[Bmon] grungussuss - Metagaming

[grungussuss]

Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(X) - Server Ban
() - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban

Ban/note length: Permanent
Ban/note reason: Rule 2 Metagaming - Livestreamed a round of nukeops in a private discord server.
Time ban was placed: 2024-07-18 23:55:28
Server you were playing on when banned: banned while offline, incident on Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: banned while offline, incident on round 230711

Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
() - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
(X) - I was permabanned and I want another chance

Why should this appeal be accepted?:

I was banned as a result of an investigation 1 month later after the incident:

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=36409



I streamed a round of /tg/station in a metacord for 10 minutes thinking it was allowed if the other players weren't participating in the round, after being told it's not allowed I stopped the stream.
Please see via the logs and take note that none of the players from the metacord ever joined the round itself, the metacord is moderated by an admin so this should be possible.
I sincerely apologize for breaking the rules, I now understand the severity of metacomming and how it can affect other players in a disrespectful manner, I did not intend to cheat.
I plan to leave any metacords and stay away from them if I get unbanned.
I have spent time on other servers, 65 hours on Novasector without getting any notes, I hope that is enough for a soft vouch?
The ban has brought me great agony as I miss the friends I made while playing on Manuel, I hope I can be forgiven and given a chance to play with them again.

[Vekter]

Hey gamer, I notified Bmon, he said he'll get to this when he gets back from vacation on Tuesday/Wednesday.

[Bmon]

It hasn't even officially been a month yet. Do you at least have a vouch from another server's staff team?

[grungussuss]

novastation requires 500 hours for a vouch, soft vouch doesn't count? I have no notes on Nova with 65 hours playtime.
I have 1300 hours on Fulpstation but they don't do vouches.
edit: in the 1300 hours on fulpstation I have no notes of metagaming or metacomming, only an incident of OOC in IC

[Bmon]

The rules about streaming not being allowed on TG outside per-authorized streamers are pretty clear. It doesn't matter if there was an admin in the discord server or if no one joined the round while you were streaming, it still isn't allowed.

As I said it hasn't even been a month yet and don't have vouch so for those reasons I am going to be denying this for now. Feel free to appeal again in 6 or so months preferably with a vouch.

[grungussuss]

I understand rules are rules but for something that had no harm done and wasn't in bad faith it's a perma ban with 6 month appeal timer? I'd like to ask for a headmin review please.

[grungussuss]

viewtopic.php?f=85&t=36462
From Dendydoom, current headmin:

the truth is that it's not allowed, but the reality is that if you're streaming to 1 person in a DM who doesn't even play, we can't and won't do anything to stop you, because we can't police what you're doing in total privacy. and a lot of us don't really mind because the impact is minimal.

the reason we refuse to endorse this is because it creates this uneasy scenario where it can quickly become not okay. you're streaming to a friend and we say it's fine. then they decide they want to play too, and join the round. woops, now you're both metacomming and are permabanned.

we don't want this to happen so we don't want to invite that situation by telling you that it's fine and then permabanning you the moment it's not fine. the official advice from us is that, for the sake of the game and your fellow participants, you shouldn't do it.

if my appeal is still denied could I please have a lower re-appeal time?

[Bmon]

I can see your point of view on this and while what you did was against the rules you are at least understanding of that.

Plus recently seeing you handle yourself outside of TG has instilled enough confidence in me that you can handle yourself with the maturity demanded from TG's rules.

If you are okay with it I am willing to lower this to a three month ban or you can wait to see what the headmins say.

[grungussuss]

I'm okay with those terms, thank you for your vote of confidence!

[Bmon]

alright it's done