GamerAndYeahMick - Schuggi999: Ban Baiting?

[Schuggi999]

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BYOND account: Schuggi999

Ban/note type (Check what applies):
() - Server Ban
() - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban

Ban/note length: 1 Day
Ban/note reason: Banbaiting
Time ban was placed:2024-07-17 20:01:16
Server you were playing on when banned:Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed:232252

Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban was unjustifiably harsh


Why should this appeal be accepted?:

I had the Captains Stamp in my possesion. So i made a note just one sentence "[some guy] needs to be executed immediatly - the Captain". The HoS put me in Perma for this. I tought this was a little harsh. Wich is resonable (no jokes allowed).
I made a Ahelp. I did not explicitly mention the note. Because how is this relevant? Its just a little prank. Like if he had asked about it form the get go ok? I said this guys [HoS] should get a job ban because he put me out of the game for a prank.
IDK admin tought i was sceming or something...
So i got a ban and permad before that. Not very fair if you ask me...

[Justice12354]

Admins and Schuggi999 may find the full ticket here.

[GamerAndYeahMick]

To prove my point I will now post the ahelp logs

[2024-07-17 19:51:43.551] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): What is is this HoS he put me in perma for possesing the captain stamp?
[2024-07-17 19:51:44.314] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): What is is this HoS he put me in perma for possesing the captain stamp? - heard by 4 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[2024-07-17 19:52:36.828] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman)->Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): How did you come to possess the stamp?
[2024-07-17 19:53:29.224] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): Someone broke into the Captains office. not me tho..#ITs just tresspassing. ##Any resonable person would put like 5 min in briig
[2024-07-17 19:54:52.007] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman)->Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): So it was only because you had the stamp?
[2024-07-17 19:55:09.085] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): Yes, trespassing maybe.
[2024-07-17 19:55:21.633] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): But the cap office was already open
[2024-07-17 19:37:37.785] PAPER: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis) wrote to paper: "Hvax Korvax must be Executed immediatly! - The Captain"" (Brig Overlook (110,176,4))
[2024-07-17 19:56:27.711] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman)->Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): So you didn't use the stamp or anything?
[2024-07-17 19:56:56.293] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): I made a paper with it? Is that a big deal
[2024-07-17 19:57:50.203] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): I even wrote "its 100% real". dude should get jobban..
[2024-07-17 19:57:53.529] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman)->Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): [2024-07-17 19:37:37.785] PAPER: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis) wrote to paper: "Hvax Korvax must be Executed immediatly! - The Captain"
[2024-07-17 19:58:22.419] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): Its a joke dude. He would need to be very dumb to follow trough because it hat a stamp
[2024-07-17 19:58:35.076] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): Cant even make joke anymore
[2024-07-17 20:00:53.649] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman)->Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): You have intentionally misrepresented this story or omitted facts to get the HoS banned, this is ban baiting, I am now going to ban you for a day
[2024-07-17 20:01:18.384] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): I did what? Wrinting something on a paper is bannable?

- Banned after this

Ok so chiefly you first said:

[2024-07-17 19:51:43.551] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): What is is this HoS he put me in perma for possesing the captain stamp?

- Lie number 1

But you were aware there was more to the story, the HoS had this to say to you before they put you in perma

[2024-07-17 19:47:49.510] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "You forged the paper calling for the execution of a crewmember" (Security Office (108,185,4))
[2024-07-17 19:47:52.962] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "This is attempted murder" (Security Office (108,185,4))
[2024-07-17 19:48:36.414] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "Whoops I'm lost" (Brig Overlook (119,173,4))
[2024-07-17 19:48:42.101] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "Anyways" (Brig (102,173,3))
[2024-07-17 19:48:50.131] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "Warden, we got a new perma prisoner" (Brig (102,173,3))
[2024-07-17 19:48:55.149] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "Process them" (Brig (102,173,3))
[2024-07-17 19:49:16.858] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "Process them" (Brig (102,173,3))
[2024-07-17 19:49:21.397] GAME-EMOTE: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) points at Bozo D'Avis (Brig (102,173,3))

So right off the bat you aren't giving me the full story, then when I press you further

[2024-07-17 19:54:52.007] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman)->Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): So it was only because you had the stamp?
[2024-07-17 19:55:09.085] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): Yes, trespassing maybe. - Lie number 2
[2024-07-17 19:55:21.633] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): But the cap office was already open

You had another opportunity here to tell the actual full story .

You then said in response to me showing you the log of the paper you created with

[2024-07-17 19:56:56.293] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): I made a paper with it? Is that a big deal
[2024-07-17 19:57:50.203] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): I even wrote "its 100% real". dude should get jobban..

- Asking for someone to be banned after misrepresenting the story

In conclusion, you have clearly omitted facts from the ahelp and misrepresented the story, and actually just straight up lying when pressed further, you then stated that the HoS should be job banned, the mere fact that you did something like this (create the paper to get someone killed using the captains stamp as a forgery) then ahelped in the first place is already quite a solid foundation to ban you for ban baiting but the cherry on top is the omission and deception, appeal denied

EDIT: Logs taken from https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/terry/ ... 2/game.log
EDIT 2: Added this missed log [2024-07-17 19:47:52.962] GAME-SAY: AccountName5/(Michael Holdeman) (mob_3396) "This is attempted murder" (Security Office (108,185,4))

[Schuggi999]

Ommiting Facts and not writing an Essay about something is a different story.
I did not lie i just was not aware that the letter would be such a important point.
Its just a dumb letter, wich is why i made the ticket in the first place.
So "more to the story" is not a thing that i would consider for such a minor point.

I could have written a longer paragraph but i was outraged and quiet franky tought that stuff would be clearyfied in the ticket (wich actually happend?).

You talked with the Hos about this, asked him?
You knew the facts still you played dumb, accusing me of lying.

For me possessing the Stamp was the ONLY reason why he had the right to put me into anywhere. You cant put someone into brig for writing a letter that was clearly a joke. When i handed it over i even said "This is 100% real".

The stupid letter didnt even come to mind when writing the ticket.

I even asked for only AFTER you asked about the letter so what up with that?
[2024-07-17 19:56:27.711] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman)->Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis): So you didn't use the stamp or anything?
[2024-07-17 19:56:56.293] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): I made a paper with it? Is that a big deal
[2024-07-17 19:57:50.203] GAME-COMPAT: ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ticket #13: Schuggi999/(Bozo D'Avis)->GamerAndYeahMick/(John Burgerman): I even wrote "its 100% real". dude should get jobban..

Look at the timestamp dude.. You kinda counter your own argument with the quote.

Even if i was trying to trick you, you knew everything when i said "he should get jobban".
Wich i said out of frustration, wich was very much within reason.

Apart from that the actual subject of my ticket was never touched, you cant just oneside this whole thing....

Please call a headmin... you are too paranoid to deal with this.

[GamerAndYeahMick]

Head admins are free to look if they want but you clearly did lie by saying yes when I asked "It was only because you had the stamp?", I tried to ask you neutrally a few times to see if you would voluntarily offer up more information, which you didn't, I had to extract it, I had to look at logs and volunteer them to get more info, you also misrepresented why you got permad in the initial part of the ticket whilst being fully aware of the actual reason because you were told!

I did not lie i just was not aware that the letter would be such a important point.

This is clearly not true because as I said before and showed you the logs the hos explicitly told you why you got gulagged and you completely misrepresented that reason. Even if I was to be very very very very very very super charitable and say you are not being vague on purpose, it is still banbaiting because you done something bad (could've got someone killed with that stamp gag) then ahelped when the hos placed you under arrest validly and suggested they should be jobbanned for permaing you over something valid.

Still not changing my mind, just a heads up that head admins will likely reply after your ban expires

[dragomagol]

I dunno if you're being intentionally obtuse or not, but that's a pretty big detail to omit (impersonation > trespass) and then demand someone get a job ban for. You should have taken your lumps from security for impersonating the captain, writing a note that someone should be executed, and using a stolen item of the captain's to officiate it. And you should probably take a day to reflect on what this ban is for.