ITT: we whine

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat May 09, 2015 5:21 am #86853

Bottom post of the previous page:

I really wish Asimov wasn't automatically the default lawset. It should either be randomly chosen at roundstart, or the captain is told to pick one upon spawning. Fucking Asimov AIs always interfere when I burn traitors alive in the courtroom for all to see.

Septavius · Post by **Septavius** » Sat May 09, 2015 5:36 am #86855

Luke Cox wrote:I really wish Asimov wasn't automatically the default lawset. It should either be randomly chosen at roundstart, or the captain is told to pick one upon spawning. Fucking Asimov AIs always interfere when I burn traitors alive in the courtroom for all to see.

if antimov was in the random roundstart pool, i'd be okay with this,

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat May 09, 2015 5:42 am #86859

Luke Cox wrote:I really wish Asimov wasn't automatically the default lawset. It should either be randomly chosen at roundstart, or the captain is told to pick one upon spawning. Fucking Asimov AIs always interfere when I burn traitors alive in the courtroom for all to see.

Your idea is pretty cool, your reasoning is shit as curity can be.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat May 09, 2015 7:01 am #86871

DemonFiren wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:I really wish Asimov wasn't automatically the default lawset. It should either be randomly chosen at roundstart, or the captain is told to pick one upon spawning. Fucking Asimov AIs always interfere when I burn traitors alive in the courtroom for all to see.
Your idea is pretty cool, your reasoning is shit as curity can be.

I've always thought that leaving traitors in perma is retarded. You risk them escaping and they do nothing useful. My preferred course of action is to borg them after execution to avoid taking any unnecessary risks. Plus, who doesn't love a good show?

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sat May 09, 2015 7:05 am #86873

Septavius wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:I really wish Asimov wasn't automatically the default lawset. It should either be randomly chosen at roundstart, or the captain is told to pick one upon spawning. Fucking Asimov AIs always interfere when I burn traitors alive in the courtroom for all to see.
if antimov was in the random roundstart pool, i'd be okay with this,

welcome to ss13, maggot

now fight the ai or die

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat May 09, 2015 7:13 am #86875

Luke Cox wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:I really wish Asimov wasn't automatically the default lawset. It should either be randomly chosen at roundstart, or the captain is told to pick one upon spawning. Fucking Asimov AIs always interfere when I burn traitors alive in the courtroom for all to see.
Your idea is pretty cool, your reasoning is shit as curity can be.
I've always thought that leaving traitors in perma is retarded. You risk them escaping and they do nothing useful. My preferred course of action is to borg them after execution to avoid taking any unnecessary risks. Plus, who doesn't love a good show?

Half the purpose of perma is giving traitors another chance to fuck up the round, that is what they're for. Executions are for shitlers, forceborging is for changelings and traitors caught twice.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat May 09, 2015 7:34 am #86877

DemonFiren wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:I really wish Asimov wasn't automatically the default lawset. It should either be randomly chosen at roundstart, or the captain is told to pick one upon spawning. Fucking Asimov AIs always interfere when I burn traitors alive in the courtroom for all to see.
Your idea is pretty cool, your reasoning is shit as curity can be.
I've always thought that leaving traitors in perma is retarded. You risk them escaping and they do nothing useful. My preferred course of action is to borg them after execution to avoid taking any unnecessary risks. Plus, who doesn't love a good show?
Half the purpose of perma is giving traitors another chance to fuck up the round, that is what they're for. Executions are for shitlers, forceborging is for changelings and traitors caught twice.

I'll typically use perma for people who have committed serious crimes but for who I can't prove are murderers or enemies of the corporation. People who may be proven innocent later.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat May 09, 2015 8:18 am #86883

If I can't prove it all, I slap them for whatever they do get, then stick a tracking implant in.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat May 09, 2015 12:12 pm #86894

i never play roles where i have to execute people but if I had to I'd probably build an electric chair on the bridge or something so people can come watch.
else, perma.

oh and fyi making roundstart laws pick from asimov/corporate/paladin is super easy, all you have to do is toggle a config option (i know this because i implemented this myself, alongside a set of laws that can be easily configured by hosts)

im pretty salty at the borg stunning thing myself because i like playing borg.
a lot of seemingly unintentional borg nerfs seem to have slipped in. (aliens tackling borgs, carp knocking borgs down, etc)

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat May 09, 2015 9:04 pm #86945

DemonFiren wrote:If I can't prove it all, I slap them for whatever they do get, then stick a tracking implant in.

Same, if I can't actually prove they did anything serious.

Speaking of which, I hate the dipshits that break into sensitive areas for the lulz and waste my implants.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat May 09, 2015 11:13 pm #86964

That is the single reason I play Cargo: All the high-clearance shit that I want, but would need to break in for I can find in my department.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

Luke Cox wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:If I can't prove it all, I slap them for whatever they do get, then stick a tracking implant in.
Same, if I can't actually prove they did anything serious.

Speaking of which, I hate the dipshits that break into sensitive areas for the lulz and waste my implants.

Why would you waste a loyalty implant on griff lord McB&E?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun May 10, 2015 8:11 am #87024

Tracking, not loyalty.

Vekter · Post by **Vekter** » Mon May 11, 2015 9:17 am #87296

People throwing dead bodies over the kitchen counter, instead of just bringing them to my door in a locker/body bag. That shit is unsanitary, yo.

Botanists that grow nothing but dank. Especially the ones that won't share a few trays so I can at least be growing veggies.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon May 11, 2015 10:21 am #87302

That's what the pubic garden is for, Vekter.

Laharl Monthy · Mon May 11, 2015 1:16 pm

Alright, I don't do this often, but let's go. Admin gripes? Admin gripes.

- When I tell you that what happened to you is valid, it's fukken valid. I had recently someone who got robusted by a gangmember, that still ARGUED about it being non-valid despite the fact that the kill was perfectly valid. You're dead, and there's a perfect reason for it : traitors. And that won't be the last time eitheir.

- Arguing about a situation that was judged IC when it's not necessary. I can understand in some cases - yes, we're admins, we're also humans, we can miss details that are important to a certaint situation, and thus change decisions upon that. But not every ahelps need to end in a ban. No, I don't care that you're offended by my decision - the following events made the whole situation IC. Please keep civil, don't get agressive... Ho wait, no you are getting agressive. Seriously, what's with wanting to get people banned so much?

-At the same time, people who adminhelps, and then I realise that this whole time that they've been such shits they deserve everything they got. Bravo, you just wasted my time, and the time of the guys I went to question. This is probably the only thing in my admin career that makes me legitimatly angry - and if I see you pulling that shit multiple times, you can be sure I'm kicking your ass out of the servers.

- People who just whines. Whines, whines, whines, and then whines some more. I understand complaining a bit about some legitimate issues, but it gets tiring when I see the same faces whining and then WHINING SOME MORE. Especially when they're whining about whatever killed them. This gets to you when you're observing. At least, you have now multiple ways to get back into the round other than genetics, thanks to drones and posibrains, or the occasional Alien, blob, or spider.

I swear, this game saps the patience out of people.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon May 11, 2015 1:55 pm #87340

Laharl Monthy wrote:Seriously, what's with wanting to get people banned so much?

They got robusted and are looking for any petty way to get revenge.

Vekter · Post by **Vekter** » Mon May 11, 2015 4:13 pm #87360

DemonFiren wrote:That's what the pubic garden is for, Vekter.

I AM NOT WALKING ALL THE WAY TO ARRIVALS FOR TOMATOES, THERE ARE 15+ HYDRO TRAYS YOU CAN SPARE A COUPLE.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:32 pm #88095

On the same note:

- Chefs who bitch at botany to grow something that is already, clearly in the process of growing. PLANTS TAKE TIME TO GROW YOU ABSOLUTE SHITTER. Especially plants straight out of the seed vendor. I could waste a bunch of mutagen trying to improve the production stat but for people like that why bother?

- Chefs who request food items that require mutations, such as ghost chili or blood tomatoes, then act like it's the botanist's own deliberate fault when the species mutation produces something else.

- Botany coworkers who, in an attempt to be helpful, harvest plants I am actively trying to mutate before harvest to get certain stats (you can do that, you don't have to harvest right away). Bonus whine if they harvest them when the yield is currently 0. Double bonus whine if that is a plant that only germinates once.

- CHEMISTRY. Chemists who act shocked that botany might need large amounts of mutagen. Chemists who go out of their way to give botany < 90 units (it takes the same fucking amount of time you fuck) when they can clearly afford it. Chemists who think that the large beaker in botany's back room was stolen from them (this has actually happened).

- People who fucking eat all the plants in the public garden before I can make seeds of them you fat gluttonous fucks. Especially when it's useful shit like the starting-50-potency wheat. Especially at roundstart.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Thu May 14, 2015 8:45 pm #88187

bandit wrote: - People who fucking eat all the plants in the public garden before I can make seeds of them you fat gluttonous fucks. Especially when it's useful shit like the starting-50-potency wheat. Especially at roundstart.

A lot of people will feed the plants into the biogenerator to make a tool belt. I will admit that I have done this before.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 14, 2015 8:53 pm #88191

It's what I do if I'm not a QM and the primary storage toolbelt is already taken, yes.

I guess asking the botanists next time is a better idea.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu May 14, 2015 9:08 pm #88200

>Not ordering an engineering gear crate for belts, vests and hardhats

Step up your quartermaster game

whodaloo · Post by **whodaloo** » Thu May 14, 2015 9:33 pm #88203

Fucking box's roundstart distro is overpressurized, so you can't change the pipes around when the shift begins. You have to de-pressurize the dark blue pipes before you can make any sort of changes in maint. It's annoying as hell and a pretty recent change.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 14, 2015 11:05 pm #88227

Wyzack wrote:>Not ordering an engineering gear crate for belts, vests and hardhats

Step up your quartermaster game

Read my post again.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu May 14, 2015 11:15 pm #88230

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Fri May 15, 2015 2:26 am #88252

> Warden
> On brig, watching over dude in cell, listening to our resident "poor goat farmer" play the DF theme (If some dude's just chilling in the brig causing no trouble I usually let it be)
> Suddenly a fucking bomb goes off in the court room
> Hits me like a truck, in red, unconscious
> Get up
> Dude in cell is unconscious and in exposed area
> Fuck it
> Run in
> Grab him
> Start hauling him to escape
> As we pass by the kitchen he breaks from my hold, disarms me and throws some shit at me

Yeah you're welcome dick wad.

onleavedontatme · Fri May 15, 2015 3:50 am

Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Fri May 15, 2015 12:55 pm #88321

Kor wrote:Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.

oh yes quickchoking

so much fun

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Fri May 15, 2015 8:06 pm #88379

whodaloo wrote:Fucking box's roundstart distro is overpressurized, so you can't change the pipes around when the shift begins. You have to de-pressurize the dark blue pipes before you can make any sort of changes in maint. It's annoying as hell and a pretty recent change.

Blame MSO 4 fastmos

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Fri May 15, 2015 8:44 pm #88390

Kor wrote:Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.

What does this really apply to, besides gas storage being in the toxins mixing room and "advanced robusting techniques" like tabling, quickchoking, and throwing people into walls over and over until they died? People say this kind of thing a lot but most of the time it comes off like Smash tourney guys whining that they can't wavedash in Brawl

Fri May 15, 2015 11:49 pm

Cheridan wrote:"advanced robusting techniques" like tabling, quickchoking, and throwing people into walls over and over until they died

Fun fact: You can still do all of those things except quickchoking. You can still get a chokehold after tabling someone, but the delay before they go unconscious from oxyloss/crit is too long to be viable. However, if you have a table close enough to (or against) a wall you can just table -> throw into wall -> repeat.
Five throws puts the target into crit, each throw doing 20 brute.

i fixed it no bully

Venticular · Post by **Venticular** » Sat May 16, 2015 12:47 am #88441

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Cheridan wrote:"advanced robusting techniques" like tabling, quickchoking, and throwing people into walls over and over until they died
Fun fact: You can still do all of those things except quickchoking. You can still get a chokehold after tabling someone, but the delay before they go unconscious from oxyloss/crit is too long to be viable. However, if you have a table close enough to (or against) a wall you can just table -> throw into wall -> repeat.
Five throws puts the target into crit, each throw doing 20 brute.

Er, you may want to fix that quote. It is a bit broken.

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sat May 16, 2015 5:53 am #88473

hey guys

the next time someone bumps into you irl tell them to check their intent

you fucking cocksuckers, you tickleshits, you curs, you probably don't even get out of the house so just stop fucking saying it ingame, you're ruining my fucking immersion

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sat May 16, 2015 6:13 am #88474

"hey man can you turn on your magical ability to let other people phase through you so I can get by"

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Sat May 16, 2015 6:57 am #88475

Shaps wrote:"hey man can you turn on your magical ability to let other people phase through you so I can get by"

"Hey asshole, stop shoving"
Works for me.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat May 16, 2015 9:09 am #88482

I say, 'you should be more intent on helping others', or 'be more helpful' in short.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

I just stun them and walk over their face, laughing at their ";H-H-H-h-eeeeeelllp".

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Sat May 16, 2015 2:27 pm #88499

Xhuis wrote:
bandit wrote: - People who fucking eat all the plants in the public garden before I can make seeds of them you fat gluttonous fucks. Especially when it's useful shit like the starting-50-potency wheat. Especially at roundstart.
A lot of people will feed the plants into the biogenerator to make a tool belt. I will admit that I have done this before.

Next time you do this, leave the wheat and one watermelon. It'll still be enough for a belt while leaving botany the amazing what for the chef and the watermelons which are fantastic for biomass.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat May 16, 2015 3:23 pm #88501

Kor wrote:Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.

man yeah i sure loved being parapenned out of nowhere, that really was the unpredictability that made this game great.

E:
Or man, being parastung, dragged into maint and absorbed! those are moments I remember with glee, because they were so damn fun, right?

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sat May 16, 2015 5:30 pm #88511

DemonFiren wrote:I say, 'you should be more intent on helping others', or 'be more helpful' in short.

is this something you would say if someone kept colliding with you

i'm trying to perserve the glorious master immersion here people give me a hand

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:23 pm #88527

'if you don't be more helpful with your intent, I will disarmingly push you to the ground out of nowhere, grab you, table you, and then continuously harm you by punching you.'

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Sun May 17, 2015 12:25 am #88605

IcePacks wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:I say, 'you should be more intent on helping others', or 'be more helpful' in short.
is this something you would say if someone kept colliding with you

i'm trying to perserve the glorious master immersion here people give me a hand

do you say GLORF five seconds after anyone pushes you

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sun May 17, 2015 12:41 am #88611

Post by **PKPenguin321** » Sun May 17, 2015 3:58 am #88643

here's some whining i have

people who complain about immersion when it comes to things that it's hard to talk about ic without breaking immersion
and then when people propose alternatives that are less immersion-breaky they say "well u woodent say those things irl still wood u so M-MUH IM-MERSION-NS!"

like i get it, roleplay and all, but real life doesn't have an intent system with four buttons at all (you don't go to hug your qt3.14 and punch her in the mouth because you forgot to be helpful in real life) so sometimes we need to reflect that IC and break immersion a little bit because there isn't a way to approach it realistically as that situation will never occur in real life

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sun May 17, 2015 4:25 am #88650

how dare you counter my whining with whining

PKPenguin321 wrote:(you don't go to hug your qt3.14 and punch her in the mouth because you forgot to be helpful in real life)

yes.

onleavedontatme · Sun May 17, 2015 4:41 pm

Miauw wrote:
Kor wrote:Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.
man yeah i sure loved being parapenned out of nowhere, that really was the unpredictability that made this game great.

E:
Or man, being parastung, dragged into maint and absorbed! those are moments I remember with glee, because they were so damn fun, right?

Cheridan wrote:
Kor wrote:Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.
What does this really apply to, besides gas storage being in the toxins mixing room and "advanced robusting techniques" like tabling, quickchoking, and throwing people into walls over and over until they died? People say this kind of thing a lot but most of the time it comes off like Smash tourney guys whining that they can't wavedash in Brawl

Mostly map design, so many godamn R-walls and no fast way of dealing with them. Those "quality of life" upgrades for the AI/security.

I'm responsible for nerfing plenty of shit myself, so I'm part of the problem.

I miss being able to blow through a wall with an RCD (from the public lathe!) or spray acid in a mans face. There was a single unreinforced wall between you and the brig cells. The regular AI satellite is now a fortress with more security than all of Uterus station put together.

And yes I do miss ADVANCED ROBUST COMBAT like using water on floors or throwing out tables to block people. I also miss walking around naked in space drinking coffee.

Stuff like that. Nobody misses parapens (though I do miss silently putting C4 on people to fake GBS, even if it was awful)

mosquitoman · Post by **mosquitoman** » Sun May 17, 2015 6:38 pm #88730

those little shits who start making problems at the shuttle, running everywhere, randomly disarming/pushing people, breaking windows, helping the traitor pull his traitory stuff off, or just annoying people endlessly instead of sitting on the damn chair like any sane person, those people deserve to be beheaded

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun May 17, 2015 8:38 pm #88754

They will.

Once dismemberment is in.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sun May 17, 2015 9:01 pm #88761

When you voluntarily give someone the nuke codes, you can't complain when they use them. It irritates me when admins will give out the nuke code to the captain or something than get angry at him when he sets off the nuke.

Laharl Monthy · Mon May 18, 2015 8:30 am

Xhuis wrote:When you voluntarily give someone the nuke codes, you can't complain when they use them. It irritates me when admins will give out the nuke code to the captain or something than get angry at him when he sets off the nuke.

Now that's just silly.
When I give out the nuke code, I generally fully expect that the station has a chance to explode. Even when trouble is over. Nothing to get angry over, at least deadchat gets to play again.
Hell sometimes, when I feel that the real code isn't necessary (like when the clown somehow got hold of the main terminal), I give a false code, just to create a little panick. Because Honk.

Vekter · Post by **Vekter** » Mon May 18, 2015 8:44 am #88962

Xhuis wrote:When you voluntarily give someone the nuke codes, you can't complain when they use them. It irritates me when admins will give out the nuke code to the captain or something than get angry at him when he sets off the nuke.

>Blob pops
>LEVEL 5 BIO HAZARD ABROAD THE STATION
>request nuke codes

Every. Fucking. Time.