[higgin] insertgoodnamehere - noted for executing acting cap who gave them hms

[insertgoodnamehere]

Insertgoodnamehere:

Minor severity note
No expiration date
MRP] RPR4/RPR6. As a non-antag doctor, led medical staff in hunting down an acting captain traitor that had given them HMS previously. Implicitly deputized by security to do so, but the arrest ultimately led to the traitor's death, revival, and execution when the HoS deferred to the group that had captured, killed, and then revived the traitor. Messy situation, but player reflects that more clearly communicating being deputized and announcing something like a 'citizen's arrest' would help in the future - acting as security as non-security means following through acting as security when you're being proactive about a threat. Understanding and reflective in ticket.:
Manuel:
226858:
- The ban/note is not against the rules

Why should this appeal be accepted?:
I believe this was a IC issue as the acting captain traitor gave my character a life altering disease with no cure that erases them from the timeline. additionally the hos (John Mcdough) was asked what should be done with the captain and eventually said he didn't care what happened with the captain

07:28:51 SAY Screm_boi/(John Mcdough) (mob_3342) "at this point i really dont care for what you do with him, but i will still act according to the law" (147, 114, 4) Medbay Treatment Center

additionally another sec officer made a guillotine in medbay for the captains execution
07:14:25 SAY Squiddily/(Kanaya Kanon) (mob_3133) "I'm gonna make a guillotine." (141, 116, 4) Medbay Treatment Center
A couple things i would like to note is that
- I had no access to security or perma i was only given a baton
- the acting captain had said nothing during the entire process if the captain wanted to be put in perma instead of executed i would have attempted to perma them

In conclusion this situation was a complete mess but i believe i was in the right to kill the captain for giving me hms (arguably worse then death in a lot of cases) Once the captain was killed then revived the hos stated they didn't care what happened with the acting cap meanwhile a different officer built a guillotine for the captains execution.

[Higgin]

what i'm seeing here is that you did some due diligence towards getting permission, they hurt you, personally, directly, and so you got back at them w/ security gear and the help of the rest of medical - after that, without cuffs and then getting beaten down, they ultimately end up getting beheaded. do I have the picture there?
higgin ➡ insertgoodnamehere
2024-04-08T07:59:01
thats about right i thought they were a station wide threat when they probably were
insertgoodnamehere ➡ higgin
2024-04-08T08:00:18
personally i feel freally bad about not bringing cuff i didnt want him to get beat into crit like that additonally i probably should have said its a citzen arrest or somelthing like that
insertgoodnamehere ➡ higgin
2024-04-08T08:00:58
you're allowed to hunt people that wrong you, but you need to do it within the procedures for security when it's not an immediate or global threat, or they haven't damn sure done one of the things that can merit an immediate execution - I know you know security policy quite well enough to have played a lot of it without incident
higgin ➡ insertgoodnamehere
2024-04-08T08:03:39
did you recruit the rest of medical to help you out, or was it the same crowd with which you'd gotten the baton and first gone to sec?
higgin ➡ insertgoodnamehere
2024-04-08T08:04:30
it was the same two pretty much ttilton saw cap give me hms so i needed to bring him to sec to prove cap did it and emerald helped me out with the hms besides that it was no other medical staff
insertgoodnamehere ➡ higgin
2024-04-08T08:05:20
we tried to get sec attention several times on the matter( i probably could have done this better) additonally hos was asked about exection or perma and he kinda said to do whatever
insertgoodnamehere ➡ higgin
2024-04-08T08:06:27
right. a lot of things got out of control there, but that seems like a good takeaway - communicating that you're deputized and acting as sec helps keep the tone of the whole thing more likely to stay within sec policy overall.
higgin ➡ insertgoodnamehere
2024-04-08T08:11:19
gotcha
insertgoodnamehere ➡ higgin
2024-04-08T08:11:53
thanks for sticking around to help hash that out, hope the rest of your evening goes well - I'll leave a note saying that we talked about this, but it's an understandable set of steps you took and probably more than a lot of people have before from what I've read
higgin ➡ insertgoodnamehere
2024-04-08T08:13:41
ok that seems reasonable enough
insertgoodnamehere ➡ higgin
2024-04-08T08:14:39
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2024-04-08T08:19:51
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2024-04-08T08:19:52
Higgin/(Higgin) has created a note for Insertgoodnamehere[MRP] RPR4/RPR6. As a non-antag doctor, led medical staff in hunting down an acting captain traitor that had given them HMS previously. Implicitly deputized by security to do so, but the arrest ultimately led to the traitor's death, revival, and execution when the HoS deferred to the group that had captured, killed, and then revived the traitor. Messy situation, but player reflects that more clearly communicating being deputized and announcing something like a 'citizen's arrest' would help in the future - acting as security as non-security means following through acting as security when you're being proactive about a threat. Understanding and reflective in ticket.
higgin ➡ insertgoodnamehere
2024-04-08T08:20:40
hope the rest of it goes well for you, ganbatte
higgin ➡ insertgoodnamehere
2024-04-08T08:21:49
Resolved by Higgin
higgin ➡ Admins

going back over it, I think this is a totally fair appeal, and I lost sight of the extent to which the 'dead dog' precedent applied to your situation -
they escalated against you by giving you HMS (which can just flatly round remove you by snapping you from the timeline,)
you went after them as a victim rather than just going out of your way to act as security,
and the other people who came along with you were responsible for their own actions.

I think this was a poor interpretation of your actions on my part - even on MRP, there's nothing that requires you to be charitable, proportionate, or less than lethal in going back after the people who've already done as good as murder you. IC issue.

I'm glad to remove the note - unless you've got any questions or stuff you'd like to have shared out here, I'll close the thread after giving a few days to be seen and update it when I log on to make the removal.

thanks for being willing to bring it up, and sorry for the hassle

[Higgin]

Note removed.

[insertgoodnamehere]

No worries i think i honestly skilled issued hard during the ticket glad this could be resolved feel free to close the thread whenever