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it's not actually that hard to make it go boom. Just carry it away from the containment in a radsuit, and leave it in the hallways. nobody is going to get far when it comes to carrying it away because of heavy radiation (throw literally any object at it for big rad pulse) and then once they're on the ground you can just hurl them at it

additionally it's hilarious when you lube up the hallways and people slip n slide into it

Damn, dragging it did not occur to me. Will exposure to the air alone be enough to make it go critical though?

if you're throwing people things into the supermatter regularly it should.

That actually sounds fun as fuck. Instead of releasing the engine you just drag it into the halls, throw all the radsuits at it and laugh as everyone dies. Hell, nobody'll even shoot at you 'cause if they do the supermatter will supernova. All you need is one admin to trade you for a radproof species.

Last time I tried it you can also pick them up with a ripley. Load up fifteen of the fucking things into your cargo compartment and leave them lying around the place.

ShadowDimentio wrote:That actually sounds fun as fuck. Instead of releasing the engine you just drag it into the halls, throw all the radsuits at it and laugh as everyone dies. Hell, nobody'll even shoot at you 'cause if they do the supermatter will supernova. All you need is one admin to trade you for a radproof species.

reminder that if they have no rad defense throwing anything at the supermatter stuns them for a long time and gives them a disability

This is downright more evil than the days of old releasing the singularity and beaconing it to cut through the station. Oy vey.

The inner door needs to be bolted at roundstart, no question about it.

Also DEEP FEEDBACK time:

The SM generates too much power with oxygen, the power multiplier just gets insane with cold oxygen in the loop and cold plasma in the collectors... 2 million watts with just a couple minutes of setup.

If I get enough time I'm going to try and make the "scaling gas" random every round so that the power export system actually requires a little effort to push the engine to its limit. Oxygen is trivial anyway since the siphons can easily remove plasma before it can start a major fire.

But even then 2m watts with 4 emitters is just silly. I'd want an optimal gas mix to generate 1m with default emitters at most. Pushing to 2m should require creativity with emitters and making more reflectors.

Is it possible to get more collectors?

Just make sure to like update the guide with a best setup and everything, the guide is deffo lacking.

So, are the windows separating the SM area from the rest of engineering supposed to be regular glass on box?
They are r-windows on meta.
r-windows probably makes more sense since you can access the pumps 2fast with regular windows

No, the guide should show you how to make it work. But experimenting to make the best engine has been extremely fun for me

Armhulen wrote:No, the guide should show you how to make it work. But experimenting to make the best engine has been extremely fun for me

Then the maxcap guide and other detailed guides should go too.

I'ma make it cool with Freon

If you wanna nerf power generation, make the collectors based off volume/pressure instead of moles.

As for oxygen being too good, I agree. In fact, I was going to recode all the gas interactions to reblance everything and add other modifiers than just power, like gases that cause the shard to emit more heat, gases that make the shard immune to heat based on gas composition, chain reactions that make unstable setups more common and different failures based on the gas heat/composition or even produce different gases like freon at the cost of lower power output. I kinda offloaded all the work on Kor though.

AdAstraPerAspera wrote:

Armhulen wrote:No, the guide should show you how to make it work. But experimenting to make the best engine has been extremely fun for me

Then the maxcap guide and other detailed guides should go too.

Sure, at least for madcap guides.

If someone wants to make a guide on how to flawlessly do whatever, let them. We're not Goon.

Now it is way harder to release the engine I think it is a good time to make the singularity scary again.

Let the singularity spawned by supermatter shard failure be the same sing you get when it absorbs a shard.

Lvl 6 sing ftw.

CPTANT wrote:Now it is way harder to release the engine I think it is a good time to make the singularity scary again.

Let the singularity spawned by supermatter shard failure be the same sing you get when it absorbs a shard.

Lvl 6 sing ftw.

It already does. There just haven't been enough loosed for a lot of people to notice.

Also the shard is a bit boringly stable, we had a situation today in which the supermatter room burned for like half an hour, but the shard doesn't really give a fuck because the cooling loop is passive and the pumps don't care about fire.

After that it lost power and it still didn't give a fuck for like 15 minutes.

The shard is nigh impossible to fuck up, especially how it screams that it's about to blow up for ten minutes before it blows up.

ShadowDimentio wrote:The shard is nigh impossible to fuck up, especially how it screams that it's about to blow up for ten minutes before it blows up.

The shard should only yell once when it's getting to high levels. And people don't know how to loose it, it's actually p easy. All you need to do is make a filter filter co2/the gas you're using to cool it OR turn on space cooling bypass OR pump in hot gas from atmos access OR make the freezers heat up the supermatter

ANY of the above

cedarbridge wrote:

CPTANT wrote:Now it is way harder to release the engine I think it is a good time to make the singularity scary again.

Let the singularity spawned by supermatter shard failure be the same sing you get when it absorbs a shard.

Lvl 6 sing ftw.

It already does. There just haven't been enough loosed for a lot of people to notice.

I just tested this locally and it does not seem to be the case.

Armhulen wrote:

ShadowDimentio wrote:The shard is nigh impossible to fuck up, especially how it screams that it's about to blow up for ten minutes before it blows up.

The shard should only yell once when it's getting to high levels. And people don't know how to loose it, it's actually p easy. All you need to do is make a filter filter co2/the gas you're using to cool it OR turn on space cooling bypass OR pump in hot gas from atmos access OR make the freezers heat up the supermatter

ANY of the above

Still takes ages though. It definitely needs some tweaks in the variables to make it less absurdly stable. Firing emitters at it without any form of cooling in a closed room even seems to be stable.


Also supermatter should fail from overpressure. Now pressure = better infinitely.

Watched a shard slowly go critical as no one intervened. Then as it hit 80% delam the AI finally noticed, turned the pumps on, and left it alone and it slowly went back to stable. What a fucking joke for a engine, even the AM reactor is more volatile than this.

I am testing it locally and I am seriously having trouble to get it to blow up.

Even with all the cooling gas removed it just reaches a certain stage of de-lamination and than hangs stable around that....

i've still seen the singulo eat the station a bunch of times because no one cared to stop it and/or no one knew how to stop the delam.

in theory it's interesting i guess but there's still no reason to provide power beyond the tiny bare minimum the station requires. using exotic gas mixes is pointless when you can just use the easily provided n2 canisters that keep it 1000000% percent stable forever. furthermore we still can't build reflectors so using more than 4-5 emitters is impossible because.. it's impossible. we also can't filter gases by temperature. which is a flaw in theory i guess.

The fact the Supermatter blares how its slowly going critical over the course of five minutes means so long as there's someone with engineering access on station they can easily go in and resolve the problem.

I've adressed the sabotage difficulty here: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/24785

The engine is now guaranteed to choke on 100% plasma setups, and high CO2 ones will cause a really hard to fix chain reaction that irridiates, zaps, heats and then explodes violently.

Is it still possible to drag the suppermatter around? I tried to move it but I couldn't and the wrench just instantly vaporized when I tried to unwrench it.

CPTANT wrote:Is it still possible to drag the suppermatter around? I tried to move it but I couldn't and the wrench just instantly vaporized when I tried to unwrench it.

You have to order one from cargo.

Could we have something more interesting on supermatter overload than explosion or singulo? What if it exploded sending system-wide EMP, instantly draining all the power from apcs, batteries and everything. Maybe even bolting all the airlocks down.

Spooky Station 13.

Lumbermancer wrote:Could we have something more interesting on supermatter overload than explosion or singulo? What if it exploded sending system-wide EMP, instantly draining all the power from apcs, batteries and everything. Maybe even bolting all the airlocks down.

Spooky Station 13.

That's a really good idea actually. Do EMPs kill AIs?

Tokiko2 wrote:

Lumbermancer wrote:Could we have something more interesting on supermatter overload than explosion or singulo? What if it exploded sending system-wide EMP, instantly draining all the power from apcs, batteries and everything. Maybe even bolting all the airlocks down.

Spooky Station 13.

That's a really good idea actually. Do EMPs kill AIs?

No, but draining all power from the entire station will.

You can give AI SMES the anti-supermatter shielding.

Armhulen wrote:

Tokiko2 wrote:

Lumbermancer wrote:Could we have something more interesting on supermatter overload than explosion or singulo? What if it exploded sending system-wide EMP, instantly draining all the power from apcs, batteries and everything. Maybe even bolting all the airlocks down.

Spooky Station 13.

That's a really good idea actually. Do EMPs kill AIs?

No, but draining all power from the entire station will.

EMP does damage Ai's.

EMP was just a shorthand for power fucking pulse.

> set supermatter off
> every airlock is immediately bolted and depowered
> buy esword and cut your way to escape
> bloodlessly hijack the shuttle in style while everyone else has to tear the station apart to get out of whatever room they're now locked in

fund it

Can't wait to see the new hallucinations in play now that people can get them globally when the SM blows.