Fake Revs
- Pizzatiger
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Fake Revs
Lately i been seeing this happen more and more where someone will grab a flash and run around faking a rev round which always results in security implanting 1/3 of the crew.
The problem with this is that we have 3 gamemodes where the antags can be screwed because of these actions at no fault of their own. It screws over hivemind because it locks off a segment of the crew from them and it also has a chance to reveal them to the crew. It screws cultists over by reducing the number of people they can turn into actual cultists instead of the shitty artificial beings and most importantly it can seriously screw up an actual rev round by revealing the revs early because fake flashers are NEVER subtle.
We have rules against security officers going around and implanting people at the start of the round for a reason and when someone pretends to be a rev head all it does is allow security to bypass these rules.
The problem with this is that we have 3 gamemodes where the antags can be screwed because of these actions at no fault of their own. It screws over hivemind because it locks off a segment of the crew from them and it also has a chance to reveal them to the crew. It screws cultists over by reducing the number of people they can turn into actual cultists instead of the shitty artificial beings and most importantly it can seriously screw up an actual rev round by revealing the revs early because fake flashers are NEVER subtle.
We have rules against security officers going around and implanting people at the start of the round for a reason and when someone pretends to be a rev head all it does is allow security to bypass these rules.
- Malkraz
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Re: Fake Revs
That's more a problem with security being stupid enough to implant a bunch of flashed people after the first one didn't get deconverted.
But if you wanted a solution just don't spawn flashes lying around outside of security. Even just removing them from tech storage and requiring Robotics to print their first set would discourage this behavior that realistically doesn't happen very often anyway.
But if you wanted a solution just don't spawn flashes lying around outside of security. Even just removing them from tech storage and requiring Robotics to print their first set would discourage this behavior that realistically doesn't happen very often anyway.
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- Pizzatiger
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Re: Fake Revs
Why wouldn't they? Implanting people doesn't hurt the crew in any way and actively harms at least 3 antag groups . The only reason why security doesn't require mandatory implantation at round start is because the rules don't allow them to which the fake flashing lets them bypassMalkraz wrote:that's more a problem with security being stupid enough to implant a bunch of flashed people after the first one didn't get deconverted
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Re: Fake Revs
I'd argue that the realization that it's fake after implanting the first guy should keep the restriction in place.
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- wesoda25
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Re: Fake Revs
Mass implantation is not an advantage and never will be. Security never looks for an excuse to do so, its a waste of time and money.
Act like an antag get treated like one. Flash spammers die fast, no loyal revs to protect them.
Most of the time I’d say its a ploy by bloodcult to get themselves implanted. But even that holds no real value.
So basically what I’m saying is theres no point to layer ourselves in yet another policy, these situations pretty much always resolve themselves icly.
Act like an antag get treated like one. Flash spammers die fast, no loyal revs to protect them.
Most of the time I’d say its a ploy by bloodcult to get themselves implanted. But even that holds no real value.
So basically what I’m saying is theres no point to layer ourselves in yet another policy, these situations pretty much always resolve themselves icly.
- WarbossLincoln
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Re: Fake Revs
If someone is faking a rev round you perma them after you confirm they're not real revs. Sometimes people play along and start swarming and disarm spamming sec as if they were revs. Use lethals and perma any you catch until they disperse.
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Re: Fake Revs
Antags not having practical counters to mindshields shouldn't mean we ban people who say viva with flash in hand.
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Re: Fake Revs
What about random "Revs!" call outs? Those don't even require flashes to do. Additionally, can I use a random call out as an IC excuse to go get implanted against "revs" (hiveminds)?
- imsxz
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Re: Fake Revs
>be cultist >random assistant flashes people and shouts viva, me being one of them >sec arrests, implants, and searches me >finds cult gear >cult fucked over yet again because its the 15th time in a row someone did the EPIC gamer fake rev meme >gamers think this is good gameplay and shouldnt be punishable
yikes.
yikes.

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Re: Fake Revs
>getting caughtimsxz wrote:>be cultist >random assistant flashes people and shouts viva, me being one of them >sec arrests, implants, and searches me >finds cult gear >cult fucked over yet again because its the 15th time in a row someone did the EPIC gamer fake rev meme >gamers think this is good gameplay and shouldnt be punishable
yikes.
BIG yikes
- Malkraz
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Re: Fake Revs
>Leaving your cult shit in your backpack and not well-hidden in or near your base
BIGGER yikes
BIGGER yikes
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Re: Fake Revs
this actually happened before LOLimsxz wrote:>be cultist >random assistant flashes people and shouts viva, me being one of them >sec arrests, implants, and searches me >finds cult gear >cult fucked over yet again because its the 15th time in a row someone did the EPIC gamer fake rev meme >gamers think this is good gameplay and shouldnt be punishable
yikes.
some poor fuck rev got caught because some cuntface faked a revolution for the 2,000th time in a row and security finally had an excuse to mass search people and they found their gear and executed them
Fake revs is incredibly Aids and Bullshit especially when it comes to giving security valids to search and hunt people down which a lot of the time leads to them hunting down real antags before anything interesting happens and I'm a huge advocate for actually making repeat antag fakers suffer some time based punishment
that and it gets boring after the 50th time you experience it personally, I'm at the point of intentionally instantly incinerating and spacing people who fake being revolutionaries
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Re: Fake Revs
This is already covered by rule 1
"Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules."
Sadly it has yet to be enforced, as many admins see this as non-issue.
"Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules."
Sadly it has yet to be enforced, as many admins see this as non-issue.
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- Kel
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Re: Fake Revs
fake revs is Gay As Fuck
going on a goose-chase as security for nothing Isnt Fun
antags having their rounds ruined by a tense security team Isnt Fun
innocents suffering by the paranoid hand of security Isnt Fun
going on a goose-chase as security for nothing Isnt Fun
antags having their rounds ruined by a tense security team Isnt Fun
innocents suffering by the paranoid hand of security Isnt Fun
- Grazyn
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Re: Fake Revs
What's the ruling on emoting the deconversion message when they implant you? I did it once and wasn't banned for it but it was some time ago
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Re: Fake Revs
oc in icGrazyn wrote:What's the ruling on emoting the deconversion message when they implant you? I did it once and wasn't banned for it but it was some time ago
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Re: Fake Revs
I can relate.Kel wrote:fake revs is Gay As Fuck
going on a goose-chase as security for nothing Isnt Fun
antags having their rounds ruined by a tense security team Isnt Fun
innocents suffering by the paranoid hand of security Isnt Fun
>It's stealth Ops.
>Some greyshit is flashing everyone.
>Me and the rest of the heads are already geared up and barricaded in Sec with the Nuke Disk locked in with us.
It was really easy to deal with them, as they no longer had the advantage of surprise as we were ready for a fight.
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- WarbossLincoln
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Re: Fake Revs
What's even more cancerous is when people play along with the fake revs meme. More than once I've seen someone flash 4 or 5 people screaming viva and then the flashed people mob an officer and take his shit. If that's not self antagging I don't know what is.
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Re: Fake Revs
Rule 10 covers player interactions as well.imsxz wrote:>be cultist >random assistant flashes people and shouts viva, me being one of them >sec arrests, implants, and searches me >finds cult gear >cult fucked over yet again because its the 15th time in a row someone did the EPIC gamer fake rev meme >gamers think this is good gameplay and shouldnt be punishable
yikes.
The burden should be on security to very easily piece out it’s a fake rev rather than using that as an excuse to be hitlers for most of the round.
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- WarbossLincoln
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Re: Fake Revs
That example isn't sec being gestapo though. In that example a person getting flashed was a cultist and they got arrested and outed. Nothing gestapo about arresting someone who gets flashed by a possible rev head.
If a fake flasher does cause sec to start arresting random people all over the station without confirming revs that's shit.
If a fake flasher does cause sec to start arresting random people all over the station without confirming revs that's shit.
- Malkraz
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Re: Fake Revs
uh oh you can't suggest putting responsibility on security around these parts, buster
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- leibniz
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Re: Fake Revs
lolwesoda25 wrote:Mass implantation is not an advantage and never will be. Security never looks for an excuse to do so, its a waste of time and money.
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- DemonFiren
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Re: Fake Revs
yeah, sure, let's make people trying to break the meta against the rules
24/7 enforced tdm when
24/7 enforced tdm when
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Re: Fake Revs
Fake revs is a shit meme and should be bannable its fucking dumb because other antags can get owned because some chucklefuck assistant thought it'd be funny to flash random people and should "VIVA" for the 10th round in a row
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Re: Fake Revs
so long as it isn't the same chucklefuck assistant
overdoing fun stuff is how fun is made illegal
overdoing fun stuff is how fun is made illegal
- wesoda25
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Re: Fake Revs
Its not. Getting rid of implants just like that is stupid. Use them only when necessary, or you’ll be out when you really need one. The issue beyond people being cunts and spam flashing is that sec is stupid and doesn’t know how to play the long game.leibniz wrote:lolwesoda25 wrote:Mass implantation is not an advantage and never will be. Security never looks for an excuse to do so, its a waste of time and money.
I suppose you could order more but who the fuck wants to waste 4K credits on 3 implants if a major threat isn’t confirmed.
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Re: Fake Revs
t. Your asspubby wrote:oc in icGrazyn wrote:What's the ruling on emoting the deconversion message when they implant you? I did it once and wasn't banned for it but it was some time ago
Remind me to wade through all this BS when I get home today, yall’re dumb
- Vaina
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Re: Fake Revs
As someone who's dealt with this before, it's absolutely cancerous. There's playing 'le fune rev meme xd' once in a blue moon, and there's being a cunt for the umpteenth round to confuse and misdirect security's efforts. I can't begin to count the number of times I've failed to respond accordingly to revolutionaries as a result of this prank repeating round after round.
In these situations, security should be allowed to act quickly and with impunity, and any damage incurred by the crew should fall squarely on the shoulders of whoever perpetrated the """"joke"""". Making people fully accountable for the disasters they cause would be a great step in the right direction.
In these situations, security should be allowed to act quickly and with impunity, and any damage incurred by the crew should fall squarely on the shoulders of whoever perpetrated the """"joke"""". Making people fully accountable for the disasters they cause would be a great step in the right direction.
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Re: Fake Revs
most of the time fake revs dont go and make stunprods and begin fucking murderboning sec so its pretty obvious most of the times to me that its le funny meme lol
honestly you gotta blame sec's perception 0 tunnel vision of "me hurr durr see flash person that means theres revs!!!" and if they implant 1/3rd of the station without realising its revolution
sure 3 antags being fucked over is pretty shit but if secolds could actually tell when its fake and real revs that'd be neat
honestly you gotta blame sec's perception 0 tunnel vision of "me hurr durr see flash person that means theres revs!!!" and if they implant 1/3rd of the station without realising its revolution
sure 3 antags being fucked over is pretty shit but if secolds could actually tell when its fake and real revs that'd be neat
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Re: Fake Revs
saprasam wrote:most of the time fake revs dont go and make stunprods and begin fucking murderboning sec so its pretty obvious most of the times to me that its le funny meme lol
honestly you gotta blame sec's perception 0 tunnel vision of "me hurr durr see flash person that means theres revs!!!" and if they implant 1/3rd of the station without realising its revolution
sure 3 antags being fucked over is pretty shit but if secolds could actually tell when its fake and real revs that'd be neat
Pretty much this; but I guess it is more complicated because of our rules. "Characters are otherwise allowed to know everything about ingame mechanics or antagonists, is what makes things weird here. I personally think it makes no sense that anyone should be screaming "REVS REVS REVS!!!" whenever they see someone get flashed, but our rules do indeed allow that which means that the otherwise harmless prank of flashing people is now taken super serious because everyone is allowed to know that flash = revs rather than treating it as a minor crime of someone being a nuisance (unless they choose to RP it that way).
So, as much as it pains me, I guess fake revs with our current rule allowance of meta knowledge of antag mechanics is super cancer and round disrupting and though I would love to see the rule about every single member of the crew having 100% knowledge of all antag mechanics changed, I don't see that happening; which means, fake rev stuff shouldn't be done often if at all

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Re: Fake Revs
Then you tell me how to confirm if someone an antagonist without inadvertently screwing them over because they actually were.saprasam wrote:sure 3 antags being fucked over is pretty shit but if secolds could actually tell when its fake and real revs that'd be neat
Oh right. That's not happening.
Let me regale you with a little anecdote of how one greytide apologist like yourself dicked over an entire game for many in the form of a greentext:
>be warden
>hear screams over the radio about people getting flashed
>being in command, order my redshirts to apprehend the suspects
>they haul in one
>i try and implant them
>they resist
>promptly execute
>the rest of the round spirals into one huge implantation fest
>by the end of it, the vast majority has found itself implanted
>security brings in one last suspect
>they resist the implant
>execute and immediately get the epic red text
>it's hivemind
Granted, even though we learned it was hivemind somewhere down the line, we wouldn't have discovered or caught them so early on were it not for someone's ebin rev meme.
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Re: Fake Revs
Be a sec main for six months. You must only play sec unless you get antag. You will be able to prove you're a better man if you can be sec while knowing whether it is a joke or not after that.saprasam wrote:most of the time fake revs dont go and make stunprods and begin fucking murderboning sec so its pretty obvious most of the times to me that its le funny meme lol
honestly you gotta blame sec's perception 0 tunnel vision of "me hurr durr see flash person that means theres revs!!!" and if they implant 1/3rd of the station without realising its revolution
sure 3 antags being fucked over is pretty shit but if secolds could actually tell when its fake and real revs that'd be neat
Also I almost never see revs make stunprods either. Most of the time, it is just one guy. People don't normally make makeshift weapons like spears and shit so that would be a horrible way of telling if there is a revolution.
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Re: Fake Revs
sure, if you're an experienced player, it can be easy to distinguish fake revs from real revs based on how the crew acts, but the majority of the playerbase isn't at that level. Even if there's an experienced HOS leading, it can be hard to calm down a team of antsy officers trying to find "revs" that go implant nazi despite being told that the suspected headrev was debunked. Sadly relying on the playerbase to just git gud isn't much of an option when new players join every day and plenty of people aren't mentally invested in becoming the ULTIMATE GAMER.
for starters, deltastation's science lobby and every maps tech storage can safely ditch their flashes. apparently robotics used to belong to engineering and thats why engineering gets 2 for free.
for starters, deltastation's science lobby and every maps tech storage can safely ditch their flashes. apparently robotics used to belong to engineering and thats why engineering gets 2 for free.

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Re: Fake Revs
I feel like the conversation is drifting towards punishing over zealous responses toward fake rev rounds but I feel personally that is the wrong way to go about it. Its alot harder to investigate and figure out the motives of a bunch of security guards then it is to crack down/investigate the EXTREMELY obvious shitter who is running around flashing people.
Example
Admin- Why did you search and implant the crew, we go reports from a cultist that you were searching and implanting members of the crew Security- Well there were reports of someone running around flashing people so we decided it would be wise to check out these claims and test people who were effected. Of course we realized we were wrong once we discovered the cult gear but we were acting to prevent a possible revolution
VS
Admin- Why were you running around flashing people and shouting VIVA Assistant- Well i wanted to fake a rev round because its funny
I get the Assistant example was a strawman but I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out a valid response to that question that justifies why an assistant would do that and I couldn't. If you can give me a valid reason why people should be able to do this shit then I would love to hear it
Example
Admin- Why did you search and implant the crew, we go reports from a cultist that you were searching and implanting members of the crew Security- Well there were reports of someone running around flashing people so we decided it would be wise to check out these claims and test people who were effected. Of course we realized we were wrong once we discovered the cult gear but we were acting to prevent a possible revolution
VS
Admin- Why were you running around flashing people and shouting VIVA Assistant- Well i wanted to fake a rev round because its funny
I get the Assistant example was a strawman but I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out a valid response to that question that justifies why an assistant would do that and I couldn't. If you can give me a valid reason why people should be able to do this shit then I would love to hear it
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Re: Fake Revs
nice quadsimsxz wrote:sure, if you're an experienced player, it can be easy to distinguish fake revs from real revs based on how the crew acts, but the majority of the playerbase isn't at that level. Even if there's an experienced HOS leading, it can be hard to calm down a team of antsy officers trying to find "revs" that go implant nazi despite being told that the suspected headrev was debunked. Sadly relying on the playerbase to just git gud isn't much of an option when new players join every day and plenty of people aren't mentally invested in becoming the ULTIMATE GAMER.
for starters, deltastation's science lobby and every maps tech storage can safely ditch their flashes. apparently robotics used to belong to engineering and thats why engineering gets 2 for free.
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Re: Fake Revs
The really rare assistant who uses the flash only for self defense.Pizzatiger wrote:I get the Assistant example was a strawman but I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out a valid response to that question that justifies why an assistant would do that and I couldn't. If you can give me a valid reason why people should be able to do this shit then I would love to hear it
He wouldn't try faking revs though.
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Re: Fake Revs
I think the argument is that theres no point not to. I don’t think this is anywhere near the problem you guys are painting it to be.Its tg, you wanna be autistic and fake a revolution you can. The only difference I can see between this and faking another antag, which most people think is pretty funny, is the fact that you flash people so rule 1?
And the mindshields really don’t ruin a round if security is wrong anyways. It’s not some huge issue of security using an excuse to mass implant. Theres just not enough of an advantage to be gained from it. The odds of you finding a real antag are slim, and its said antags fault (eh) for being near the autist spam flashing everyone.
If someone makes a pattern of spam flashing admins should get involved. Otherwise, who the fuck cares.
And the mindshields really don’t ruin a round if security is wrong anyways. It’s not some huge issue of security using an excuse to mass implant. Theres just not enough of an advantage to be gained from it. The odds of you finding a real antag are slim, and its said antags fault (eh) for being near the autist spam flashing everyone.
If someone makes a pattern of spam flashing admins should get involved. Otherwise, who the fuck cares.
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Re: Fake Revs
This thread again
The real solution is to permaban from assistant anyone that fake calls rev when they ahelp after being killed. No whats ifs or buts
The real solution is to permaban from assistant anyone that fake calls rev when they ahelp after being killed. No whats ifs or buts
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Re: Fake Revs
I can attest to Manley's prowess when he takes over for Sec in half the rounds he plays. There's unironically been plenty of comments about how much better the station has been under the tide's rule.Ayy Lemoh wrote:Be a sec main for six months. You must only play sec unless you get antag. You will be able to prove you're a better man if you can be sec while knowing whether it is a joke or not after that.
This. While fake revs probably gets old pretty quick, the odds of you actually running up and flashing an actual antagonist who Sec later implants are anywhere between like 1/20 and 1/80 assuming it's even a round where those antags exist. This particular complaint is garbage.wesoda25 wrote:I think the argument is that theres no point not to. I don’t think this is anywhere near the problem you guys are painting it to be.Its tg, you wanna be autistic and fake a revolution you can. The only difference I can see between this and faking another antag, which most people think is pretty funny, is the fact that you flash people so rule 1?
And the mindshields really don’t ruin a round if security is wrong anyways. It’s not some huge issue of security using an excuse to mass implant. Theres just not enough of an advantage to be gained from it. The odds of you finding a real antag are slim, and its said antags fault (eh) for being near the autist spam flashing everyone.
If someone makes a pattern of spam flashing admins should get involved. Otherwise, who the fuck cares.
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Re: Fake Revs
fixedD&B wrote:The real solution is to permaban anyone that fake calls rev when they ahelp after being killed. No whats ifs or buts
acting like an antag and ahelping when you're treated like one is pretty clear cut banbait
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Re: Fake Revs
But where do you draw the line? A couple of days ago I was a scientist, went to say hi to the roboticist and they already have a welding mask down and says to me "head rev?" I asked why and they said "well why else would you come here at shift start?" I told them not to be so paranoid, implied ICly that they were a powergaming turd, then grabbed one of their flashes, flashed them and dropped the flash. So to summarise, I used a flash from robotics (which I had access to) on someone when I knew it was ineffective. Am I valid? Is the other party allowed to shout over comms that I am a rev?
I think killing someone for just flashing or having been flashed without actually confirming it's revs is too much, it should also be taken into account if another threat has been confirmed. Shouting "viva" and calling "revs" is more cut and dry, that's acting like an antag, flashing and people drawing incorrect conclusions is not.
I think killing someone for just flashing or having been flashed without actually confirming it's revs is too much, it should also be taken into account if another threat has been confirmed. Shouting "viva" and calling "revs" is more cut and dry, that's acting like an antag, flashing and people drawing incorrect conclusions is not.
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Re: Fake Revs
I feel like people are treating this is more complicated than it really is. If someone is running around as a non-antag and flashing people there is a 80% chance they are faking a rev round and the admins can use their judgement for the other 20%?
Why should we allow this pretty obvious shittery when it leads to scenarios where a hivemind can get discovered 3 minutes in a round just because some asshole decided that taking a flash and flashing everyone they see is a funny idea to do every other round. Trust me, It isnt fun spending a round an a hivemind where security go on a mass implantation streak because they discover that hivemind exist because of that rev bullshit.
Edit- And to people claiming that we should kill people who do this shit and ban them if they complain, I doubt that will actually do anything. They do this shit so they can become a minor antagonist and waste security time chasing them. I doubt they would do this stuff if spending a round dead bothered them
Why should we allow this pretty obvious shittery when it leads to scenarios where a hivemind can get discovered 3 minutes in a round just because some asshole decided that taking a flash and flashing everyone they see is a funny idea to do every other round. Trust me, It isnt fun spending a round an a hivemind where security go on a mass implantation streak because they discover that hivemind exist because of that rev bullshit.
Edit- And to people claiming that we should kill people who do this shit and ban them if they complain, I doubt that will actually do anything. They do this shit so they can become a minor antagonist and waste security time chasing them. I doubt they would do this stuff if spending a round dead bothered them
- Ayy Lemoh
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Re: Fake Revs
Imagine being banned or a serious threat of being banned over this. You would see it stop unless said threats at ban are the equivalent of someone being permabanned 5+ times yet they still get unbanned.Pizzatiger wrote:Edit- And to people claiming that we should kill people who do this shit and ban them if they complain, I doubt that will actually do anything. They do this shit so they can become a minor antagonist and waste security time chasing them. I doubt they would do this stuff if spending a round dead bothered them
- leibniz
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Re: Fake Revs
Well just flashing one guy is not much, but if someone is a serial flasher I'd say that falls under "act like an antag, get treated like an antag" so it'd be fair to cave in their skull as they gibber about "breaking the meta" and "just pretending" (they are totally concerned for the health of the server and not just wanting to stir shit because they are bored when they dont get antag).Gouty wrote:I think killing someone for just flashing or having been flashed without actually confirming it's revs is too much, it should also be taken into account if another threat has been confirmed. Shouting "viva" and calling "revs" is more cut and dry, that's acting like an antag, flashing and people drawing incorrect conclusions is not.
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- obscolene
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Re: Fake Revs
i did this for a while, not six months but it was still a pretty big chunk of time. i stopped doing it after it just became boring. anyways, the funny thing is that it doesn't matter if they're actually a rev or not. if someone goes around flashing people yelling viva, they are intentionally trying to make people think they're a rev. just kill them at roundstart and don't let them play the videogame for an hour and a half. rinse and repeat. idk why people don't want to play sec bc they're afraid of being banned, it's not that hard to know what your limitations are. idk if i've said this on the forums or not before but the problem is that most sec players don't think they are allowed to do things they are, and vice versa.Ayy Lemoh wrote:Be a sec main for six months. You must only play sec unless you get antag. You will be able to prove you're a better man if you can be sec while knowing whether it is a joke or not after that.
tl;dr: if someone does le epic rev maymay, remove them from the round asap so they can't play game.
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- wesoda25
- Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:32 pm
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Re: Fake Revs
Yeah. People are afraid to play sec because lots of sec mains get banned. They don’t realize said mains are dumbasses who enjoy line toeing rule one on shitters. I’ve got >100 hours and I think I’ve been bwoinked like 3 times, never noted or banned (except this one time when I was new but that doesn’t count).obscolene wrote:i did this for a while, not six months but it was still a pretty big chunk of time. i stopped doing it after it just became boring. anyways, the funny thing is that it doesn't matter if they're actually a rev or not. if someone goes around flashing people yelling viva, they are intentionally trying to make people think they're a rev. just kill them at roundstart and don't let them play the videogame for an hour and a half. rinse and repeat. idk why people don't want to play sec bc they're afraid of being banned, it's not that hard to know what your limitations are. idk if i've said this on the forums or not before but the problem is that most sec players don't think they are allowed to do things they are, and vice versa.Ayy Lemoh wrote:Be a sec main for six months. You must only play sec unless you get antag. You will be able to prove you're a better man if you can be sec while knowing whether it is a joke or not after that.
tl;dr: if someone does le epic rev maymay, remove them from the round asap so they can't play game.
And yes jerry its pretty easy to tell when its a joke or not. I usually just implant and send them along, but obscolene is right you can just kill them and be done with it.
- Dax Dupont
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Re: Fake Revs
I'm just gonna start banning people who do the fake Rev meme.
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Re: Fake Revs
Godspeed.Dax Dupont wrote:I'm just gonna start banning people who do the fake Rev meme.
- Ayy Lemoh
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Re: Fake Revs
I forgot to add a prerequisite to my challenge although six months isn't required I guess:wesoda25 wrote:And yes jerry its pretty easy to tell when its a joke or not. I usually just implant and send them along, but obscolene is right you can just kill them and be done with it.
You have to know if it's a fake rev or not by simply looking at them. You are not allowed to implant them.
Obviously if you implant them then you'll know it's fake. I would also LOVE to kill and space fake revs however admins told I would get punished for treating them like an antag. It's not funny what they do.
Hope it's one of those things where you are seen as a saint and the headmins won't go damn it dax just let them do the meme greytide is fine wtfDax Dupont wrote:I'm just gonna start banning people who do the fake Rev meme.
- Dax Dupont
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Re: Fake Revs
I'm blessed by Saint IGNUcius.Ayy Lemoh wrote:I forgot to add a prerequisite to my challenge although six months isn't required I guess:wesoda25 wrote:And yes jerry its pretty easy to tell when its a joke or not. I usually just implant and send them along, but obscolene is right you can just kill them and be done with it.
You have to know if it's a fake rev or not by simply looking at them. You are not allowed to implant them.
Obviously if you implant them then you'll know it's fake. I would also LOVE to kill and space fake revs however admins told I would get punished for treating them like an antag. It's not funny what they do.Hope it's one of those things where you are seen as a saint and the headmins won't go damn it dax just let them do the meme greytide is fine wtfDax Dupont wrote:I'm just gonna start banning people who do the fake Rev meme.
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