[MSO] Stats 2 Electric Bugalloo

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[MSO] Stats 2 Electric Bugalloo

Post by Somepan » #731183

Discord account: niku.somepan

Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(x) - Server Ban

Ban/note length: Permanent
Ban/note reason: defending the marginalization of victims of childhood sexual abuse with fbi crime stats
Time ban was placed: 19:43 utc+2 26/06/2024


Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
(x) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh


Why should this appeal be accepted?:

MSO banned me because i wrote following a 1 hour ban i wrote :

Also to address you banning people from bringing up stats:

"Bringing up demographics are overrepresented in stats isn't inherently bigoted, black people are overrepresented in crimes, yes, but bringing it up isn't bigoted until your imply that they're inherently more criminal.
In truth black people are just overrepresented in poorer communities as a consequence of slavery and segregation and are in consequence, doing more crime, cus poor people do more crime.
Those neighbourghoods are also overpoliced because they are seen as the source of crimes, so more crime gets caught there.

This is also true for crime stats for men, men aren't inherently more capable of killing or beating others people, but some societal factors are definitly impact that. And ignoring that because it's an uneasy reality is dumb."
In response to this he posted this ultimatum
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I'd like to point out that at 7 i had my first sexual experience with a teenaged woman who was 6 years older than me. She hit me up 3 years ago, when i 17, i didn't want to meet her, i felt bad about it.
At the time of the initial interaction i still thought i was a boy, so you know, wrong person to tell this MSO.

Being a statistical anomaly doesn't make you any less of a victim, you shouldn't have been raped, that shit shouldn't happen, and i feel compassion towards you, i never at any point stated otherwise. Mso has decided that because i said that stats matters to analyze societal trends and how to fix those issues, i thought otherwise, this is wrong.
Being a minority is hard in any case, wether it's a minority in the case of sexual assault, or rape, or simply sexuality. That will always be the case, does that mean that we should say that everyone does things in equivalent proportions ? Or suffers every experience at the same rates ? No.
It's important to identify problematic behavior exhibited by certain groups, because then you can try to rectify them by affecting the source.
If black people commit more crime because black people are more poor, aid the poor to not have to thieve to live, or help black people be less poor, and the crime rates for black people will go down.






Nothing is stopping you from upholding this ban, ultimatly it's your call. But i will not say that we should swipe stats under the mat because they're uncomfortable.
But you don't need to say that to fight the people who go "41%" or "Despite X being of the population they commit Y of the crimes". Because the issue with those people is that misattribute the causes, not that the stats exist.


I will not say sorry to prevent this ban from being upheld because i think you are fundamentally wrong, i swallowed my pride before to say sorry, and i don't regret as it has allowed me to interact with more people. But i won't do it again. Either you admit this ban is garbage, or i'll happily remained banned.

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Re: [MSO] Stats 2 Electric Bugalloo

Post by ABearInTheWoods » #731193

calling men who were sexually abused as a child by women a "statistical anomaly" when 3 of the 7 people who were active in polcon at the time relayed stories about that exact situation is tasteless and a good away to ensure i don't take your appeal seriously.

Calling me and what i went thru a "statistical anomaly" is even worse.

Im rejecting this appeal and inviting you to try again in 24 hours in a new appeal when you can do so without calling victims of childhood sex abuse "statistical anomalies".
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Re: [MSO] Stats 2 Electric Bugalloo

Post by ABearInTheWoods » #731194

To help you out, here is how i see the ban and justified it to the headmins
i've permabanned niku/somepan/childblender from the discord for a complex and hard to discuss/read about situation that will likely hit your desk.

conversation happens about how depictions of people being pedophiles always seems to have an odd gendered tint to them.

somebody justifies this with fbi crime stats, they get a time out.

this all leads polcon to start trauma bonding over childhood sexual abuse they experienced at the hands of women in their youth, sparked from the conversation about how they are unrecognized by society from above

niku comes off an unrelated time out and posts a manifesto, which includes at the end, a justification for the first timed out person bringing up those stats.

I decided that justifying the erasure of male victims of women WHILE MEN ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF TALKING ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES IN THAT NATURE is fucking disgusting and give her the chance to apologize for that part of her super wall of text. (discord attached it as a .txt) or i would permaban her. she choose permaban
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