Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?

[Jamarkus]

With the addition of the black-out drunkard Split personality, I wanted to know what draws the line of committing suicide as a split personality. I understand trying to keep your Host alive, but with Black-out Drunkard usually leaving you alive for about 30 seconds before you hit crit due to alcohol poisoning and liver failure, then about 1-2 minutes later hard-crit, is is fair to succumb in these situations? alone or with people around to revive you. I myself ran into a situation where it was bickering back and forth on whether succumbing as a split is suicide. The ruling is vague, and we haven't determined if succumbing is considered actively killing ones self, or if committing suicide meant the MECHANICAL suicide that RR's you.

SO! where does succumbing stand? suicide, or just giving in to already dying. and can a split personality be allowed to succumb?

[DrAmazing343]

I believe part of the policy.json/flavor text says something along the lines of not endangering the body. Succumbing is not mechanical suicide, so it’s not the worst thing you could do, but if medical help is on the way it’s a dick move to the original owner of the body.

I would try and make sure you don’t succumb when taking a drunk blacking out personality

[dendydoom]

i agree with the above and honestly my personal ideal solution to this would be to remove the ability to succumb if you're not the original inhabitant of the body via code, if there is no good situation where it would be valid to do so.

[Vekter]

These are both fine, probably better to solve the problem via code but I'm okay just saying "don't succumb if you're in someone else's body".

[Jamarkus]

I wanted to respond and try and play devils advocate, but honestly, if the plans to put in the "dont succumb while in someone elses body" rule, then I dont have any more complaints.

[Timberpoes]

The policy is actually set in code:

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... ty.dm#L167

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/mob/living/split_personality/Login()
	. = ..()
	if(!. || !client)
		return FALSE
	to_chat(src, span_notice("As a split personality, you cannot do anything but observe. However, you will eventually gain control of your body, switching places with the current personality."))
	to_chat(src, span_warning("<b>Do not commit suicide or put the body in a deadly position. Behave like you care about it as much as the owner.</b>"))

Although it's fairly self-explanatory, there's not much we can really do policy-side in the respect that I'm not sure creating a whole-ass policy.json entry just to prepend some form of "In addition to the below, please don't succumb even though the code lets you" is wholly necessary?

[Jamarkus]

Although it's fairly self-explanatory, there's not much we can really do policy-side in the respect that I'm not sure creating a whole-ass policy.json entry just to prepend some form of "In addition to the below, please don't succumb even though the code lets you" is wholly necessary?

I do know that im not the only person that initially didnt see any issue with succumbing while in crit as a split personality and im sure im not the only one that has succumbed in these cases either. Id have to get actual reports from players if they do or do not succumb, but something tells me that I wouldnt be surprised if players didnt know that succumbing is suicide or putting the body in a deadly position.

Spoiler:

No im not calling the playerbase retarded for possibly misinterpreting the policy line, but im used to people not thinking beyond what exactly a line says. I blame my line of work :(

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I can't see how you read "don't kill yourself or put yourself into a situation where death is likely" as permitting it honestly.

[Vekter]

I can't see how you read "don't kill yourself or put yourself into a situation where death is likely" as permitting it honestly.

"Reply PM from RandomShitter/(Stunlocker Weldspace): Well TECHNICALLY that's not committing suicide, I was already dying."

[NecromancerAnne]

Easy response; ghostrole ban them for being a dumbass.

[GamerAndYeahMick]

Seems resolved.