[DISCORD] Intern John

[InternJohn]

Discord username: themightyaltroll#9069

Banning admin: Gwyn

Ban reason:

Time ban was placed: Couple days ago.

Your side of the story:

Didn't start the argument, saw some people jumping on a man in a fashion almost inquisitorial. I merely stated that I too have Brazilian friends that dislike the encroachment of western social politics, and that it's just due to a difference of culture.

This offended people into attacking me because "it's not politics!". I established a point that I am entirely neutral and I simply do not like people throwing hate around, which people then responded by throwing hate around and calling for bans.

This is the 'concerning' message in question, that is apparently highly controversial and political. I don't have any other logs because I'd have to ask people to screenshot them and I'm not going to inconvenience anyone else over this.



The argument raged on between several people, and when the admins stepped in to stop it I complied, yet Gwyn singled me out.

As this is the second time I have been banned for what I can only describe as wrongful and personal-bias fueled reasons. The first time I was banned was because Gwyn ban-baited me into trying to get me to reveal some arbitrary morality about something which happened thousands of years ago, which I was uncomfortable with doing. I made a massive appeal which I'm not going to do again, having to explain why I don't believe history should be viewed upon with a modern day moral lens filter. I love history, and I'm quite possibly the most agreeable person you will ever meet, I do not judge people based upon anything other than their actions.

That is not enough for Gwyn, and I suspect that they were looking for any possible excuse to ban me, and I am very upset about it. I took the first ban on the chin, and did not form complaint or make anything further about it, accepting a pol-con ban because the place is a cesspit echo chamber. I am confident most people who view the logs of what happened in this case will agree that this ban is undeserved. I am not a man of hate, stubborn perhaps, autistic sure, but clearly I don't hate the right people, or love the right people, and as a result I am a 'concerning' individual. I did not drag politics into general I simply defended a person and talked, then had to defend myself against a person who demanded everyone who disagreed with them be banned.

I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused anyone, it is not my intention to cause drama and I'm personally quite sick of the process.

[Gwyn]

I think the accusation of personal bias I have against you is based on a misunderstanding. Multiple people received warnings because of that conversation, and I discussed you and your history with the other discord moderators online at the time before taking action. You were not singled out. The reason you received a ban instead of a warning is that you've already been warned several times:



After you were polcon banned I gave you yet another warning not to bring politics into the general channels, and you continued doing so. What is missing from your appeal is the context that you were defending the following person from derision after the following posts.









And the comments you made during that argument were far from just the one screenshot you provided.











Accusing one group of being politically inquisitorial and shoving things down your throat while claiming the neutral ground is absolutely engaging in a political argument. You've been banned from polcon in the past not because you brought up a historical genocide, but because you brought up a historical genocide in the middle of people discussing an ongoing one in the way you did, as can be seen in the previous ban appeal. I gave you another warning after that ban because you violated it. Now you've repeatedly violated it, and I've escalated to a discord ban because of this. You can message me or post here in the ban appeals forum to have it lifted in 3 months.

[InternJohn]

Yes I have a 'history' and a polcon ban because YOU ban baited it out of me. It was historically relevant to the discussion we were having, and I was not trying to have any sort of moral injection into it, simply providing information for people to do what they will with. Ultimately this stems from that very first ban in which you took your own personal stance against me and baited me into said ban by demanding I give you an ultimatum answer. Polcon is literally known as banbait central because you make it that way.

YOU forced me into that trap, and since then every time I merely talk about something tangential for a short time, because TG is on fire, I get singled out because of a history with YOU. Because YOU are targeting me over it.

And I'm not the only one who has received this treatment, what is the point of having a polcon if anyone who says anything you THINK is wrong gets hit with a permaban.



And yes, I was defending that man because of the way other people were suddenly treating him. When he said he was from Brazil I 100% understood because I have a few friends from Brazil who have the same misgivings. I'm not defending his stance, I'm defending his ability to say it without being burned at the stake. Something you should be doing.

[Omega_DarkPotato]

For context, I gave moocow their politics containment ban for violating rule 1B: Do not communicate in bad faith. They, at the end of a very long chain of messages, stated that they were, effectively, baiting. It was not a "wrongthink" ban, and then they chose to leave the server on their own accord after that.

[Gwyn]

People did get warned over being too vitriolic towards the person in question. You still broke the rules after being warned multiple times. This is turning more into personal accusations than discussing the merit of the ban. I'd ask the headmins handle it from here.

[InternJohn]

For context, I gave moocow their politics containment ban for violating rule 1B: Do not communicate in bad faith. They, at the end of a very long chain of messages, stated that they were, effectively, baiting. It was not a "wrongthink" ban, and then they chose to leave the server on their own accord after that.

Couldn't say without context, I'm just aware that a number of people have been baited into bans (thus the infamy). Whether Moocow's was justified or not, I can't say, so I will retract that part of my statement. I apologize.

People did get warned over being too vitriolic towards the person in question. You still broke the rules after being warned multiple times. This is turning more into personal accusations than discussing the merit of the ban. I'd ask the headmins handle it from here.

If this was the case then it is a better situation than I thought it was. I'm still very much so annoyed with the initial ban I received ultimately leading to this ban, and I still do feel like it was personally motivated originally. Though I suppose it makes me less angry knowing that absolutely everyone involved got a warning and my banning this time was just a cold number tick up in my warning slots. However therein lies the issue of my warning ticks.

I will admit it is hard not for me to respond when things hit the fan and people start jumping down other people's throats, and that is why I had the first polcon outside of polcon warning. It may be hard for you to read from my statements but I was attempting to be diplomatic at first and then things got out of control over what I assumed were innocuous and agreeable statements.

As for the 'car hitting person' video, I admit my mistake in posting that. I didn't initially think that the video of the thief getting hit by a bunch of people would have been against the rules as it didn't have gore and the person didn't die. Upon reflection it was definitely too extreme for the discord and I agree.

Also if I may ask, when did I receive those first two warnings?

[GamerAndYeahMick]

I, Burgerman/GamerAndYeahMick, was personally in the chat and saw the context around why you got banned this time, and the context outside of this scenario as to why you got banned this time all adds up, 3 months is not that long and you are still free to play the game so we have no interest in over-turning this ban.

[InternJohn]

I, Burgerman/GamerAndYeahMick, was personally in the chat and saw the context around why you got banned this time, and the context outside of this scenario as to why you got banned this time all adds up, 3 months is not that long and you are still free to play the game so we have no interest in over-turning this ban.

Fine. I'll accept it.

However I do believe you have an issue with discord mods and the polcon chat. I have just spoken to Moocow for his side as to what occurred, and it is not quite as Omega has said according to him.

[GamerAndYeahMick]

I, Burgerman/GamerAndYeahMick, was personally in the chat and saw the context around why you got banned this time, and the context outside of this scenario as to why you got banned this time all adds up, 3 months is not that long and you are still free to play the game so we have no interest in over-turning this ban.

Fine. I'll accept it.

However I do believe you have an issue with discord mods and the polcon chat. I have just spoken to Moocow for his side as to what occurred, and it is not quite as Omega has said according to him.

If you have anything of substance please feel free to compile and provide evidence in the format of an admin complaint, as for this ban I don't think it's the right place to hash it out and it seems resolved now, going to lock and move.