[COMPLAINT] [<Icy5>] Iansdoor

[iansdoor]

BYOND account: iansdoor
Character name: Deekin Scale
Admin in question: Icy5
When did it take place: 9:04pm CTU 9/14/2024
Round ID in which ban was placed: 30186 and the round before this 30185?
Evidence:

DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "LOL"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "because he's a fucking 39 year old sad sack of shit who lives with his elderly mother"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "i mean look at his name man"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz asks, "hm?"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz asks, "lol?"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "sorry, but no offense, i'm not going to listen to the guy named "family-guy-fan" when it comes to shitting on people who defended pedophiles"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "lol"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz asks, "then why are you interjecting yourself into someone else's conversation?"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz asks, "if you dont know?"
DEAD: Primordial Drone (Ve-X) says, "no victor. its not very funny"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz asks, "no one said it was funny?"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "why do i have to listen to you"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "LOL"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "literal twitter behavior"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "bro"
DEAD: Victor Schwartz says, "i'm pretty sure these two are new players"

zheak.txt

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Your side of the story: Alright, I learned that Victor is Icy5? from Zheak. A conservation about Dox and calling forgotten person a pedo, doesn't feel right to bring up in the silly DM spess game. I don't know what to say more other than please, guide new players and not be the space asshole to them.

[vendingmachine]

my brother in christ thats not icy

[Texicos]

Zheak is Victor Schwartz sir.

[AGasCanister]

Evening,

I am aware of your current position... a TG Admin? I am sorry to hear that I hope you recover fully from this unfortunate chain of events,
but I am forced to inform you that Icy is not Zheak.

Zheak is Victor Schwartz
Icy is Denholm Parkinson

I hope you will learn from this small lack of information and that you got the needed context.

Regards,
A Gas Canister

[Zheak]

Hello, I am not Icy5, as I told you when you asked: "wait your zheak?" I confirmed it with you that I was, infact, Zheak and confirmed who Icy5 was playing as you replied with "no shit" and commented that you would "edit" your post.

I am not an Admin nor have I claimed to be one, so I think you meant to make a player report rather than an Admin report.

[iansdoor]

Hello, I am not Icy5, as I told you when you asked: "wait your zheak?" I confirmed it with you that I was, infact, Zheak and confirmed who Icy5 was playing as you replied with "no shit" and commented that you would "edit" your post.

I am not an Admin nor have I claimed to be one, so I think you meant to make a player report rather than an Admin report.

You have told me in dchat in round 30186, telling me that you can see when account creation in regards to someone that has played 10 years. Something along the lines of "I am a mentor." Is a mentor someone that has the admin abilities minus the banning panel? You very much said viktor were icy5, which is a big issue here.

[vendingmachine]

You very much said viktor were icy5, which is a big issue here.

read through logs, no he didnt!!!

[Zheak]

Hello, I am not Icy5, as I told you when you asked: "wait your zheak?" I confirmed it with you that I was, infact, Zheak and confirmed who Icy5 was playing as you replied with "no shit" and commented that you would "edit" your post.

I am not an Admin nor have I claimed to be one, so I think you meant to make a player report rather than an Admin report.

You have told me in dchat in round 30186, telling me that you can see when account creation in regards to someone that has played 10 years. Something along the lines of "I am a mentor." Is a mentor someone that has the admin abilities minus the banning panel? You very much said viktor were icy5, which is a big issue here.

This seems fairly unprofessional that you are incapable of using the right names constantly in regards to an official complaint as an admin from TG, I never implied I could see any sort of account creation date as a Mentor, only that "I'm a mentor, it's normal for me to check" if I, myself, personally believe someone to be intentionally playing me a fool in mhelps, claiming they are an old player not just on BYOND, but on TGMC yet acts like someone who has never touched the game before, constantly making hateful comments in-game and in OOC to myself and others for public information such as account creation date.

I would like to point out that you left out other contextual information such as when you and the other player (Makhnovtsi) were insulting both myself and Icy5 as if we talked about you or something close to you, we merely conversed on how Icy5 had been banned (again) for something he said years ago, with the offending Admin for that server breaking their own rules by informing a player of a ckey ban in a PM In-Game despite having already appealed their ban prior.

If you are friends with said Admin and felt offended on his behalf, then I'd suggest remaining calm and well-mannered when engaging in someone else's conversation rather than coming out swinging; telling other players how they behave on a server you hold no sway on and become upset when I asked: "why should I listen to you" to which you responded: "are you serious?".

It should not be so outlandish that I might check a player's creation date to get a grasp on how well they know the game or the server to better help them adjust to the game, so I am unsure of what the problem is with me checking his account date.

[iansdoor]

You very much said viktor were icy5, which is a big issue here.

read through logs, no he didnt!!!

I do not have the full logs. this is only up to 9:13pm for me. Perhaps an admin may parsed logs to show more of the conversation that lead to past that date of time. Regardless, no. This is breaking admin conduct since Zheak mentioned information outside of what he should be doing.

[iansdoor]

It should not be so outlandish that I might check a player's creation date to get a grasp on how well they know the game or the server to better help them adjust to the game, so I am unsure of what the problem is with me checking his account date.

Thank you for admitting that you did check and mention in ooc and dchat.

[vendingmachine]

You very much said viktor were icy5, which is a big issue here.

read through logs, no he didnt!!!

Regardless, no. This is breaking admin conduct since Zheak mentioned information outside of what he should be doing.

assuming this "information outside what he should be doing" is him saying the age of the account, thats public!!! this isn't private information!! your account was made Aug 13 2020!! 4 year old account!! idk what else you could be talking about!
also he's still not admin

[Zheak]

You very much said viktor were icy5, which is a big issue here.

read through logs, no he didnt!!!

I do not have the full logs. this is only up to 9:13pm for me. Perhaps an admin may parsed logs to show more of the conversation that lead to past that date of time. Regardless, no. This is breaking admin conduct since Zheak mentioned information outside of what he should be doing.

I must inform you once again that I am NOT AN ADMIN nor have I ever implied to be one.

[Henriquekill9576]

See the reply to the other complaint in regards to the dchat convo in 30183.

You have told me in dchat in round 30186, telling me that you can see when account creation in regards to someone that has played 10 years. Something along the lines of "I am a mentor." Is a mentor someone that has the admin abilities minus the banning panel? You very much said viktor were icy5, which is a big issue here.

Regarding the account age, that information is public and can be viewed by anyone through the byond website as you can see here with this random guy I clicked on: https://gyazo.com/3bd6f3c9405405812e1f98241e4714af

And no, at no point did anyone say that icy was victor, here's the dchat logs of that interaction:

[2024-09-15 02:47:52.161] GAME-SAY: Iansdoor/(Deekin Scale) (DEAD) "are you zheak?" (CMB - Sentinel Outpost - Office (134, 67, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:47:52.966] GAME-SAY: Makhnovtsi/(Young Baneling (Peter)) (DEAD) "like a fucking STALKER" (Space (107, 247, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:47:54.212] GAME-SAY: Makhnovtsi/(Young Baneling (Peter)) (DEAD) "WEIRDO" (Space (107, 247, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:47:54.528] GAME-SAY: Zheak/(Victor Schwartz) (DEAD) "yes?" (CMB - Sentinel Outpost - Maintenance - South (125, 68, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:47:55.317] GAME-SAY: Makhnovtsi/(Young Baneling (Peter)) (DEAD) "KEKEKEKEKE" (Space (107, 247, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:48:04.687] GAME-SAY: Iansdoor/(Deekin Scale) (DEAD) "oh, who is imprevious?" (CMB - Sentinel Outpost - Office (134, 67, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:48:06.734] GAME-SAY: Zheak/(Victor Schwartz) (DEAD) "i didnt look up your ckey though" (CMB - Sentinel Outpost - Maintenance - South (125, 68, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:48:07.599] GAME-SAY: Zheak/(Victor Schwartz) (DEAD) "icy" (CMB - Sentinel Outpost - Maintenance - South (125, 68, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:48:10.960] GAME-SAY: Iansdoor/(Deekin Scale) (DEAD) "no shit" (CMB - Sentinel Outpost - Office (134, 67, 2))
[2024-09-15 02:48:21.147] GAME-SAY: Zheak/(Victor Schwartz) (DEAD) "" (CMB - Sentinel Outpost - Maintenance - South (125, 68, 2))

You asked if he was zheak, he said yes, you then asked who was imperious, he replied with icy.

I do not have the full logs. this is only up to 9:13pm for me. Perhaps an admin may parsed logs to show more of the conversation that lead to past that date of time. Regardless, no. This is breaking admin conduct since Zheak mentioned information outside of what he should be doing.

This is true, but not for the account age reason, see the reply to the other complaint for more info on this, for now, going to close this one since once again, icy is not victor.