Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
- Jamarkus
- Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:58 pm
- Byond Username: Jamarkus
- Location: leaf
- Pronouns: Pronoun/Noobnoun
Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
With the addition of the black-out drunkard Split personality, I wanted to know what draws the line of committing suicide as a split personality. I understand trying to keep your Host alive, but with Black-out Drunkard usually leaving you alive for about 30 seconds before you hit crit due to alcohol poisoning and liver failure, then about 1-2 minutes later hard-crit, is is fair to succumb in these situations? alone or with people around to revive you. I myself ran into a situation where it was bickering back and forth on whether succumbing as a split is suicide. The ruling is vague, and we haven't determined if succumbing is considered actively killing ones self, or if committing suicide meant the MECHANICAL suicide that RR's you.
SO! where does succumbing stand? suicide, or just giving in to already dying. and can a split personality be allowed to succumb?
SO! where does succumbing stand? suicide, or just giving in to already dying. and can a split personality be allowed to succumb?
- DrAmazing343
- In-Game Game Master
- Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:06 pm
- Byond Username: DrAmazing343
- Location: right here :3
- Pronouns: sher
- Contact:
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
I believe part of the policy.json/flavor text says something along the lines of not endangering the body. Succumbing is not mechanical suicide, so it’s not the worst thing you could do, but if medical help is on the way it’s a dick move to the original owner of the body.
I would try and make sure you don’t succumb when taking a drunk blacking out personality
I would try and make sure you don’t succumb when taking a drunk blacking out personality
- dendydoom
- Site Admin
- Joined: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:40 am
- Byond Username: Dendydoom
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
i agree with the above and honestly my personal ideal solution to this would be to remove the ability to succumb if you're not the original inhabitant of the body via code, if there is no good situation where it would be valid to do so.
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
MatrixOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
MothNyan wrote:Dendy's walls of text are always worth reading
- Vekter
- In-Game Admin
- Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:25 pm
- Byond Username: Vekter
- Location: Fucking around with the engine.
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
These are both fine, probably better to solve the problem via code but I'm okay just saying "don't succumb if you're in someone else's body".
- Jamarkus
- Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:58 pm
- Byond Username: Jamarkus
- Location: leaf
- Pronouns: Pronoun/Noobnoun
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
I wanted to respond and try and play devils advocate, but honestly, if the plans to put in the "dont succumb while in someone elses body" rule, then I dont have any more complaints.
- Timberpoes
- Site Admin
- Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:54 pm
- Byond Username: Timberpoes
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
The policy is actually set in code:
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... ty.dm#L167
Although it's fairly self-explanatory, there's not much we can really do policy-side in the respect that I'm not sure creating a whole-ass policy.json entry just to prepend some form of "In addition to the below, please don't succumb even though the code lets you" is wholly necessary?
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... ty.dm#L167
Code: Select all
/mob/living/split_personality/Login()
. = ..()
if(!. || !client)
return FALSE
to_chat(src, span_notice("As a split personality, you cannot do anything but observe. However, you will eventually gain control of your body, switching places with the current personality."))
to_chat(src, span_warning("<b>Do not commit suicide or put the body in a deadly position. Behave like you care about it as much as the owner.</b>"))
/tg/station Codebase Maintainer
/tg/station Game Master/Discord Jannie/Forum Admin: Feed me back in my thread.
/tg/station Admin Trainer: Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
Feb 2022-Sep 2022 Host Vote Headmin
Mar 2023-Sep 2023 Admin Vote Headmin
Sep 2024-April 2025 Player and Admin Vote Headmin
/tg/station Game Master/Discord Jannie/Forum Admin: Feed me back in my thread.
/tg/station Admin Trainer: Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
Feb 2022-Sep 2022 Host Vote Headmin
Mar 2023-Sep 2023 Admin Vote Headmin
Sep 2024-April 2025 Player and Admin Vote Headmin
- Jamarkus
- Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:58 pm
- Byond Username: Jamarkus
- Location: leaf
- Pronouns: Pronoun/Noobnoun
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
I do know that im not the only person that initially didnt see any issue with succumbing while in crit as a split personality and im sure im not the only one that has succumbed in these cases either. Id have to get actual reports from players if they do or do not succumb, but something tells me that I wouldnt be surprised if players didnt know that succumbing is suicide or putting the body in a deadly position.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:25 am Although it's fairly self-explanatory, there's not much we can really do policy-side in the respect that I'm not sure creating a whole-ass policy.json entry just to prepend some form of "In addition to the below, please don't succumb even though the code lets you" is wholly necessary?
Spoiler:
- Not-Dorsidarf
- Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:14 pm
- Byond Username: Dorsidwarf
- Location: We're all going on an, admin holiday
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
I can't see how you read "don't kill yourself or put yourself into a situation where death is likely" as permitting it honestly.


kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.![]()
- Vekter
- In-Game Admin
- Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:25 pm
- Byond Username: Vekter
- Location: Fucking around with the engine.
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
"Reply PM from RandomShitter/(Stunlocker Weldspace): Well TECHNICALLY that's not committing suicide, I was already dying."Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:10 pm I can't see how you read "don't kill yourself or put yourself into a situation where death is likely" as permitting it honestly.
- NecromancerAnne
- Code Maintainer
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:55 pm
- Byond Username: NecromancerAnne
- Location: Don't touch me, motherfucker...
- Pronouns: She/Her
Re: Is succumbing as a split personality suicide?
Easy response; ghostrole ban them for being a dumbass.
- GamerAndYeahMick
- In-Game Game Master
- Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:17 pm
- Byond Username: GamerAndYeahMick
- Location: Quahog
- Pronouns: Peter/Griffin
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users