[CreationPro] Aristarchus - Permabanned

[Aristarchus]

Byond account and character name: Aristarchus
Banning admin: CreationPro
Ban type (e.g. Engineering jobban): PermaBan
Ban reason and length: Probation failed lied his ass off hasn't changed.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2013-12-17
Your side of the story: I don't even know why I was banned. I was a Security Officer and all of a sudden I was permabanned by CreationPro. What the hell?
Why you think you should be unbanned: I haven't done anything wrong.

[Vekter]

CreationPro has since resigned, so I'll pick this one up. Lemme check your notes and see if I can get a grasp on what's going on.

[Aristarchus]

Alright then.

[Vekter]

That's interesting. See, our database guru says your account was created in 2014. How were you banned in 2013, then?

[Aristarchus]

That's interesting. See, our database guru says your account was created in 2014. How were you banned in 2013, then?

I have previous accounts. The ban reason specifically mentions "Freshmaniscoolman."

[Vekter]

Please make future ban appeals using the proper key, then. Let me check on this.

[NikNakFlak]

Your ban and ckey does not exist anywhere in our database, server, records, etc.
As far as this server is concerned, you have never played here.
Are you sure this is the right server?

[Aristarchus]

Your ban and ckey does not exist anywhere in our database, server, records, etc.
As far as this server is concerned, you have never played here.
Are you sure this is the right server?

Yup, Sybil tgstation 13, I can't enter the server because I was banned. Have you checked Freshmaniscoolman?

[NikNakFlak]

If none of your computer info matches any other account, we will never know. You should have appealed by telling us the banned ckey.

[Vekter]

We had a discussion in #supportbus. tl;dr Aristarchus/Freshmaniscoolman/Manadeel has a week to come back with an admin endorsement from another server (Paradise was discussed). If the admin gives us a positive character reference, he'll be unbanned on final probation.

Spoiler:

[02:45:50] * Manadeel (~[email protected]) joins #supportbus
[02:45:52] <Manadeel> done
[02:46:05] <Manadeel> look vekter
[02:46:07] <Manadeel> ill be very honest with u
[02:46:19] <Vekter> Why was your Manadeel account permabanned in the first place
[02:46:30] <Manadeel> theres no manadeel account
[02:46:36] <Manadeel> this is just my irc name
[02:46:36] <Manadeel> i think
[02:46:39] <Vekter> There's a note on Freshmaniscoolman from when you were banned in 2012 with the reason as just "Manadeel"
[02:46:50] <Manadeel> well then i have a manadeel account
[02:46:52] <Manadeel> vekter
[02:47:02] <Manadeel> the reason i did that is because i was basically cancer in the old forums
[02:47:07] <Manadeel> i constantly bothered ppl and posted shitposts
[02:47:14] <Manadeel> so eventually i got banned in the server
[02:47:28] <Vekter> Right
[02:47:37] <Vekter> Then you got permabanned on probation again
[02:47:43] <Vekter> So tell me why I should unban you
[02:47:45] <Manadeel> yeah, i dont know why though
[02:47:59] <Manadeel> well i really dont know why iwas banned
[02:48:02] <Manadeel> its been a long time
[02:48:37] <Vekter> I get that, but I don't have any reason to believe you've changed.
[02:48:47] <Vekter> Have you been playing on another server since we banned you?
[02:48:55] <Manadeel> yes
[02:49:41] <Manadeel> well honestly i think you should ban me based on the duration of the time period itself. back in 2012 i was a really immature asshole
[02:49:48] <Vekter> You mean unban.
[02:49:52] <Manadeel> yeah
[02:49:57] <Manadeel> i think ive lerant my lesson
[02:49:59] <Vekter> Alright, I'll make you a deal.
[02:50:10] <Manadeel> ?
[02:50:15] <Vekter> If you can get an admin from whatever server you've been playing on to vouch for you in your appeal thread, I'll unban you on probation.
[02:50:19] <Vekter> You have a week.
[02:50:24] <Manadeel> wtf lol
[02:50:29] <Manadeel> i dont play on one server
[02:50:36] <Manadeel> i play on multiple ones
[02:50:52] <Manadeel> cant you just put me on probation?
[02:51:08] <Vekter> No, because that didn't work last time.
[02:51:17] <Manadeel> well this time permaban me forever
[02:51:20] <Manadeel> and never accept my appeals
[02:51:53] * Xerux (~[email protected]) parts #supportbus (Leaving)
[02:52:09] <Vekter> Or, I could just deny this one and let you go back to whatever servers you play on now. I don't think it's too much to ask you to get an endorsement.
[02:52:21] <Manadeel> ok then...
[02:53:38] <Manadeel> and once i get an admin to vouch for me
[02:53:40] <Manadeel> how does he tell you that?
[02:53:57] <Vekter> What servers do you play on?
[02:54:35] <Manadeel> well, a lot.
[02:54:42] <Manadeel> colonial marines, paradise,
[02:54:46] <Manadeel> yogstation
[02:54:50] <Vekter> Okay, paradise works.
[02:54:52] <Manadeel> archangel
[02:55:04] <Manadeel> i was an admin in colonial marines too
[02:55:04] <Manadeel> the old one
[02:55:04] <Vekter> Just adminhelp next time you're on explaining what's going on and ask someone to post in that thread.
[02:55:44] <Manadeel> i have 1 week?
[02:55:47] <Vekter> Yes.
[02:56:20] <Vekter> I'm actively being advised by another member of the admin staff to not let you back in, so be thankful I'm willing to take a reference.
[02:56:47] <Manadeel> can i ask which admin is that
[02:57:10] <Vekter> One of our database maintaners.
[02:57:16] <Manadeel> is it xsi
[02:57:34] <Manadeel> well ok then
[02:57:38] <Manadeel> i guess ill come back to u in a week
[02:59:45] <Vekter> Alright.

[callanrockslol]

I knew I remembered Manadeel from somewhere. This is from January 5th 2013.

OOC: Failcakes: manadeel's already gone forever

Then another in February.

OOC: Failcakes: manadeel resurfaced

[Vekter]

Okay, so here's what was discussed.

Barring any further objection, the key "Freshmaniscoolman" will be unbanned on terms of a 6 week super-probation. Any fuckup related to any of his past notes or any ban past 24 hours (this includes cumulative bans) will result in his being blacklisted from the community. I also want to include his actions on the forums, however I need headmin approval for that.

We've already agreed on these terms in IRC.

For the record, his notes:

Spoiler:

Notes for freshmaniscoolman: [+]
29-Oct-2012 | Banned - Revealing roundtype ~punchrockbeef [-]
04-Dec-2012 | Banned - Advert Spam ~euronumbers [-]
07-Dec-2012 | Perma brigged someone for minor/medium crimes. Toed the line with it. Has a bad attitude. ~giacomand [-]
23-Dec-2012 | Banned - Manadeel ~tle [-]
22-Dec-2013 | Unbanned with probation for, uh. At least a month or two. If he acts up at all, dunk without a second thought. ~hotelbravolima [-]
24-Dec-2013 | Banned from Captain, Head of Personnel, Head of Security, Chief Engineer, Research Director, Chief Medical Officer - Roundstart braindead as capn'. ~creationpro [-]
27-Dec-2013 | Banned for 0 minutes - Probation failed. Claims the AI was rogue for awful reasons, then lies his ass off in PMs. Hasn't changed since his last perma. ~creationpro [-]

Any other admin is permitted to place the permaban if need be.

You're unbanned. Don't make me regret this.