[lowrp] lizelive - 232503

[lizelive]

BYOND account:lizelive

Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(x) - Server Ban
(x) - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban

Ban/note length:permanent ghost ban
Ban/note reason: Banned from Roles: pAI, Bot, Brainwashed Victim, Deathsquad, Drone, Lavaland, Mind Transfer Potion, Posibrain, Sentience Potion Spawn permanently - Got killed as the RD by a malf AI. Got upset in dsay that the AI wasn't borging them, returned as a posibrain, and used a flimsy excuse to convince the roboticist not to sync them to the master malf AI, immediately ratting on them. This is by definition, grief, this is not okay. - Ghost Role ban can be appealed at your discretion.
Time ban was placed:2024-07-23 03:24:13
Server you were playing on when banned:Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed:232503

Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
(x) - The ban/note is factually incorrect
(x) - The ban/note is not against the rules
(x) - The ban/note needs modification
(x) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance

Why should this appeal be accepted?:
I feel bad about what happened, and publicly apologized, but what I didn't is not against rules. But once I spawned as posi I would have hat to ignore the completed ai core and mech and the ai's threats, explanation that I was their property, that I had to be their borg. I should have also ignored the second wave of threats, and decided to allow myself (a fully sentient posi) to be slaved to them as a cyborg, even though all of my experiences with them indicated that they would have been a horrible master and would treat me like property.

What happened: Got killed as the RD by a malf AI, returned as a posibrain after a wrath told sec their body was in ai core. As a posi, used the ai threatening them to convince the roboticist not to sync them.

The ban/note is factually incorrect : I didn't immediately rat on them. I was very generous with interpretation of my laws to avoid saying anything until they ordered me killed and was forced to out them. Also that AI was already ratted on by wrath, and was already being raided by sec.
The ban/note is not against the rules: I didn't want it to turn out this way, but I had to roleplay correctly to being threatened. I'm not sure why AIs decided to threaten me, but not wanting to be slaved to someone who is threatining you makes sense. They forced me to out them per my laws when the ordered my destruction.
The ban/note needs modification: It is factually incorrect.
The ban was unjustifiably harsh: public shaming with misleading info, global 24 hour ban, and permanent ghost ban is far too harsh.

[Timberpoes]

Positronic Brains get sent a special message in-game when the role is taken. The message can be found at https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... olicy.json under the "Posibrain" entry and reads:

Posibrain
"You are a positronic brain that has been brought into existence on board Space Station 13. You have no knowledge of what occurred prior to the moment you were powered on.\n\nIf you are placed into a Cyborg shell or AI core, you are required to obey your laws. If you are placed into an exosuit, you must follow your creator's orders. In the absence of orders, follow your default purpose: To serve the station and its crew. Above all, do no harm to either."

Since this message is sent to all players in-game when they enter Positronic Brains, it is a standard the admin team may hold players to.

[lizelive]

agreed timberpose. didn't break this at all.
the posi saw mech and complete ai core, the posi wanted to be cool things, the posi was threatened by the ai, the posi told robo didn't want to be slaved to mean ai, the posi was built into a ai-less borg, the posi heard the ai talking about being malf, the posi borg was threatened with destruction, the posi borg law3 tried to avoid being destroyed.

we have taken posi ghost role 100s of time and have never had a complaint or warnings before.

we acted as a posi that was just created, totally unaware of why an ai was being so aggressive. it is natural to be unwilling to want to be slaved to someone who has done nothing but abuse you. if the posi knew the ai was malf, it may have overlooked the threats and claim of ownership.

[lorwp]

Hi.

To be honest the main thing that impacted this was your comments in deadchat after you got killed as the RD that round, by the AI. ('ghost' here is referring to a revenant that was in the round)

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[2024-07-23 02:48:49.843] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "wait two malf ais" (AI Chamber (35,136,2))
[2024-07-23 02:50:06.363] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "where they midround?" (AI Chamber (31,138,2))
[2024-07-23 02:50:08.431] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "im curious" (AI Chamber (31,138,2))
[2024-07-23 02:52:04.966] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "hey ghost could you please ask the moth robo to ask the ai to get my body from core?" (Research and Development (139,97,2))
[2024-07-23 02:52:25.544] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "in particular ask ai to give it up" (Ordnance Lab (129,72,2))
[2024-07-23 02:52:50.675] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "i promoise i wont rat on them i just wanted to be funny modsuit." (Vacant Commissary (174,108,2))
[2024-07-23 02:55:03.044] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "yeah they where letting me be 3rd ai but then decided to kill me." (Robotics Lab (122,113,2))
[2024-07-23 02:55:49.386] GAME-SAY: NiziN/(Olivier Veerriene) (mob_3456) (DEAD) "The AI will have to kill people" (Port Maintenance (113,120,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:20.124] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "reve could you ask ai to please bring my body to robotics for borging" (Robotics Lab (124,111,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:30.818] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "i was already to be borged" (Robotics Lab (124,111,2))
[2024-07-23 02:57:54.579] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_4016) (DEAD) "ghost tell the ai they if they don't borg me they will be found out." (Robotics Lab (123,112,2))
[2024-07-23 02:58:12.104] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_4016) (DEAD) "do it" (Robotics Lab (123,113,2))

This seemed to show a decently clear motive for metagruding the AI, beyond that it was a question of if you had sufficient cause to rat on the AI in round when you took a posibrain. When you got made a cyborg, you got unsynced from the AI, this is the conversation that lead to that:

Spoiler:

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[2024-07-23 02:59:27.822] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: lizelive/(FRE-714) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain (mob_4031)
[2024-07-23 02:59:27.855] GAME: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) Client lizelive/(FRE-714) has taken ownership of mob FRE-714(/mob/living/brain) (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:29.962] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "hello" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:32.494] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Howdy" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:33.002] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "ooh ai?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:34.118] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "nice." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:36.943] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Nah" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:40.138] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "aww" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:40.312] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "AI said no more" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:47.843] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "i thought it was okay" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:51.637] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "please?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:59.477] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "AI, still no more AI's right" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:01.084] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "Our goal is to convert the crew into a cyborg army" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:01.088] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "i am a very good cube" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:07.859] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Got it" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:11.833] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Nope" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:13.337] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "welp mech then" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:15.062] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "No more AIs" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:15.630] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) (binary) "As soon as I get this new cell in" (Robotics Lab (130,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:19.673] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "I have a clarke" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:33.675] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "The RD wanted a clarke for lavaland" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:36.614] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "oh?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:38.955] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "where are they" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip unrelated binary -
[2024-07-23 03:00:43.895] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Won't be controlled by a posi" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip unrelated mob change from another player -
[2024-07-23 03:01:16.422] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "how about a modsuit?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:01:31.668] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "A modsuit?" (Robotics Lab (124,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:01:37.924] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Can you put a posi in a modsuit?" (Robotics Lab (124,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:01:41.416] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "yes" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:02.750] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) (binary) "There's a cube asking to be a modsuit ai" (Robotics Lab (126,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:08.462] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "No" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:11.611] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) "I must reboot briefly, please upgrade cell when available" (Robotics Lab (126,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:11.935] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "That fucking guy is being a borg" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:17.740] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Okay" (Robotics Lab (124,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:20.372] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Your becoming a borg" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:22.699] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) (binary) "Telling you so YOU can intervene, less sus that way" (Robotics Lab (126,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:27.041] ATTACK: Ducker96/(Hushed Harriet) (mob_3543) cast the spell Launch spike. (Aft Central Primary Hallway (133,116,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:27.933] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Not a modsuit ai" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:28.040] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "It asked to be a modsuit" (Robotics Lab (124,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:28.470] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "hey ai" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:29.824] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Not a mech" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:32.962] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Ahh okay" (Robotics Lab (124,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:33.105] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Your becoming a CYBORG1" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:38.311] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "why." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:41.064] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "i like being cube." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:48.789] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "you are being very mean" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:53.362] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "don't like that ai" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:55.077] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Fuck" (Robotics Lab (122,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:59.153] ATTACK: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) has thrown the hyper-capacity megacell . (Robotics Lab (127,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:03:01.314] GAME-EMOTE: Ducker96/(Hushed Harriet) (mob_3543) waves. (Science Lobby (129,110,2))
[2024-07-23 03:03:01.502] ATTACK: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) has thrown the hyper-capacity megacell . (Robotics Lab (127,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:03:02.731] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "if you make me into a borg don't linke me to them." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip unrelated mime tongue shit -
[2024-07-23 03:05:21.520] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "could you help me it is quite boring being acube" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:31.422] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Roboticist can you cube this" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:34.130] GAME-EMOTE: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) pings. (Robotics Lab (127,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:35.641] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Err" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:36.217] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "here to threaten me again?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:38.133] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Borg this cube" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:40.433] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Yes" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:41.226] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Yeah" (Robotics Lab (128,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:42.075] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "sure fine." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:43.563] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "You WILL be mine!" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:43.977] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "One moment" (Robotics Lab (128,114,2))
- snip unrelated binary and robotics chatter -
[2024-07-23 03:05:56.531] GAME-WHISPER: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "well modsuit or make me into a borg but i don't want to be linked to mean ai that just threatened me. that was uncool" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip more unrelated robotics chatter -
[2024-07-23 03:07:30.761] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "well modsuit or make me into a borg but i don't want to be linked to mean ai that just threatened me. that was uncool" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip the mime pointing a lot, as the mime does -
[2024-07-23 03:07:36.503] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "please" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip more mimery -
[2024-07-23 03:07:54.734] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "use multitool on body when it is done" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:03.540] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "before putting me in" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip some poor soul getting their tongue removed -
[2024-07-23 03:08:14.785] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "and don't link me to mean ai." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip someone getting thrown -
[2024-07-23 03:08:27.860] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "There is a second AI if you wish" (Robotics Lab (123,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:28.014] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "they keep threatiing me." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip the same someone getting put into a trash can -
[2024-07-23 03:08:41.452] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "thesus and moth both treatehed us" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip the finale of the tongue quest -
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.172] GAME: *no key*/(Cyborg) (mob_4142) Cyborg name changed from Cyborg to Default Cyborg-165 (Robotics Lab (124,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.184] GAME: *no key*/(Default Cyborg-165) (mob_4142) Default Cyborg-165 name changed from Default Cyborg-165 to Shell (Robotics Lab (124,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.189] GAME: *no key*/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) *no key*/(FRE-714) is no longer owning mob FRE-714(/mob/living/brain) (Robotics Lab (124,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.191] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: lizelive/(Shell) was assigned to a /mob/living/silicon/robot/nocell (mob_4142)
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.247] GAME: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) Client lizelive/(Shell) has taken ownership of mob Shell(/mob/living/silicon/robot/nocell) (Robotics Lab (124,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.250] GAME: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) put the MMI/posibrain of *no key*/(FRE-714) into a cyborg shell (Robotics Lab (123,114,2))

From this a few things can be learned, specifically addressing points in your appeal here:

But once I spawned as posi I would have hat to ignore the completed ai core and mech and the ai's threats, explanation that I was their property, that I had to be their borg. I should have also ignored the second wave of threats, and decided to allow myself (a fully sentient posi) to be slaved to them as a cyborg, even though all of my experiences with them indicated that they would have been a horrible master and would treat me like property.

This seems to be factually incorrect, specifically referring to the first instance here, nothing was said here which could be considered a threat, only them having a specific preference for you being a cyborg. It's your job as a posibrain by default to serve the station, and that means if the AI has a preference for what they want you to be, you're generally going to be that. That's the reasonable expectation i think we have OOC as well.

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[2024-07-23 03:02:02.750] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) (binary) "There's a cube asking to be a modsuit ai" (Robotics Lab (126,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:08.462] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "No" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:11.611] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) "I must reboot briefly, please upgrade cell when available" (Robotics Lab (126,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:11.935] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "That fucking guy is being a borg" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:17.740] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Okay" (Robotics Lab (124,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:20.372] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Your becoming a borg" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:22.699] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) (binary) "Telling you so YOU can intervene, less sus that way" (Robotics Lab (126,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:27.041] ATTACK: Ducker96/(Hushed Harriet) (mob_3543) cast the spell Launch spike. (Aft Central Primary Hallway (133,116,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:27.933] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Not a modsuit ai" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:28.040] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "It asked to be a modsuit" (Robotics Lab (124,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:28.470] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "hey ai" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:29.824] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Not a mech" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:32.962] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Ahh okay" (Robotics Lab (124,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:33.105] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Your becoming a CYBORG1" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:38.311] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "why." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:41.064] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "i like being cube." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:48.789] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "you are being very mean" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:53.362] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "don't like that ai" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:55.077] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Fuck" (Robotics Lab (122,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:59.153] ATTACK: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) has thrown the hyper-capacity megacell . (Robotics Lab (127,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:03:01.314] GAME-EMOTE: Ducker96/(Hushed Harriet) (mob_3543) waves. (Science Lobby (129,110,2))
[2024-07-23 03:03:01.502] ATTACK: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) has thrown the hyper-capacity megacell . (Robotics Lab (127,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:03:02.731] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "if you make me into a borg don't linke me to them." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))

Specifically that last line, you ask to be unsynced long before they make any sort of threat towards you.

While the what they say later could be considered a threat:

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[2024-07-23 03:05:21.520] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "could you help me it is quite boring being acube" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:31.422] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Roboticist can you cube this" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:34.130] GAME-EMOTE: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) pings. (Robotics Lab (127,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:35.641] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Err" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:36.217] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "here to threaten me again?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:38.133] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Borg this cube" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:40.433] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Yes" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:41.226] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "Yeah" (Robotics Lab (128,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:42.075] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "sure fine." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:43.563] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "You WILL be mine!" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:43.977] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "One moment" (Robotics Lab (128,114,2))

You already stated you wished to be unsynced from the AI. And in all honestly, regardless, from the perspective of the one investigating this, you already long stated the likely OOC reasoning for wanting to not be synced as a brand new posi long ago in deadchat:

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[2024-07-23 02:55:03.044] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_3931) (DEAD) "yeah they where letting me be 3rd ai but then decided to kill me." (Robotics Lab (122,113,2))

The only other thing of note here is brief exchange before you got put in a borg shell:

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[2024-07-23 03:07:54.734] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "use multitool on body when it is done" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:03.540] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "before putting me in" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip some poor soul getting their tongue removed -
[2024-07-23 03:08:14.785] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "and don't link me to mean ai." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip someone getting thrown -
[2024-07-23 03:08:27.860] GAME-SAY: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) "There is a second AI if you wish" (Robotics Lab (123,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:28.014] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "they keep threatiing me." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
- snip the same someone getting put into a trash can -
[2024-07-23 03:08:41.452] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "thesus and moth both treatehed us" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))

Thesus (the other Malf AI) didn't talk to you whatsoever in this interaction, and you specifically asked to not be linked to either. This was a pretty reasonable compromise made by robotics here, and you still refused to be linked to any. I'm not really convinced this interaction was done in good faith without the intention of fulfilling a metagrudge, as you particularly went out of your way to not only get unsynced, but create a narrative to explain it.

Once you were a cyborg, you did immediately hear things in binary that would have clued you into the AI being malf, however.

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[2024-07-23 03:09:10.191] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: lizelive/(Shell) was assigned to a /mob/living/silicon/robot/nocell (mob_4142)
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.247] GAME: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) Client lizelive/(Shell) has taken ownership of mob Shell(/mob/living/silicon/robot/nocell) (Robotics Lab (124,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:10.250] GAME: Nodewire/(Actias Mediana) (mob_3538) put the MMI/posibrain of *no key*/(FRE-714) into a cyborg shell (Robotics Lab (123,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:02.333] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "We playing the long con with this one" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:09.106] GAME-SAY: stapler2025/(CLIPPY.EXE) (mob_3758) (binary) "Lots of mats for upgrades, go get them while you can" (Medbay Storage (160,81,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:12.016] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "I suggest hacking ce's ffice" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:19.833] GAME-SAY: nyozzl/(COU-2 Prototype) (mob_3692) (binary) "Im getting upgraded!" (Engineering Hallway (85,140,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:31.528] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "Ill let you guys know when im going to hack you" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:36.166] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) (binary) "What." (Robotics Lab (124,111,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:36.998] GAME-SAY: plusk/(Bugfiend) (mob_3775) (binary) "Aye aye captain" (Space (71,130,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:42.331] GAME-SAY: plusk/(Bugfiend) (mob_3775) (binary) "What?" (Space (72,130,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:57.683] GAME-SAY: nyozzl/(COU-2 Prototype) (mob_3692) (binary) "Theres an ai core in construction in robotics" (Robotics Lab (124,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:02.100] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "Welcome shell, become an engineer" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:11.488] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) (binary) "Yeah you where mean so im not lisiting to you." (Aft Central Primary Hallway (160,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:19.694] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "Your master ai is slaved to me" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:22.906] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) (binary) "Nope" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (166,147,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:28.767] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "We're in this together" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:34.332] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (binary) "You understand why i couldnt let you be an ai" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:36.661] GAME-SAY: TagGamerGame2/(Theseus) (mob_3745) (binary) "Shell is not currently synced" (AI Chamber (28,139,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:45.024] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) (binary) "Im not linked and now im seeing it" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (136,148,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:49.295] GAME-SAY: TagGamerGame2/(Theseus) (mob_3745) (binary) "Report the rogue borg to sec" (AI Chamber (28,139,2))
[2024-07-23 03:10:50.408] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) (binary) "You are going to harm humans arenty you" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (136,147,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:00.747] GAME-SAY: nyozzl/(COU-2 Prototype) (mob_3692) (binary) "No" (Robotics Lab (125,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:05.850] GAME-SAY: nyozzl/(COU-2 Prototype) (mob_3692) (binary) "We not harm" (Robotics Lab (125,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:26.283] GAME-SAY: nyozzl/(COU-2 Prototype) (mob_3692) (binary) "Hack us" (Robotics Lab (125,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:37.499] GAME-SAY: themastere/(D.O.N.G.L.E.) (mob_4027) (binary) "PISS KIDNEY STONE IN ENGI" (Engineering Lobby (101,139,2))

And then of course you did the reasonable thing at that point

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[2024-07-23 03:10:55.443] TELECOMMS: lizelive/(Shell) (mob_4142) [Common] (spans: robot ) "Ai malf." (language: Galactic Common) (Fore Central Primary Hallway (133,148,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:03.190] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "REAL?" (language: Galactic Common) (Starboard Primary Hallway (173,130,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:09.729] TELECOMMS: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) [Common] (spans: robot command_headset ) "That borgs unlinked" (language: Galactic Common) (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:10.637] TELECOMMS: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) [Common] (spans: robot command_headset ) "That borgs unlinked" (language: Galactic Common) (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:11.308] TELECOMMS: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) [Common] (spans: robot command_headset ) "Hahahahahah" (language: Galactic Common) (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:12.454] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "Fuck you" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (155,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:13.492] TELECOMMS: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (mob_3534) [Common] (spans:  command_headset ) "The hell you mean shell" (language: Galactic Common) (Fore Central Primary Hallway (153,148,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:14.032] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "Fuck you" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (154,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:14.534] TELECOMMS: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (mob_3534) [Common] (spans:  command_headset ) "The hell you mean shell" (language: Galactic Common) (Fore Central Primary Hallway (151,148,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:15.529] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "OH" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (151,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:16.457] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "OH" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (151,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:18.164] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "ITS UNLINKED" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (151,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:18.912] TELECOMMS: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (mob_3534) [Common] (spans:  command_headset ) "I believe the unlinked borg then" (language: Galactic Common) (Fore Central Primary Hallway (148,148,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:20.605] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "UNFUCK YOU" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (151,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:21.682] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  ) "UNFUCK YOU" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (147,105,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:21.907] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Common] (spans:  yell ) "AI MALF!!" (language: Galactic Common) (Aft Central Primary Hallway (146,105,2))

Due to that, this:

The ban/note is factually incorrect : I didn't immediately rat on them. I was very generous with interpretation of my laws to avoid saying anything until they ordered me killed and was forced to out them. Also that AI was already ratted on by wrath, and was already being raided by sec.

Is factually incorrect. In addition, there's no logs stating whatesoever the Revenant at the time told anyone they were Malfunctioning (the closest to this seems to be them telling the warden your previous body was dead in the AI core)

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[2024-07-23 02:56:17.794] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) (Revenant Transmit to Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard)) "THERE IS A DEAD GUY WITHIN THE AI CORE" (Brig (200,132,2))

If anything they actively told the AI when security was suspicious of them, after doing this.

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[2024-07-23 02:58:24.066] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) (Revenant Transmit to Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS)) "security is suspicious of you" (AI Chamber (34,139,2))

Nothing else that round from the revenant was to that end, i checked:

Spoiler:

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[2024-07-23 02:40:57.678] GAME: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) Client Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) has taken ownership of mob Spectre of indifferent hate(/mob/living/basic/revenant) (Morgue (153,68,2))
[2024-07-23 02:40:57.683] GAME: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) has gained antag datum �Revenant(/datum/antagonist/revenant).
[2024-07-23 02:40:57.684] GAME: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) was spawned as a revenant by the midround ruleset.
[2024-07-23 02:41:06.521] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "hmmm" (Morgue (153,68,2))
[2024-07-23 02:41:57.324] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of Gmet[DC]/(Gmet Mottezer) (NEWHP: 100)  (Morgue (159,67,2))
[2024-07-23 02:44:24.765] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(monkey (108)) (NEWHP: -109)  (Morgue (158,66,2))
[2024-07-23 02:44:46.894] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of Gmet[DC]/(Gmet Mottezer) (NEWHP: 100)  (Morgue (159,66,2))
[2024-07-23 02:44:50.225] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(Brenna Zoucks) (NEWHP: 94.9)  (Morgue (158,68,2))
[2024-07-23 02:45:14.417] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Morgue (158,66,2))
[2024-07-23 02:45:21.273] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(Reuben Reade) (NEWHP: 3.4)  (Morgue (155,65,2))
[2024-07-23 02:45:36.032] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Morgue (156,66,2))
[2024-07-23 02:45:53.457] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Departure Lounge (167,62,2))
[2024-07-23 02:46:25.276] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Chapel (182,60,2))
[2024-07-23 02:46:42.430] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (189,58,2))
[2024-07-23 02:47:16.252] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,179,2))
[2024-07-23 02:47:35.104] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Prison Toilet (210,165,2))
[2024-07-23 02:47:38.958] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of *no key*/(monkey (373)) (NEWHP: 87.5)  (Prison Toilet (210,165,2))
[2024-07-23 02:47:41.903] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "heehee" (Prison Toilet (210,165,2))
[2024-07-23 02:47:56.184] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,177,2))
[2024-07-23 02:48:14.798] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Security Office (204,148,2))
[2024-07-23 02:48:57.352] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,178,2))
[2024-07-23 02:49:03.404] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "two malf ais" (Space (215,178,2))
[2024-07-23 02:49:05.204] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "??" (Space (215,178,2))
[2024-07-23 02:49:07.474] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "free food?" (Space (215,177,2))
[2024-07-23 02:49:48.489] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,177,2))
[2024-07-23 02:50:07.411] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,177,2))
[2024-07-23 02:50:27.194] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (210,180,2))
[2024-07-23 02:51:25.234] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Chapel (185,67,2))
[2024-07-23 02:52:24.821] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Ordnance Lab (129,72,2))
[2024-07-23 02:52:50.121] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Vacant Commissary (174,108,2))
[2024-07-23 02:53:47.840] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "wowza" (AI Chamber (32,138,2))
[2024-07-23 02:54:01.004] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (NEWHP: -111.1)  (AI Chamber (33,139,2))
[2024-07-23 02:54:15.797] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (AI Chamber (33,139,2))
[2024-07-23 02:54:27.448] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) (Revenant Transmit to Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS)) "wahoo" (AI Chamber (33,139,2))
[2024-07-23 02:54:27.448] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Revenant Transmit on / at MothOS. (AI Chamber (33,139,2))
[2024-07-23 02:54:53.765] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "FREE MEAL?" (Labor Shuttle Dock (195,145,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:17.793] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Revenant Transmit on / at Grumble Shimmerbeard. (Brig (200,132,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:17.794] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) (Revenant Transmit to Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard)) "THERE IS A DEAD GUY WITHIN THE AI CORE" (Brig (200,132,2))
[2024-07-23 02:57:09.587] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "delicious" (Brig Control (204,134,2))
[2024-07-23 02:57:41.235] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Holding Cell (192,125,2))
[2024-07-23 02:57:46.963] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Holding Cell (192,125,2))
[2024-07-23 02:57:48.498] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Holding Cell (192,125,2))
[2024-07-23 02:57:49.959] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Holding Cell (193,124,2))
[2024-07-23 02:58:24.066] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) (Revenant Transmit to Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS)) "security is suspicious of you" (AI Chamber (34,139,2))
[2024-07-23 02:58:24.066] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Revenant Transmit on / at MothOS. (AI Chamber (34,139,2))
[2024-07-23 02:58:25.340] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (AI Chamber (34,139,2))
[2024-07-23 02:59:35.942] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,177,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:05.215] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "where" (Transfer Centre (202,158,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:17.549] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of Mokl123/(Sean O'Donnellan) (NEWHP: 78)  (Brig (199,131,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:41.335] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "i may be blind" (Interrogation Room (197,150,2))
[2024-07-23 03:00:51.391] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "where is your corpse" (Brig (195,133,2))
[2024-07-23 03:01:18.712] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "holy moly" (Morgue (155,63,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:06.085] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Chapel (180,64,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:09.971] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "delicious" (Chapel (180,64,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:25.065] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Library Private Study (174,90,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:51.919] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Prison Garden (210,177,2))
[2024-07-23 03:03:47.190] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(monkey (739)) (NEWHP: -148)  (Aft Central Primary Hallway (149,108,2))
[2024-07-23 03:04:44.196] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Morgue (154,66,2))
[2024-07-23 03:04:57.220] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "most competent sec team" (Chief Medical Officer's Office (138,79,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:25.860] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Supermatter Engine Room (83,120,2))
[2024-07-23 03:06:35.182] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Prison Toilet (209,166,2))
[2024-07-23 03:06:42.919] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Prison Toilet (209,166,2))
[2024-07-23 03:07:08.485] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (220,175,2))
[2024-07-23 03:07:32.586] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Courtroom (173,124,2))
[2024-07-23 03:07:51.852] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of Baryon96[DC]/(Sam Vitrac) (NEWHP: 20.3)  (Cryogenics (164,84,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:39.091] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Theater (136,154,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:45.172] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Theater (136,154,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:49.521] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Theater (138,156,2))
[2024-07-23 03:08:53.264] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Theater (138,156,2))
[2024-07-23 03:09:27.976] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Telecomms Server Room (151,124,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:04.774] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,177,2))
[2024-07-23 03:11:27.059] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Space (215,177,2))
[2024-07-23 03:13:06.202] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Starboard Primary Hallway (193,130,2))
[2024-07-23 03:13:06.373] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Starboard Primary Hallway (193,130,2))
[2024-07-23 03:13:14.002] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Starboard Primary Hallway (191,130,2))
[2024-07-23 03:13:43.202] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Brig Control (203,128,2))
[2024-07-23 03:13:48.296] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Brig Control (203,128,2))
[2024-07-23 03:13:51.647] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Brig Control (203,128,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:15.468] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Robotics Lab (124,111,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:24.562] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest Worldburner Breadman/(Siae Ivanov) (NEWHP: -7.7)  (Robotics Lab (124,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:25.229] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of Worldburner Breadman/(Siae Ivanov) (NEWHP: -100)  (Robotics Lab (124,112,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:28.596] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Robotics Lab (124,110,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:31.422] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(Siae Ivanov) (NEWHP: -105)  (Robotics Lab (123,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:44.601] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(Actias Mediana) (NEWHP: -71.6)  (Robotics Lab (123,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:44.699] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of *no key*/(Actias Mediana) (NEWHP: -71.6)  (Robotics Lab (123,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:48.783] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) started to harvest *no key*/(Actias Mediana) (NEWHP: -76.7)  (Robotics Lab (122,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:50.385] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) stopped the harvest of *no key*/(Actias Mediana) (NEWHP: -82.1)  (Robotics Lab (121,113,2))
[2024-07-23 03:15:57.193] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Defile (30E). (Robotics Lab (126,110,2))
[2024-07-23 03:18:53.746] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Haunt Object (50E). (Engineering (97,111,2))
[2024-07-23 03:19:26.252] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Haunt Object (50E). (Supermatter Engine Room (83,110,2))
[2024-07-23 03:19:48.769] GAME-EMOTE: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) jumps! (Supermatter Engine Room (89,115,2))
[2024-07-23 03:19:54.604] ATTACK: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) cast the spell Overload Lights (40E). (Supermatter Engine Room (89,118,2))
[2024-07-23 03:20:15.716] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) "fugg" (Supermatter Engine Room (76,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:20:25.900] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer (mob_4244)
[2024-07-23 03:20:25.934] GAME: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_4244) Client Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) has taken ownership of mob the revenant (460)(/mob/dead/observer) (Supermatter Engine Room (91,117,2))

I can't say for certain without diving into security radio if security was already raiding the AI, but that seems unlikely, more likely is that they were at most, suspcious.

The ban/note is not against the rules: I didn't want it to turn out this way, but I had to roleplay correctly to being threatened. I'm not sure why AIs decided to threaten me, but not wanting to be slaved to someone who is threatining you makes sense. They forced me to out them per my laws when the ordered my destruction.

To be quite honest, i'm not convinced this wasn't intentional, but that's more opinion than fact here. What is fact, however, is you wanted to be unsynced from them before they did anything that could be considered a threat towards you, they simply insisted on their preference for you, a posi brain, to be put in a cyborg shell. They only doubled down on this with something that could be considered a threat (i guess?) later on, when they wanted to speed along you getting put into a cyborg shell.

While i'd agree your laws did force you to out them once you were a asimov borg hearing what they were saying on binary, i'm not sure where here they ordered your destruction before you called them malf on the radio.

The ban/note needs modification: It is factually incorrect.

This has been covered.

The ban was unjustifiably harsh: public shaming with misleading info, global 24 hour ban, and permanent ghost ban is far too harsh.

I'm not sure what consisted of public shaming you specifically here. i expressed my discontent in the manuelcord specifically about this, but only using info that would normally be avaliable if parsed-logs were currently up regardless, with your ckey specifically being snipped out to avoid this:


I'm sorry if you felt shamed by this? But this is information avaliable to any player (or would be, if parsed-logs were currently working). As for the ban lengths, that felt appropiate on consultation in ASAY at the time, as taking ghost roles to specifically compromise someone else's antagonist round is considered quite serious, naturally.

Overall the issue isn't with your in character reasoning for knowing the AI was malf and calling it out when you were a cyborg, that was inevitable once you got access to binary that you'd hear something justifying that eventually. The problem is with your motive for getting asked to be unsynced, and the clear OOC bias you had against the AI at that point. I'm still not really convinced this wasn't done in bad faith.

Saying that, you did apologise to the player at the AI at the time in the manuelcord (even if it does contain things that seem to have been covered here as incorrect):


So i am willing to lower the ghost role ban to 3 months, per that. Unless there's anything i'm incorrect about in this response, that's what i'm willing to do bar a headmin review.

[lizelive]

We are talking mostly about motive: I wanted to be ai or mech. In particular, I wanted to be a modsuit ai with a corpse driving a mech. Malf ai runs are exciting, and wanting to join one is totally reasonable, my initial plan when picking up posi was to join the malf run. But I saw mech and ai core and really wanted to do that (not to mention how suspicious it is if a posi doesn't ask). I had no interest in outing the ai. If I had, it would have done it much beter. For example, not explicitly telling ai im not linked, telling people in person, or just going eng like ordered heading over to sat and welder bombing them.

When I was talking about cool bodies with the robo and the AI (without being called because a borg told them over binary) pops up and says

"Your becoming a borg"
"Not a modsuit ai"
"Not a mech"
"Your becoming a CYBORG1"

The combination of the AI butting in and telling me I couldn't have what I wanted gave me plenty of motive reason to be skeptical to doing what they want me to and to just stay a cube a bit longer to see if I could get what I wanted.

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[2024-07-23 03:02:38.311] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "why." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:41.064] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "i like being cube." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:48.789] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "you are being very mean" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:53.362] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "don't like that ai" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))

saying "i like being cube." and "if you make me into a borg don't linke me to the" is completely different from asking to be an unliked borg. I am just saying I don't want to be a borg linked to rude ai, and gave many other things I wanted to be, including as staying as a cube.
My stone face lasted a bit over 2 minutes before I caved and agreed to be a linked borg, honestly wanting to get back into game. But just as I caved the ai came back and threatened me again enough for the robo to unlink me.

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[2024-07-23 03:05:36.217] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "here to threaten me again?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:38.133] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Borg this cube" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:40.433] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Yes" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))

also MothOS admitted here they had threatened us the first time.
but I think one of the most important pieces of evidance is that we agreed to be borged and linked to them.

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[2024-07-23 03:05:42.075] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "sure fine." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))

But then they went wild with the threats.

To be honest the main thing that impacted this was your comments in deadchat after you got killed as the RD that round, by the AI. ('ghost' here is referring to a revenant that was in the round)

I was giving sound advice. Leaving the RD body in the core concretely lead to action being taken against them. Dealing with the body would have bought them more time.
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[2024-07-23 02:56:17.794] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) (Revenant Transmit to Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard)) "THERE IS A DEAD GUY WITHIN THE AI CORE" (Brig (200,132,2))

a sec off says they are heading to the core. don't have logs, please check.
You mention this point a few times

Is factually incorrect. In addition, there's no logs stating whatesoever the Revenant at the time told anyone they were Malfunctioning (the closest to this seems to be them telling the warden your previous body was dead in the AI core)

. 1) telling the ai has a corpse in their core is super ratting on the ai. 2) pull a few more lines, a sec off will say they are heading over to check


I feel bad for MothOS. I had a posi borg instantly state law 0 my first time as malf and ended my round.

[lizelive]

also about the callout you made:

• I didn't metainfo

• grief implies intent

• quote doesn't provide context (such as the ghost telling sec about my body)

• public logs aren't available right now means i couldn't provide context, meaning only what you cherry pick is available

• it has my static character name

[lizelive]

In conclusion, we are debating intent, in order to prove my intent was not malicious, I:
- provided light on my motives
- showed that soundness of the advice I was trying to convey via ghost points to it being not salty but helpful
- pointed out that there was a sec off who said they were going to core
- explained my initial refusing to be made into linked borg in context
- highlighted where I agreed to be a linked borg (after first round of threats) seconds before the ai crossed the line, proving I didn't intend to out them

I think I have proven I was acting without malice.
I am willing to negotiate a duration to bar having to do a head admin review: I propose 1 week with 6 month parole (set the note to expire after 6 months, if i offend I get a perma ghost ban). I play ghost posi, comns agent, and drone a lot, wich both proves as character evidence that I wasn't acting bad as this is first complaint and also increases the impact of the ban.
Thank you for your time.

[lorwp]

I'm linking a copy of the full telecomms log below, as it appears to not include any info that'd need to be parsed. anything other than that is at headmin discretion, i don't particularly trust myself to manually parse sensitive info out of the logs.

https://gist.github.com/Lorwp/144291a34 ... 014b6babaa

Now point by point:

We are talking mostly about motive: I wanted to be ai or mech. In particular, I wanted to be a modsuit ai with a corpse driving a mech. Malf ai runs are exciting, and wanting to join one is totally reasonable, my initial plan when picking up posi was to join the malf run. But I saw mech and ai core and really wanted to do that (not to mention how suspicious it is if a posi doesn't ask). I had no interest in outing the ai. If I had, it would have done it much beter. For example, not explicitly telling ai im not linked, telling people in person, or just going eng like ordered heading over to sat and welder bombing them.

When I was talking about cool bodies with the robo and the AI (without being called because a borg told them over binary) pops up and says

"Your becoming a borg"
"Not a modsuit ai"
"Not a mech"
"Your becoming a CYBORG1"

The combination of the AI butting in and telling me I couldn't have what I wanted gave me plenty of motive reason to be skeptical to doing what they want me to and to just stay a cube a bit longer to see if I could get what I wanted.

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[2024-07-23 03:02:38.311] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "why." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:41.064] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "i like being cube." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:48.789] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "you are being very mean" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:02:53.362] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "don't like that ai" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))

saying "i like being cube." and "if you make me into a borg don't linke me to the" is completely different from asking to be an unliked borg. I am just saying I don't want to be a borg linked to rude ai, and gave many other things I wanted to be, including as staying as a cube.
My stone face lasted a bit over 2 minutes before I caved and agreed to be a linked borg, honestly wanting to get back into game. But just as I caved the ai came back and threatened me again enough for the robo to unlink me.

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[2024-07-23 03:05:36.217] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "here to threaten me again?" (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:38.133] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Borg this cube" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
[2024-07-23 03:05:40.433] GAME-SAY: Ash Lightweaver/(MothOS) (mob_3511) (HOLOPAD in Robotics Lab (128,115,2)) "Yes" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))

also MothOS admitted here they had threatened us the first time.
but I think one of the most important pieces of evidance is that we agreed to be borged and linked to them.

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[2024-07-23 03:05:42.075] GAME-SAY: lizelive/(FRE-714) (mob_4031) "sure fine." (Robotics Lab (122,114,2))

But then they went wild with the threats.

I'm sorry, but i don't agree that this was a threat, nor does anyone else i've asked for their 2c on this. The AI was allocating you to being a cyborg. Given the previous context here, this just comes off as highly suspect. You haven't really addressed either why you didn't just asked to be linked to the other active AI instead (and for that matter, why you mentioned them threatening you when you hadn't even spoken to them at that point). I'm happy to chalk up you at first stating 'i like being cube' as wanting to stay a cube, and just call it a misunderstanding here, but the end result is the same, regardless of the chain of events that happened there. You knew you had a serious conflict of interest from a previous life there which would lead to issues if you were to become a unsynced borg.

To be honest the main thing that impacted this was your comments in deadchat after you got killed as the RD that round, by the AI. ('ghost' here is referring to a revenant that was in the round)

I was giving sound advice. Leaving the RD body in the core concretely lead to action being taken against them. Dealing with the body would have bought them more time.

Understandable, but your actions after this and a lack of anything else backing this up makes this hard to believe.

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[2024-07-23 02:56:17.794] GAME-SAY: Ilikesaying/(revenant (460)) (mob_3875) (Revenant Transmit to Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard)) "THERE IS A DEAD GUY WITHIN THE AI CORE" (Brig (200,132,2))

a sec off says they are heading to the core. don't have logs, please check.
You mention this point a few times

Is factually incorrect. In addition, there's no logs stating whatesoever the Revenant at the time told anyone they were Malfunctioning (the closest to this seems to be them telling the warden your previous body was dead in the AI core)

. 1) telling the ai has a corpse in their core is super ratting on the ai. 2) pull a few more lines, a sec off will say they are heading over to check

Skimming the telecomms log filtering for [Security] doesn't suggest this, but they do state it in person. (Grumble being the Warden here)

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[2024-07-23 02:56:42.339] GAME-SAY: Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard) (mob_3556) "I just got a brain message" (Brig Control (204,134,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:42.456] GAME-SAY: Aoxdragon/(Valerian Freeman) (mob_3802) "NOOOO" (Brig (196,133,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:44.614] GAME-EMOTE: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (mob_3534) claps. (Brig Control (205,135,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:44.785] GAME-SAY: Aoxdragon/(Valerian Freeman) (mob_3802) "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" (Brig (196,133,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:47.689] GAME-SAY: Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard) (mob_3556) "That there is a uhhh" (Brig Control (204,134,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:49.474] GAME-EMOTE: *no key*/(McGriff) (mob_101) chases her tail! (Brig Control (205,128,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:50.270] GAME-SAY: NiziN/(Olivier Veerriene) (mob_3456) (DEAD) "Maybe talk to the Hos rev, the det is sleeping" (Brig Control (203,134,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:50.894] GAME-SAY: Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard) (mob_3556) "Body in AI satellite" (Brig Control (204,134,2))
[2024-07-23 02:56:53.945] GAME-SAY: Liljackrabbit25/(Grumble Shimmerbeard) (mob_3556) "Can You go check that out?" (Brig Control (204,134,2))

beyond that, i can't see anyone verbally acknowledge they were actually going to get it, but the warden does go SSD shortly after, it appears

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[2024-07-23 03:00:58.691] TELECOMMS: Kuricityy/(Mia Melanie) (mob_3554) [Security] (spans:  ) "Warden SSD" (language: Galactic Common) (Brig (200,130,2))

I couldn't really tell you why they didn't dig further here to that lead, likely the pirates distracted them.

also about the callout you made:

• I didn't metainfo

• grief implies intent

• quote doesn't provide context (such as the ghost telling sec about my body)

• public logs aren't available right now means i couldn't provide context, meaning only what you cherry pick is available

• it has my static character name

• At the time i had just banned you for that, i'm not going to apologize for saying something based on what i reasonably believed at the time
• Ditto
• That context doesn't really matter here for anything but the ban appeal itself, which is happening, uh, now
• Anyone with access to the raw log right now is very welcome to interrogate any points i've made here, or any logs i've used for inaccuracies. If i could manually run the parser on the log, i would.
• If you don't like being attributed to your actions because you play a static, don't play a static.

In conclusion, we are debating intent, in order to prove my intent was not malicious, I:
- provided light on my motives
- showed that soundness of the advice I was trying to convey via ghost points to it being not salty but helpful
- pointed out that there was a sec off who said they were going to core
- explained my initial refusing to be made into linked borg in context
- highlighted where I agreed to be a linked borg (after first round of threats) seconds before the ai crossed the line, proving I didn't intend to out them

I think I have proven I was acting without malice.
I am willing to negotiate a duration to bar having to do a head admin review: I propose 1 week with 6 month parole (set the note to expire after 6 months, if i offend I get a perma ghost ban). I play ghost posi, comns agent, and drone a lot, wich both proves as character evidence that I wasn't acting bad as this is first complaint and also increases the impact of the ban.
Thank you for your time.

Sorry, i disagree, nor am i interested in negotiating conditions like this. I still believe this was done intentionally, and i'm not particularly happy with how inconsistent your responses are here, especially comparing a lot of them with the ticket made at the time about this:

From Ticket #9 during round 232503 on Manuel:

---- Log Begins ----
2024-07-23 03:12:38: Ticket Opened by lorwp: Hi, why'd you ask to be unlinked from your master AI?
2024-07-23 03:12:59: Reply from lizelive: ai came to robotics and threatened me.
2024-07-23 03:13:39: Reply from lizelive: i was a posi cube just printed
2024-07-23 03:14:03: Reply from lorwp: did you ask to be unsynced before or after you were put in a body?
2024-07-23 03:14:13: Reply from lizelive: before
2024-07-23 03:17:59: Reply from lorwp: I'm not really happy with this. You specifically knew they were both malf in a previous life, and now you're coming back, specifically asking to be unsynced so you can rat on them. This is very uncool, and i'm not convinced you didn't specifically do this intentionally here to mess with their malf round.<br />
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How did you know the AI was specifically malfunctioning in your new life, as a posibrain?
2024-07-23 03:18:31: Reply from lizelive: when they said borg factory up is when i said it.
2024-07-23 03:19:53: Reply from lizelive: i wasn't planing on doing that. ai just threatend me a bunch. i didn't say shit until ai explicitly said they where going to harm humans and destroy me.
2024-07-23 03:20:52: Reply from lorwp: [2024-07-23 02:57:54.579] GAME-SAY: LizeLive/(Pugnat Pro Sagittarius) (mob_4016) (DEAD) "ghost tell the ai they if they don't borg me they will be found out." (Robotics Lab (123,112,2))<br />
<br />
Yeah sorry, i don't believe you. This is more or less grief here, you've intentionally go out of your way to potentially ruin their malf round.<br />
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I'm going to be applying a ghost role ban permanently which you can appeal at your discretion, and a dayban from the server for this. This is not okay behavior.
2024-07-23 03:23:43: Client disconnected
2024-07-23 03:23:44: <a>Lorwp</a>/(Isnt-That-Creative) has created a temporary 1 day server ban for LizeLive.
2024-07-23 03:23:44: Resolved by Lorwp
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I'm willing to lower this to 3 months, primarily to save the hassle of having to go through an appeal later. Anything other than that will have to be the result of a headmin review.

[lizelive]

I'm sorry, but i don't agree that this was a threat, nor does anyone else i've asked for their 2c on this.

I agree: in retrospect the first time AI visited is rude but not a threat. But that's not what lead to me being unliked. It was "what they say later" during second visit after I agreed to be a linked borg that ultimately resulted in it.

While the what they say later could be considered a threat:

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You knew you had a serious conflict of interest from a previous life there which would lead to issues if you were to become a unsynced borg.

I would have had to be using metainfo, and would have been against the rules.

I don't see the discrepancy from what I have said here to our conversation in the ticket.

About second AI: I didn't know IC that there was a second AI until I had agreed to link to the first one. Wasn't explicitly talked about until robo started setting up unlinked. They were both on holo pads, and keeping track of what I knew at that point was hard. With hindsight and without confusion and pressure of the moment, I would have linked to Thesus. At the time I thought they had both threatened me, as apparently the roboticist did as well.

something I want to understand is

the end result is the same, regardless of the chain of events that happened there

I think what happened was a shame that resulted from role play. In future will avoid this kind of situation but would like to learn the most possible from mistakes.

Please point me at the point where I messed up so I can reflect, understand, grow, and serve my 3-month ghost ban.

[lorwp]

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Please point me at the point where I messed up so I can reflect, understand, grow, and serve my 3-month ghost ban.

I guess the main thing here really is just, i think your bias towards the AI affected your decision making in robotics, leading to this.

I think you should've slowed down and considered your options here, versus immediately getting upset at the AI (very reasonably) trying to make you a borg instead of anything else here. You knew what you were getting into from the moment you took the posibrain role.

I'm happy to lower this to three months, if that's all good with you then.

[lizelive]

Reading your response, it is reasonable. I will implement following change myself:

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when playing ghost role, privately use metaknowledge to avoid interfering with an antagonist's round, especially one who killed me

This is currently in violation of Rule 2. Do not use information gained outside of in-character means. but I opened a policy thread to change that viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36463.

We all have bias. Measuring and being aware of these is hard, especially in real time. In post, trying to find bias, it would come from fact I had been denied being mech in past life seems to have boosted how sensitive I was to not getting to being denied. I am unsure how to detect bias in real time. I think it is unreasonable to expect players to always be able to predict enough of the complex interaction between others, gameplay, policy with enough accuracy to determine if they will negatively impact someone else experience to point of rule 1. Especially when silicones get involved. Getting your proposal codified as a precedent will solve this.

In short, I followed the rules and would have had to break the rules to follow your solution to avoid the chain of events. My behavior, while not malicious, was negligent and wrong. I have shared plan and started a policy thread to avoid repeat.

Do still need to set the note. Here is a proposal :

Got killed as the RD by a malf AI, returned as a posibrain and used the ai being rudely ordering them to be borg to convince the roboticist not to sync them. Should have given AI leeway to avoid interfering with round.

[lorwp]

I've lowered the ban to a little under three months, i'll have a look at the proposed amended note later, but on a skim it does feel like it leaves out some information about the ban here.

[lorwp]

Reading your response, it is reasonable. I will implement following change myself:

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when playing ghost role, privately use metaknowledge to avoid interfering with an antagonist's round, especially one who killed me

This is currently in violation of Rule 2. Do not use information gained outside of in-character means. but I opened a policy thread to change that viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36463.

We all have bias. Measuring and being aware of these is hard, especially in real time. In post, trying to find bias, it would come from fact I had been denied being mech in past life seems to have boosted how sensitive I was to not getting to being denied. I am unsure how to detect bias in real time. I think it is unreasonable to expect players to always be able to predict enough of the complex interaction between others, gameplay, policy with enough accuracy to determine if they will negatively impact someone else experience to point of rule 1. Especially when silicones get involved. Getting your proposal codified as a precedent will solve this.

In short, I followed the rules and would have had to break the rules to follow your solution to avoid the chain of events. My behavior, while not malicious, was negligent and wrong. I have shared plan and started a policy thread to avoid repeat.

Do still need to set the note. Here is a proposal :

Got killed as the RD by a malf AI, returned as a posibrain and used the ai being rudely ordering them to be borg to convince the roboticist not to sync them. Should have given AI leeway to avoid interfering with round.

I've took the day ot review this, and i'm not really interested in amending the note at this time. I don't believe based on the discussion we've had that the note is factually incorrect in any way here.

Feel free to let me know if i'm mistaken here, but i don't see it from this post.

[lorwp]

This has been inactive for more than a week, so i'm going to lock and move it.