like a cool person. They were pretty talkative last night in deadchat while a wannabe Cuban Pete was running around. Got bwoinked to say hi when I stepped on a bwoink mine at centcom. Not sure how I feel about ahelps being used socially like that but I'll chalk it up to them getting settled in.

Shadowlight213 · Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:09 pm

Bwoink mine bwoinking was me. I guess that wasn't the best usage of the function in retrospect.
Thanks for the feedback, I'll make sure to use it more professionally in the future. I forgot how jarring the PMs can be for normal players.

lollerderby · Post by **lollerderby** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:57 pm #93025

Atlanta-Ned wrote:lollerderby! Seems like a cool person. They were pretty talkative last night in deadchat while a wannabe Cuban Pete was running around. Got bwoinked to say hi when I stepped on a bwoink mine at centcom. Not sure how I feel about ahelps being used socially like that but I'll chalk it up to them getting settled in.

Thanks for the feedback.

(I-I'm still cool even if I didn't admin-pm you, r-right?)

dionysus24779 · Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:54 am

I assume this is the right thread to post about it.

I just had a pretty unpleasant experience with Thunderchief who's listed as an Admincandidate and does not have his own thread.

Basically what happened in the round was that due to an event the white ship docked with the station but was infected with aliens. I was a secborg at the time and rushed over when I heard the screams about xenos in arrival and tried to help fight it off with the fight eventually leading into space around arrivals/the white ship. Once I was alone and saw the inside of the shuttle was full of xeno stuff I went to engineering, took their plasmatank and dragged it to the white ship. I did, as a precaution, drag the cannister deep inside and checked for living humans so I don't gas them, and I couldn't see a single one, though apperantly out of my knowledge there were living humans "somewhere" on the ship, outside my field of vision. When the Xeno Empress approached me I opened the tank in mild panic and was promptly killed. The released gas was ignited a bit later on which forced the xenos to retreat deeper into the ship and eventually abondon it, some larva (including myself) spawned inside the heat and instantly died.

Like 30 minutes later in deathchat because the empress who died by now told how the plasma was the tipping point and how it was a "dick move" and how larva spawned into instant-death Thunder began to think about if the borgs were asimov and how he saw living humans somewhere on the ship. I explained in deathchat that I did not see any humans and even took an additional risk to check since I could've (and wanted to) release the plasma much sooner than I did. Still around 10-20 minutes later he bwoinked me and gave me a tough scolding about the whole situation, he told me that he "witnessed" it transpire and how I ignored the living humans on the ships, even though I explained multiple times that I did not find any survivors. He was also mad that while fighting with the aliens in arrivals I did "nothing" to help the crewmembers that were stunned and dragged off by aliens... even though I was already fighting the aliens and tried to protect the humans around me (like pushing them back through broken windows when they had trouble getting back inside the station) . A borg is neither omniscient nor omnipresent.

He then began to bring up really old stuff and explained how I am notorious for breaking asimov law, though he was hesistant to admit how old these notes are, but to him they were apperantly as relevant as sparkling new notes. The two notes he was refering two were from last year, one in april and the other in october. These notes are quite old and to my opinion quite unfair as I've explained already somewhere else and other admins have often ensured me that these old notes don't even count for much since recent behavior is more important. Indeed my earliest adminnote is from 2012, meaning I'm playing here for like 2-3 years by now and I am a kind of known borg player and according to my notes I've "slipped up" twice so far... in 2-3 years... sure it's not perfect, but to imply I'm well known for breaking asimov to "get my valids on" is kind of ridiculous in my opinion.

Further Thunder claimed that he "knows" me and therefore knows that I'm a big "validhunter"... me? The borg who let's almost everything slide and sits on the brig most of his time and watches the crew monitor to help? Me? The Secborg with the most horrible record in quantity of arrests? The one borg who is always against senseless murderboning? The tame borg who shouts a welcoming "Hi!" to Nuke Ops, Wizards and Xenos alike until they actually harm a human? I don't mean to stroke my ego here and I freely admit that I sometimes fight antags, but saying that I'm a "known validhunter" is kind of BS and any Player who actually does deal a lot with me would be able to attest to that. And to repeat something I've often said again... even though borgs get constant nerfs and are less fun than they used to be... they're still my most favourite job and I wouldn't risk that for some stupid "valids" and my reputation is quite valueable to me.

Also after the round ended and rolled over to the next round Thunder just kind of ended the conversation without any resolution. Like I don't know if this all was a warning of if next time I log in I look at a ban-screen. I even tried to continue talking to him in OOC, but he just repeated that I broke asimov. Though I forgot to ask if his "investigation" was actually motivated by an adminhelp or if he decided on his own ca. 40 minutes after it happened to look at it.

And I do apologize for reacting in an upset way, I am a bit allergic to getting accused of things like that, but it honestly felt like our dear candidate just tried to pin something on me because he saw an opportunity to show off how "tough" he can be in enforcing the rules. And yeah I realize I'm not very popular on the forum and others will probably jump on this chance to get me.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:19 am #94053

http://privatepaste.com/0acec5189c

tedward1337 · Post by **tedward1337** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:22 am #94056

Log nigger digger to the rescue

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:41 am #94067

I've been unhappy with Tunderchief being candidated but I can't stop hg. All I can say for the moment is that other trainers shouldn't do it either, though I'm pretty sure they weren't anyway.

I'm not sure what his motivation behind it was but it's not an attitude I want to see from any admin. He ignored basic admin conventions and was extremely hard on someone, brought up personal issues with them, outright insulted them and seemed way to insistent on punishment.

I'm removing the note. Either hg has failed to teach him properly or he's not a good candidate.

TechnoAlchemist · Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:47 am

HG should be actively training instead of sitting AFK after canidating tunder. He should have the person who is canidating him actively being a part of his candidate experience so he can actually learn conduct ect, ect.

It seems like tunder hasn't really had much mentorship and although I do have my own personal gripes with him being canidated I can't full blame onto a person without proper guidance.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:56 am #94072

dionysus24779 wrote:-snip-

Whoa, there, buddy.

I wasn't overtly hostile to you, and I didn't imply anything. I was overseeing the event, and was a direct witness to everything that transpired. I was simply asking questions, going off of your notes, and explaining to you that ASIMOV borgs are not supposed to do what you did.

It took awhile to message you because I am new to investigating, and had to correlate everything that happened and put the facts in order while overseeing the event.

I never insinuated that you didn't do enough to save crew who were grabbed and pulled into the white ship. What I did state was that you were physically present for them to be dragged onto the white ship, and therefore your claim that you didn't know there were human crew present on the white ship before dumping a plasma canister on it is dubious. Even if there were a hundred xenos and one human on board, plasma dumping wouldn't have been the right call. But in this case there were more crew aboard than there were xenos, and you chose as an Asimov cyborg to kill them all with plasma.

What your notes implied was that you have put validhunting ahead of your lawset in the past, which is where my complaint came from. Sure, it hasn't happened in a year, but it's happened several times in the past.

I simply warned you that ASIMOV is ASIMOV, and left it at that with a note.

Stickymayhem wrote:I've been unhappy with Tunderchief being candidated but I can't stop hg. All I can say for the moment is that other trainers shouldn't do it either, though I'm pretty sure they weren't anyway.

Well, that seems quite spiteful, and it's not going to help me learn at all.

I kept repeating myself over Admin chat and asking for input because there were no other active admins on and not playing. I wanted to know what my options were, whether I should have just issued a warning or added a note, a ban was never my objective.

As it stands I candidate a few rounds a day, and spend most of that time asking questions or answering relevant ahelps. What I physically witnessed was an Asimov secborg kill multiple humans with plasma, and it seemed pertinent to ask why.

If you feel that an Asimov silicon with priors killing a half dozen folks isn't worth a note, that's your call, but it's a questionable one.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:43 am #94081

We don't take into account ancient notes. This is a basic thing every candidate should know within their first day.

Who's been actually teaching you?

You seem hellbent on punishing and brought up personal problems with them in game, which is iffy at best for any admin to do, let alone a candidate. It looks extremely biased.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:48 am #94083

Stickymayhem wrote:We don't take into account ancient notes. This is a basic thing every candidate should know within their first day.

Who's been actually teaching you?

You seem hellbent on punishing and brought up personal problems with them in game, which is iffy at best for any admin to do, let alone a candidate. It looks extremely biased.

Tedward gave me the basics on UI.

I was not informed of note expiration, and can certainly think of times where old notes were chosen as grounds for action against me.

I have mostly good experiences with this player when he is a borg, but I was present for one of the actions that led to a note, and it was fairly flagrant, enough for me to remember it over a year after the fact.

If we are not supposed to use our personal experience, then I was not told this.

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:49 am #94092

[20:08:29]ADMIN: PM: Tunderchief/(Tore Hrafnsson)->Razharas/(Rowan Adams): I mean, should I continue the investigation? I was physically there to witness him do this, he was present to see a bunch of people get facehugged and drug into the shuttle. That on top of his priors makes it seem pretty cut and dried.

When you say "physically there" do you mean ghosted and observing or physically present in a body? If you were there IC, mind commenting on why you were handling a situation in admin capacity that you were directly involved with, rather than adminhelping and having another admin take a look at it?

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:52 am #94093

Jeb wrote:[20:08:29]ADMIN: PM: Tunderchief/(Tore Hrafnsson)->Razharas/(Rowan Adams): I mean, should I continue the investigation? I was physically there to witness him do this, he was present to see a bunch of people get facehugged and drug into the shuttle. That on top of his priors makes it seem pretty cut and dried.

When you say "physically there" do you mean ghosted and observing or physically present in a body? If you were there IC, mind commenting on why you were handling a situation in admin capacity that you were directly involved with, rather than adminhelping and having another admin take a look at it?

I don't play while adminning unless candidated while having started the round as a player, at which point I will quickly remove myself from the round if nonessential. I was observing, and physically witnessed, as in with my own eyes, the entirety of what transpired.

dionysus24779 · Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:10 am

First of all a big thanks to everyone for taking the time to chew all of this through and taking it serious, means a lot to me.

NikNakFlak wrote:http://privatepaste.com/0acec5189c

Thanks for providing this. And as stated before I do apologize for the upset tone of mine during that conversation. It was just really frustrating.

Stickymayhem wrote:I'm removing the note. Either hg has failed to teach him properly or he's not a good candidate.

Thanks Sticky.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:It seems like tunder hasn't really had much mentorship and although I do have my own personal gripes with him being canidated I can't full blame onto a person without proper guidance.

That is true, everyone starts out somewhere and has to learn. Though I would be more hesistant to take matters into my own hands if I lack proper mentorship.

Tunder wrote: I wasn't overtly hostile to you, and I didn't imply anything. I was overseeing the event, and was a direct witness to everything that transpired. I was simply asking questions, going off of your notes, and explaining to you that ASIMOV borgs are not supposed to do what you did.

Since NikNak provides the logs of our conversation everyone can form their own opinion on this.

It took awhile to message you because I am new to investigating, and had to correlate everything that happened and put the facts in order while overseeing the event.

Though as the log itself shows you've only started to question the whole thing like 20 minutes after it was done already.

What I did state was that you were physically present for them to be dragged onto the white ship, and therefore your claim that you didn't know there were human crew present on the white ship before dumping a plasma canister on it is dubious.

That was not how I understood it. To me it sounded like you were implying I stood idly by while humans were dragged off. Also arrivals isn't that small and can fill multiple screens. I was fighting directly south of the arrivals shuttle and before that around that table area. Humans would've probably been dragged off near the vacant office or airlocks to the white ship, which weren't even in my field of vision.

But regardless of this, living people being dragged off and not finding survivors aren't mutually exclusive as I could not find any living humans.

I kept repeating myself over Admin chat and asking for input because there were no other active admins on and not playing.

That's something I couldn't see, but I appreciate your effort to get a second opinion.

I have mostly good experiences with this player when he is a borg

Again not to stroke my ego, but if your experience with me has been "mostly" good it should've given you an idea on how malicious and intentional it may have been. And it hurts a bit to discover you're "Tore" who I generally liked as a player, though I don't feel like we have that much ingame contact.

I was observing, and physically witnessed, as in with my own eyes, the entirety of what transpired.

This is why I mentioned in the admin-conversation that I cannot see through walls as a borg. The white ship was full of Xeno-Resin-Walls, greatly limiting visibility and movement, plus all the walls that are present by default. You as an observing ghost would be able to see far more than me, that's why I kept trying to emphasis that I couldn't see anyone who did not have a skull above them and that I acted to the best of my knowledge.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:01 pm

I was on the fence about Tunder being made an AC, but now I'm off the fence. Dude, you done goof. When you're an AC (or trialmin, or game admin, or game master, or headmin but ESPECIALLY AC) and this many other admins are saying you done goof'd, shut up and apologize and don't do it again. Admins are allowed to be wrong, I'm wrong plenty of times, which is why we have multiple admins weighing in on stuff (not to mention players) to point out when we're wrong.

ABearInTheWoods · Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:51 pm

So I've read this thread 5 times now, and I still don't see why everybody is making a big deal.

Thunder could have handled that better, but we have multiple current admins who handle things like that worst on the daily.

I'm calling this for what it is, This is everybody who doesn't like the fact that thunder got made admin candidate piling on him for the first excuse they were given.

Like come on, we're better than this.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:13 pm #94251

No reason to dogpile the guy, he made a mistake and that's that.

However, I'm starting to wonder what our standards for recruitment are becoming; Tunder's notes are long and tedious, as have been the notes for other recent candidates (AustinRosello, Zaross). There is a line wherein someone's history should seriously invalidate their candidacy.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:25 pm #94255

I made a comment in adminbus about sticky's potential emotion against Tunder influencing the judgement of the situation. I provided the logs and have made no comment otherwise, but public admin applications might help with this kind of thing in the future. (OH GOD SHILL DETECTED)

TechnoAlchemist · Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:36 pm

NikNakFlak wrote:I made a comment in adminbus about sticky's potential emotion against Tunder influencing the judgement of the situation. I provided the logs and have made no comment otherwise, but public admin applications might help with this kind of thing in the future. (OH GOD SHILL DETECTED)

This is a pretty good idea.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:01 pm #94268

Scones wrote:No reason to dogpile the guy, he made a mistake and that's that.

However, I'm starting to wonder what our standards for recruitment are becoming; Tunder's notes are long and tedious, as have been the notes for other recent candidates (AustinRosello, Zaross). There is a line wherein someone's history should seriously invalidate their candidacy.

Most people who have been here a long time have records, giving preference to newbies isn't gonna help either.

Several of my notes are from bans that were quickly overturned, A solid quarter of my record is from a single incident in which the weekban was revoked inside a day, but the record was never changed to reflect this.

Going off of notes is great, so long as the notes are regularly monitored and changed to reflect decisions made after an FNR discussion. Preferably by a neutral party, and not the admin who left the note, who may or not be a little salty after being called out for a poor ban.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:10 pm #94270

Tunderchief wrote:Most people who have been here a long time have records

I disagree, I think that's just an excuse players with spotty histories use. We have a lot of longtime players who have clean records that we don't know about, because we mostly hear about the bad incidents.

There's been a whole lot of "Literally who's" that get made admin that nobody really hears of because they are these types of players who just keep their heads low.

I bet most people think sometinyprick is a newish player compared to most of the admin team, whereas it's actually the reverse.

You also had no idea who ausops was.

ABearInTheWoods · Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:13 pm

I mean, about the only really active player I know of without a long notes page or a history of getting known because they did something bad is reed.

And they noped out when given admin.

Most people without a notes history also aren't that well known

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:21 pm #94274

MrStonedOne wrote:Most people without a notes history also aren't that well known

Exactly my point. They're the players who like to play the game without kicking up lots of dirt. Recognition for these kinds of players is rare, unfortunately, because by nature of our jobs it exposes us to a lot of the bad ones a lot more often.

Pretty sure there's something in there about human nature about focusing on the negatives, too.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:26 pm #94275

Ikarrus wrote:You also had no idea who ausops was.

Because he apparently changed his ckey multiple times.

Yeah, I've been shit a few times, but I've only had a single weekban in the five years I've played, and maybe a half dozen other assorted, short bans. My style of play has been molded with administrative input over a course of years, but not my personality.

You don't like me because I call you guys out when appropriate, I don't let unjustified bans or admin actions stand without argument on the forums, and I have always generally been a nuisance or advocate for improved administrative performance and round interaction, as I feel the player base is entitled to their fun.

If you don't like me, be honest about it, I was Candidated fully expecting salt. Administration shouldn't be a popularity contest. I am here to try to become a good admin, not to improve your opinion of me.

Admins picking favorites is what leads to an embracing cubicle.

tedward1337 · Post by **tedward1337** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:55 am #94292

Dude
Really not helping your case here

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:45 am #94311

tedward1337 wrote:Dude
Really not helping your case here

There is no case.

An Asimov Secborg killed humans, a lot of humans, and I warned him about it in neither a nice or menacing manner, even though he started responding aggressively from the start, and was salty enough about it afterwards that he wrote a few paragraphs about it. I asked for advice, and acted exactly upon that advice. I don't see what the problem is.

Read the logs that Nik Nak has provided.

tedward1337 · Post by **tedward1337** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:08 am #94316

Tunder wrote:
tedward1337 wrote:Dude
Really not helping your case here
There is no case.

An Asimov Secborg killed humans, a lot of humans, and I warned him about it in neither a nice or menacing manner, even though he started responding aggressively from the start, and was salty enough about it afterwards that he wrote a few paragraphs about it. I asked for advice, and acted exactly upon that advice. I don't see what the problem is.

Read the logs that Nik Nak has provided.

I mean more with the general asshat-ery attitude
Just because someone comes out swinging in an ahelp doesnt mean you give that same attitude back
I literally told you to be welcoming in PM's, and when asking questions, have less of an accusation tone, and more of an inquiry tone.
Could this be handled better? Maybe, its in the past, all you need to do is take what you can from it and move on.

Tunder wrote: Admins picking favorites is what leads to an embracing cubicle.

This attitude i'snt doing you too well either

Doritos · Post by **Doritos** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:51 am #94380

Scones wrote:blah

Why do you keep citing me for things when you have no idea what you're talking about? I have 0 notes.

And obviously we have 0 standards for admin otherwise you wouldn't of been one in the first place.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:47 am #94418

Doritos wrote:
Scones wrote:blah
Why do you keep citing me for things when you have no idea what you're talking about? I have 0 notes.

And obviously we have 0 standards for admin otherwise you wouldn't of been one in the first place.

lmao

onleavedontatme · Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:48 am

Doritos wrote:
Scones wrote:blah
Why do you keep citing me for things when you have no idea what you're talking about? I have 0 notes.

And obviously we have 0 standards for admin otherwise you wouldn't of been one in the first place.

Shots fired

callanrockslol · Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:26 am

Doritos wrote:
Scones wrote:blah
Why do you keep citing me for things when you have no idea what you're talking about? I have 0 notes.

And obviously we have 0 standards for admin otherwise you wouldn't of been one in the first place.

Obviously we have some sort of standards because I'm not an admin.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:44 am #94444

this thread is turning into a shitflinging ad hom fest

I haven't really had any negative experiences with Thunder as an admin on the server yet, but I also haven't been online simultaneously with him a lot

dionysus24779 · Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:13 am

I dunno if I should still participate in this discussion since you seem to have moved on to discuss more or less admin-"internal" problems by now. But a few things I would still like to mention:

Scones wrote:No reason to dogpile the guy, he made a mistake and that's that.

I am happy for all the support and the time everybody takes to talk this through here, but it was never my intention to start some kind of witchhunt against Thunder and I wasn't even aware that he was apperantly already moving on "thin ice", though this changes nothing about what happened. It also wasn't my intention to get him removed or whatever, because as Quartz said... everyone makes mistakes, even admins. Though I do hope for a constructive end to this.

Tunder wrote:Several of my notes are from bans that were quickly overturned...

I'm getting a slight hypocritical vibe off of how you talk about your own notes, since now you bring in context to rationalize these away and explain how they shouldn't be that impactful, when you gave no such "luxury" to me when we talked. Which was also why I mentioned that you did not even know the context of these notes and didn't even want to aknowledge how old they were, though the latter was out of ignorance as it turns out, since now you know better.

I warned him about it in neither a nice or menacing manner, even though he started responding aggressively from the start,

As said before, others can judge for themselves.

...and was salty enough about it afterwards that he wrote a few paragraphs about it

So...? Do you prefer to not get any feedback or do you not want any negative one? Instead of apperantly being salty about this yourself you should take it as an actual opportunity to improve. Not only did you learn a few things (like how old notes aren't considered) but this whole thing even highlighted how you apperantly lack in active mentorship, which will hopefully be remedied in the future. And admins are discussing and pointing out problems in the general admin-selection process.

And I already apologized for my frustrated tone in the log, whereas I've seen nothing at all coming from you, not taking any kind of responsibility for your part in this, no open mind about what went wrong, not even an attempt to reach a conclusion or acknowledge your mistakes and learn from them. Instead you're trying to justify and shift everything away from you. Even your fellow peers, other admins, are calling you out for this. And I agree that "this" isn't a good attitude for a candidate, even though I might not qualify as a judge for that.

callanrockslol wrote:Obviously we have some sort of standards because I'm not an admin.

Did you ever apply?

I've been "offered" to become an admin twice so far, though I would've to go through the proper procedure just like everyone else.

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:34 pm #94493

Ricotez wrote:this thread is turning into a shitflinging ad hom fest

Pretty sure this exact same thing happened in the old one too, so let's try us a thing. The next person to post ad hom without any argument/reason/support behind it (as in, not being salty while arguing a case, but 'you're a fag and get deadminned full stop') will get a monthban from the forums from me personally.

Having feedback spaces we can trust to contain actual content is really important.

I didn't remove the things already here because one had an actual content alongside it and it would feel wrong to me to just delete scones' reply to the thing and not the thing itself, not sporting and all that

Durkel · Post by **Durkel** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:14 pm #94679

I see a lot of people bringing notes into the discussion here and I'd just like to say that notes aren't exactly a good judge of a player. Even the most veteran of players will acquire notes if they play long enough. Hell, I've even got bans and notes from things I can't remember nor have I actually seen. It's better to go with a player that has a history you can see and expect, then a unknown face you can't perceive.

dionysus24779 · Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:36 pm

Durkel wrote:I see a lot of people bringing notes into the discussion here and I'd just like to say that notes aren't exactly a good judge of a player. Even the most veteran of players will acquire notes if they play long enough. Hell, I've even got bans and notes from things I can't remember nor have I actually seen. It's better to go with a player that has a history you can see and expect, then a unknown face you can't perceive.

Well said, and this holds especially true if players often play "high profile" jobs like heads of staff, captain, or silicons (AI/Borgs) who seem to be under more scrutiny than your average Assistant. (Which is justified given their role in game... something about power and responsibility.)

Though as it is recent behavior is more important than ancient notes, which is good. Even a good player can screw up and even a bad player can learn.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:18 pm #95033

I have been playing for a few years. I have never been banned, and back when all notes were visible the only one i had was for going braindead at roundstart as HoS this one time. It is possible. I also would never touch admin with a ten foot pole however, so i think that also is a good point.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:17 pm #158057

>I would never touch admin with a ten foot pole
>He says as an admin
I will never let you live this down

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:22 pm #158062

Literally the only reason i did it was because the pubbie grief was getting way out of control and Shaps asked me very nicely. To be honest dunking griefers as a player is almost more fun than banning them

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:43 pm #158107

Quick put it as your sig

scrubs2009 · Post by **scrubs2009** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:02 am #243451

Here's my story about KittenSweater which I'll also be posting in the general

For starters Kitten answered my prayer for a TC trade. Then he turned me into a chaos carp. Already I like him because most admins won't do that. Then I asked him if he could spawn a radio and turn it on so I could carry it around and talk to the station. A lot of admins would have just ignored my request but he didn't. He even spawned into space next to me just to pick it up and turn it on. (Of course he became a pile of bones after). After about 20 minutes of me smashing up the station he tells me that the priest has started worshiping carp. I ask him to tell the priest an angel is coming and again, he does. When I get to the chapel I find it full of carp suits (His doing I assume) and 3 people who start worshiping me and asking to become carp. I say some flowery speech and then ask him if he can make the three worshipers into regular space carp. And he does it! After we go around destroying the station and he making Lia sentient we eventually die. For a final act he spawns ~25 space carp and mega carp into Centcom, spawning me as the only chaos magicarp so they could recognize me. We then reclaimed space for Carp-Sie.

A lot of admins rarely seem to change anything in the game that much due to fears it would make the the round too different but it's actually a good thing. It breaks up the staleness. KittenSweater is a great Trialadmin

Give him the

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:12 am #243452

scrubs2009 wrote:Here's my story about KittenSweater which I'll also be posting in the general

For starters Kitten answered my prayer for a TC trade. Then he turned me into a chaos carp. Already I like him because most admins won't do that. Then I asked him if he could spawn a radio and turn it on so I could carry it around and talk to the station. A lot of admins would have just ignored my request but he didn't. He even spawned into space next to me just to pick it up and turn it on. (Of course he became a pile of bones after). After about 20 minutes of me smashing up the station he tells me that the priest has started worshiping carp. I ask him to tell the priest an angel is coming and again, he does. When I get to the chapel I find it full of carp suits (His doing I assume) and 3 people who start worshiping me and asking to become carp. I say some flowery speech and then ask him if he can make the three worshipers into regular space carp. And he does it! After we go around destroying the station and he making Lia sentient we eventually die. For a final act he spawns ~25 space carp and mega carp into Centcom, spawning me as the only chaos magicarp so they could recognize me. We then reclaimed space for Carp-Sie.

A lot of admins rarely seem to change anything in the game that much due to fears it would make the the round too different but it's actually a good thing. It breaks up the staleness. KittenSweater is a great Trialadmin

Give him the

Think you meant to post here: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=9036

vcordie · Post by **vcordie** » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:17 am #251965

Dannno plays good midis UNLIKE KEVIN

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:59 am #251982

So genuinely speaking, this seems like a thread where it'll be taken serious if i post it here and not deducted as a /oxford/ meme.

I'd like to give a shot at candidating, i spoke to Krusvik about it a few months ago and seemed to be -ok- with it and willing to give it a shot but mentioned that there we're to many admins and pushed it on the back burner.

I'll paragraph out a application if need be, but generally the premise behind "oxford is going to paragraph anyone who disagrees with him" goes both ways.

Yes, people making a ban appeal are going to get novels.

however, that also means having fuller, cleaner, more personal admin helps when someone makes one and i give a response will also be included, meaning that when someone decides they want to know something about the game or a feature i'll actually be able to give a novel length explanation in a reasonable amount of time. that and instead of the generic "im on it" it'll be;

"Alright mate, i understand the situation, no worries, ill collect some shit with the both of them and keep you up to date as the situation progresses. Don't take it to heart, it'll be resolved in like three seconds it me mane."

pls consider

come on you make mehki a admin why not me

also accepting the leader of the revolution against the conspiracy into the conspiracy is a good strategic move

Post by **Owegno** » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:04 am #251984

Unsure about PKP but I would be fine with giving you a shot with how open we are right now unless a headmin or a bunch of other admins tell me not to.

Edit: Currently I have my hands full so it could be a week or so. Also what timezone are you in?

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:10 am #251985

EST.

and that'll be fine

Post by **Owegno** » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:14 am #251986

Well I got a bunch of people telling me not to really fast so, sorry. Its not going to happen.

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:46 am #251993

You're going to have that, its me.

I mean come on now at least give it a shot