(Discord) Pickleplants11

[Longestarmlonglaw]

Ban reason: 1b: Do not communicate in bad faith. This includes making assumptions about people's intentions or positions.
Discord username: Pickleplants11
Time ban was placed: 17/12/2024
Banning admin: Hulkmania
Your side of the story: Hulkmania made a support ticket and posted 2 screenshots with 2 sections, 1 section of me saying ways of the "ligger game" where i was thinking of strategies to survive as long as possible while saying ligger ingame, one of my more notable strategies that i remember was barricading one's self in the supermatter engine, and also saying how that you should NOT kill the person saying it, but rather the people attacking them to get more kills, same goes for talking mimes And another where i was trying to get some discussion/debate going with things like "what's wrong with getting borged as command?" with one of my arguments suggesting that a CMO becoming a mediborg to gain free surgical tools would not be abandoning their job. According to hulk, i would be trying to provoke a fight. I will admit, i did a somewhat poor job at defending myself in the help ticket, so this one's on me. But they seem to be taking the accusation of the help ticket opened against me at face value, which did not help my case about the poor defense on my end.
Hulk also said something about me getting told off before by another discord jannie, which is... what? The only time i remember i have ever been told to knock it off by a discord jannie was with thebiblemelts, but i was like "Oh, you must be referring to them, don't worry, we agreed to move on from it." buuttt... Hulk said that it was not moved on from? I think they may or may not be mistaking the person reporting me, as another jannie. I have had no warnings, apart from ancient ban that i recently got unbanned from (1 month since)
Why you think you should be unbanned:

Normally, i would say something about appealing this 6 months later, but i genuinely believe there was a mistake/misinterpretation and i feel like some further investigation/talking is needed. Once again, i ask for hulk to present the screenshots/ticket to help with my appeal so i can address each message individually to refute. I also think that hulk did not read through the context, they just saw through the history, and classified it as a bad thing. It is very easy for something to seem rulebreaking, but once you look at the context such as the other messages, it becomes clear it is innocent.

Also, i have a load of ordnance knowledge, and i've been teaching it to others like steel_superior, I CANNOT ALLOW MY KNOWLEDGE TO BE TAKEN TO THE GRAVE!!!!!

[Hulkamania]

In regards to the whole "discord jannie" I can confirm they were in fact another mod because we.. talked about it in the mod channel. The other mods also didn't have anything nice to really say about you. I can't share every sordid detail about the person who reported you because they did so in the first place because they felt people were intentionally going out of their way to annoy and/or harass them, and I saw some evidence that these accusations aren't unfounded.

So at the end of the day a lot of this was based on things you couldn't see or have access to, but I did review some of your overall posts in the discord at large and they definitely seemed to err on the side of "not that constructive to discussions"

Is that me making a character judgment call with an entirely subjective opinion? Yeah. That's my job though.

Other janitors in the backrooms discussions we had essentially told me "yeah they've been a problem in the past so you should just ban them" and I was inclined to agree.

I could probably be convinced to not make this a "appeal in a years time" type ban, but I don't feel that it was particularly poorly placed.

[Longestarmlonglaw]

During the ticket, you sent 2 screenshots, Im pretty sure you didn't review the proper context of them so i'll fill them in to prove that they are "constructive."
What seems rulebreaking isolated as a singular mesage can actually turn out to be normal if you read the surrounding messages to prove it.
Share me the 2 screenshots and i'll provide the full story + the logic behind them to "prove" as constructive.

Alos wtf do you mean by "Not that constructive to discussions"? Standards for the discord are already fairly low. I don't believe i have disrupted anyone in discord. What discussions? I've really only been active in the "sillier' channels like the general chat. This would make sense in a more 'serious' channel like the drink more water containment
. And im pretty sure the other jannies referring to the "problem in the past" was my recent unbanning for something that most other jannies wont care too much about as it was a considerable time ago and almost all memory of it faded.

Apart from that, i have a relatively clean discord history with no formal warnings apart from this, and the other ban.

Im assuming you took the screenshots from the person who reported me, and did not make them yourself, meaning that you likely didn't review them properly. Disprove/approve this statement.

The total lack of tone indicators also can make something that's already normal suddenly turn into rulebreaking

Sample text
Jannie: Based, funny, good. This is a-okay
Sample text reported
Now all of a sudden it's rule breaking due to discord lack of tone indicators making this grey area

[Hulkamania]

You keep referencing other jannies not taking this as a big deal but as I said, all of the people I spoke with in the mod chat didn't have nice things to say, and this was mostly an issue surrounding a player who felt there was a level of targeted harassment. This ban was placed based on those recommendations more than on any one specific instance and the arguments were significant enough that I was willing to hear them out.

As an aside, saying you have a clean discord history "apart from the other ban" isn't exactly helping your case as a ban carries more weight than a formal warning.

I'm not entirely in disagreement that some of your behavior isn't all that bad in a vacuum which is why at this point I'll say you can appeal this ban again in 3 months and I'll be lifting it then if there's nothing further that comes up, other than that I have not much more to add.

[Longestarmlonglaw]

I'll accept this, and appeal in 4 months time.

[Longestarmlonglaw]

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