Hydrogen bombs dilemma.

[Ezel]

Ok so hydrogen bombs are spicy maxcaps, scientists get water vapour canisters to make bombs effortless (takes even less effort then tritium while one side is a code issue(them just being able to order water vapour canister for free from their departmental console.) the other isn't. Its a very common tactic to speedrun or bust into the janitors closet whenever appliciable for their water vapour canister to make bombs you are breaking into one department to steal their job content for your own amusement and i think its something that should be cracked down on harder.

We also use these bombs to deal with common threats, bombing them to tbe orbit calling it a day which is kinda also very unhealthy for the game (especially if its a non round ending threat like space dragons(not even on their last portal)

Due anonaly core refining bombs appears way too much now, and this is definitly proven how they are used aswell against certain situations.

Tl;DR bombs are a unfun way of handling with threats and it will make the gameplay loop of certain antags that always get this treatment dull.

TL;DR People should stop speedrunning their way into departments and stealing the job content from them like with the janitors water vapour canister

I like to propose on both sides policy wise
1. Bombing antags in high traffic areas(hallways medbay etc) should be cracked harder upon even if its war ops 10 crewmembers for 1 nukie isn't a worthy trade, neither is just a nukie but medbay is a hole.
2. Crack down on players harder who speedrun their way into departments to steal their job content from them for your cheesy/lazy tactics

[TheLoLSwat]

this is a good post but idk what policy is actually being suggested. Is this a request for rex/ian/striders to tell admins to tighten up enforcement? I think admin enforcement being lacking is already an issue that they are looking at but ofc i could just be yapping.

[NoxVS]

1. Bombing antags in high traffic areas(hallways medbay etc) should be cracked harder upon even if its war ops 10 crewmembers for 1 nukie isn't a worthy trade, neither is just a nukie but medbay is a hole.

Already sort of policy, if this isn't being enforced then make an admin complaint.

Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction is acceptable if the target antagonist is an overwhelming force and is on the verge of defeating the station, such as Nuclear Operatives, Cult, etc.

In addition:

Admins have intervened before and will do so again in situations where a player, regardless of antag status, has habitually used the same strategies to cause mass death or destruction (i.e. bombs, hyper-optimized viruses, etc.) to the detriment of the rest of the server's experience

For the other part I'd personally like if it you at least asked the janitor for their canister as opposed to silently breaking in and yoinking it every round, but I'm MRP brained and I'm sure there are those who would consider such a suggestion an unacceptable violation of their rights.

Anyways, while we're here, can someone PM me the steps for the hydrogen bombs? All I know is hot plasma cold oxygen and when an actual toxins player walked in and saw it I could see the disappointment in their eyes.

[Projectzomboidfan]

Pm me too, how are hydrogen bombs made?

[iain0]

I was going to write a personal take, but Nox has nailed it all, non antag bombs with collatoral damage can/should get admin action, imminent round loss with no other resolutions in sight can mitigate some of this but it better have a good necessary IC reason, and attempts to opportunistically play into bombing as a non antag are likely to fail context checks.

I'd prefer the Janitor be asked even on LRP but thats probably not going to happen in most cases. Non antags stealing it can be ahelped if the janitor cares (what's it even for other than griefing hallways).

If bombing becomes an excessive meta we can (and have with other metas) intervene, a good other example was the recent 5 minute singularity rounds that became too regular, I think they're a waste of a round and while I'd overlook the odd one for the variety of the experience I would intervene (and perhaps did just through expressing my views informally) if their regularity hadn't dropped off.


Any gaps you feel need addressing?