[Cheshify] Captain Cometbilge - "Explosive" cannonballs

[James566]

BYOND account: James566
Character name: Captain Cometbilge
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: (MRP) As a space pirate during evacuation, chose to fire explosive shells into the shuttles instead of doing anything else, apparently in order to kidnap people.
Time ban was placed: 2023-05-25 04:52:08
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: Round 206851
Your side of the story: I spawned as a pirate, i moved my ship to face the cannons toward the escape shuttle, then i went to the middle of the ship did a SpongeBob Capitan bit, fired four cannonballs to break open the escape shuttle to steal id's and kidnap people after firing four cannonballs i stoped fireing them shouted "lets board them!" pointed toward the shuttle and then had my entire crew gibbed by an admin and i got bowiked for fireing explosive cannonballs which i didn't.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I was noted for something that i didn't do, i have no reason to have this note as i didn't do what the note says i did.

Here are some of the logs i could find proving my innocence, i couldn't find the logs where i pick up items.

Admeme note appeal.txt

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[Archie700]

Ok, so it's unknown what which pirate actually loaded each cannon with what, since I couldn't retrieve them from logs, but from the attack logs of 206851

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04:44:13	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:15	ATTACK	James566/(Captain Cometbilge) fired a cannon	(139, 34, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:25	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:33	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:33	ATTACK	James566/(Captain Cometbilge) fired a cannon	(139, 35, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:37	ATTACK	Themicrowave/(Katherine McTagger) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(171, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:37	ATTACK	Cadunkus/(Matty M.) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(175, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:42	ATTACK	James566/(Captain Cometbilge) fired a cannon	(139, 35, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:46	ATTACK	LacunaTrickster/(Makura Lorust) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(168, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:46	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:46	ATTACK	Frozio/(Issac Hill) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(169, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:46	ATTACK	Blacklist897/(Alexander Moore) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(171, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:49	ATTACK	Cadunkus/(Matty M.) has been shot by the cannon with the explosive shell	(170, 37, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:51	ATTACK	James566/(Captain Cometbilge) fired a cannon	(139, 34, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:54	ATTACK	Lufferly/(Samuel Lloyd) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(162, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:55	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:45:01	ATTACK	James566/(Captain Cometbilge) fired a cannon	(139, 35, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:45:02	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:45:06	ATTACK	ZeroKelvn/(space carp (219)) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(169, 37, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:45:07	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman

And game logs

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04:44:27	GAME	Explosion with size (2, 3, 4, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (152,37,2)). Possible cause: the explosive shell. Last fingerprints: [Projectile firer: *null*].		
04:44:34	GAME-EMOTE	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) points at the explosive shellballs	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:34	GAME-EMOTE	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) points at the explosive shellballs	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:36	GAME	Explosion with size (2, 3, 4, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (161,37,2)). Possible cause: the explosive shell. Last fingerprints: [Projectile firer: *null*].		
04:44:49	GAME	Explosion with size (2, 3, 4, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (170,37,2)). Possible cause: the explosive shell. Last fingerprints: [Projectile firer: *null*].		

At least three explosive shells was used, probably not by you.

One in particular gibbed a person.

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04:44:50	GAME	*no key*/(Matty M.) *no key*/(Matty M.) is no longer owning mob Matty M.(/mob/living/carbon/human)	(170, 37, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:50	GAME-ACCESS	Mob Login: Cadunkus/(Matty M.) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain		

It does track that each time a shuttle was hit by an explosive shell, Gunner Solarhlem/GorgleBing was firing just before, when combining the logs.

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04:44:25	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:27	GAME	Explosion with size (2, 3, 4, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (152,37,2)). Possible cause: the explosive shell. Last fingerprints: [Projectile firer: *null*].		
04:44:33	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:33	ATTACK	James566/(Captain Cometbilge) fired a cannon	(139, 35, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:34	GAME-EMOTE	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) points at the explosive shellballs	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:34	GAME-EMOTE	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) points at the explosive shellballs	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:36	GAME	Explosion with size (2, 3, 4, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (161,37,2)). Possible cause: the explosive shell. Last fingerprints: [Projectile firer: *null*].
04:44:37	ATTACK	Themicrowave/(Katherine McTagger) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(171, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
04:44:37	ATTACK	Cadunkus/(Matty M.) has been shot by the cannon with the cannonball	(175, 34, 2)	Emergency Shuttle		
04:44:46	ATTACK	GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) fired a cannon	(140, 37, 2)	Flying Dutchman
04:44:49	GAME	Explosion with size (2, 3, 4, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (170,37,2)). Possible cause: the explosive shell. Last fingerprints: [Projectile firer: *null*].		

Also the third pirate, Mate Pulsarhelm/Sakke03 was never involved in firing the cannons according to logs, even though they were similarly gibbed.

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04:45:13	GAME-COMPAT	ADMIN: Cheshify/(Cera Beruse) punished James566/(Captain Cometbilge) with Gib.		
04:45:13	GAME-COMPAT	ADMIN: Cheshify/(Cera Beruse) punished *no key*/(Captain Cometbilge) with Gib.		
04:45:14	GAME-COMPAT	ADMIN: Cheshify/(Cera Beruse) punished GorgleBing/(Gunner Solarhelm) with Gib.		
04:45:22	GAME-COMPAT	ADMIN: Cheshify/(Cera Beruse) punished Sakke03/(Mate Pulsarhelm) with Gib.	

[Vekter]

Chesh is aware of this and will respond when they're feeling less like warmed-over death.

[James566]

I just saw the xyz cords you can see that the coords for the explosive ones dont match up from where im standing, but do match where gunner is, i guess that proves my innocence enough right?

[Cheshify]

So I still feel like soggy cardboard but I'm going to try to vocalize my issue with all of this while I'm lucid.

Pirates are restricted antags on MRP, their general objectives and playstyle revolve around stealing things. Broadsiding the emergency shuttle, the lack of communication with your team that you were to kidnap people, and using explosives all read as actions taken to maximise the killcount on the shuttle.

I've seen pirates spawn late and rush the shuttle immediately to grief it by killing as many people as possible, and due to your IC logs, I believe that was the plan. I don't think that you genuinely believed that you could get on the shuttle in the last two minutes of the round and extract living survivors to ransom.

Either way, that supports the gibbing and telling you to knock it off, but the note is inaccurate. I'll remove it.

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Also yeah I kinda fucked up with gibbing that third guy. It was an action taken at the time to prevent further grief that I believe benefited the round. They were in crit, but that's not much of an excuse. Sorry.

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Edit:
Just to sum up how I feel. The note isn't accurate so it's being removed. I still call bullshit on the pirates actually trying to kidnap people and not greeding for a killcount, very lame regardless.

[EmpressMaia]

Pirates have a double hijack speed. Noting this here as it seems pirates are intended to hijack the shuttle. Thus damaging the shuttle seems fine in the codes eyes

[Cheshify]

Pirates have a double hijack speed. Noting this here as it seems pirates are intended to hijack the shuttle. Thus damaging the shuttle seems fine in the codes eyes

Code isn't policy, and they never said anything about hijacking.

[Cheshify]

Alright so I'm choosing to agree with "feeling awful me" and i've removed the note since it wasn't accurate, though I had full reason to believe so at the time considering the half-used pile of explosive cannons. I do also agree with my previous statement that this was kinda just lame behavior in general, and I don't believe your plan was to hijack/kidnap people/not try to rack up the highest kill count possible.

Note's gone.

[James566]

Alright so I'm choosing to agree with "feeling awful me" and i've removed the note since it wasn't accurate, though I had full reason to believe so at the time considering the half-used pile of explosive cannons. I do also agree with my previous statement that this was kinda just lame behavior in general, and I don't believe your plan was to hijack/kidnap people/not try to rack up the highest kill count possible.

Note's gone.

Thanks for removing the note, hope you feel better soon.

[Cheshify]

Alright so I'm choosing to agree with "feeling awful me" and i've removed the note since it wasn't accurate, though I had full reason to believe so at the time considering the half-used pile of explosive cannons. I do also agree with my previous statement that this was kinda just lame behavior in general, and I don't believe your plan was to hijack/kidnap people/not try to rack up the highest kill count possible.

Note's gone.

Thanks for removing the note, hope you feel better soon.

Appreciated, I'll wrap this up.