[POLL] Robotics to science

[firecage]

Basically, this is what I want to do. I want to remove the roboticist job slots, expand science job slots by 2, and make robotics into general scientist access. Currently Robotics is the only odd one out, because other than that Science is a multi-department-one-job thing.

[Jeb]

Then remove genetics and make it a science or medical slot. Robutticists are fine as is.

[firecage]

Good idea Jeb!

[DemonFiren]

Always figured Robuttics for the bastard lovechild of Sci and Engy.

[Balut]

As long as they get to keep the badass jumpsuits which are probably a reference to something that I am not aware of. Except for... I think Penny having fanart of wearing one, I guess.

I am mentally resistant against the idea of homogenizing Geneticists and MDs but fuck it I can't come up with a good reason not to. That would mean RD would lose jurisdiction over Genetics, right?

[Snakebutt]

Give them both jurisdiction over Genetics. Some departmental conflict could lead to some fun RP as the CMO wants Xray, but the RD stole the boards and demands 4 large beakers of acid and the hypo before giving them back.

Interdepartmental jobs seem interesting in concept, leave roboticist but add slight engineering access, geneticist is a med/sci hybrid. After all, every department is assigned a sec officer, which is a similar concept and it works quite well when they don't patrol/hunt traitors.

[soulgamer]

Basically, this is what I want to do. I want to remove the roboticist job slots, expand science job slots by 2, and make robotics into general scientist access. Currently Robotics is the only odd one out, because other than that Science is a multi-department-one-job thing.

I like this. Robotics having access to 90% of science but scientists not having access the other way was shit and this fixes it. Now just fold genetics research into R&D and have the cloner be medic access.

[cedarbridge]

Except it doesn't really work that way. Robotics has access to the science hallway (but no departments other than R&D ~not a fan of this anyway~) and science gets no access to robotics. I kinda like the concept of robotics kinda being its own island for balance reasons.

[Phalanx300]

I'd be all for combining more jobs where it makes sense. It essentially gives people more things to do.

I'd say:

Atmos to Engineering.
Detective to Security.
Genetics to Medbay(cloning) and Science (genestuff).

Really you can still get the old clothing or whatever, there really is no point to not combine the jobs to make more sense. What are the downsides of combining? Because I can't really think of any.

[miggles]

the downsides are that it removes individuality for no reason and fucks with the balance of having certain job slots
think of how easy rnd would be if every scientist, not just the RD, could make mech parts
and how atmos would NEVER be set up and there would never be anyone responding to atmos alarms because now everyone is an engineer and its "not their job to fuck with that"
or how the actual purpose of the detective would be totally negated because everyone in security can just scan everything and find out whodunnit instantly
and that everyone being able to clone removes half of the entire point of being a geneticist, while the other half goes to scientists who DO NOT BENEFIT RESEARCH AT ALL by doing genetics
theres a reason there are separated jobs like this, so that people can fill a niche without having so much to do that they do nothing, and without trivializing important inconveniences or balance issues
saying "i cant think of any downsides!" is such a stupid argument when you dont even try

[Phalanx300]

the downsides are that it removes individuality for no reason and fucks with the balance of having certain job slots
think of how easy rnd would be if every scientist, not just the RD, could make mech parts
and how atmos would NEVER be set up and there would never be anyone responding to atmos alarms because now everyone is an engineer and its "not their job to fuck with that"
or how the actual purpose of the detective would be totally negated because everyone in security can just scan everything and find out whodunnit instantly
and that everyone being able to clone removes half of the entire point of being a geneticist, while the other half goes to scientists who DO NOT BENEFIT RESEARCH AT ALL by doing genetics
theres a reason there are separated jobs like this, so that people can fill a niche without having so much to do that they do nothing, and without trivializing important inconveniences or balance issues
saying "i cant think of any downsides!" is such a stupid argument when you dont even try

You remove individuality when you start making more and more jobs. As every extra job removes content from another. Look at current Science people just divide the roles between themselves. How gullible to assume it can't work without even giving it a shot.

[miggles]

do you know what the word individuality even means?
it is the exact opposite of what you're saying it means.
jesus christ.

[Steelpoint]

I disagree with merging the Robotics role with the Scientist role. That's giving way too much power to a single job role. Scientists already have a lot of content and power at their fingertips as it stands.

[cedarbridge]

the downsides are that it removes individuality for no reason and fucks with the balance of having certain job slots
think of how easy rnd would be if every scientist, not just the RD, could make mech parts
and how atmos would NEVER be set up and there would never be anyone responding to atmos alarms because now everyone is an engineer and its "not their job to fuck with that"
or how the actual purpose of the detective would be totally negated because everyone in security can just scan everything and find out whodunnit instantly
and that everyone being able to clone removes half of the entire point of being a geneticist, while the other half goes to scientists who DO NOT BENEFIT RESEARCH AT ALL by doing genetics
theres a reason there are separated jobs like this, so that people can fill a niche without having so much to do that they do nothing, and without trivializing important inconveniences or balance issues
saying "i cant think of any downsides!" is such a stupid argument when you dont even try

You remove individuality when you start making more and more jobs. As every extra job removes content from another. Look at current Science people just divide the roles between themselves. How gullible to assume it can't work without even giving it a shot.

By merging robotics and general science you also increase the number of people with access to borg covers manifold. That itself is stupidly unbalancing.

[CocaneStyle]

I'm neutral on whether to merge Robotics but I liked the idea of splitting Genetics, Medbay gets cloning and Science gets DNA Modification. Also on the flip side what about dividing Scientists into specific roles?

[Alex Crimson]

No. Shit like this is always a terrible idea. Its bad enough that Scientists already need to fight over certain jobs in their department. Each area of Science should be its own mini-job that you need to select rather than it being decided after roundstart. Its an annoying clusterfuck and usually ends in one or two Scientists getting shafted.

[Phalanx300]

Have yet to see scientist seriously fighting over acces. By that logic we should divide all science jobs even further...

[AnonymousNow]

When I started playing, robotics was engineering/science sub-department with place at current tcomms and CE and RD were basically never even entering it.

Ah, a wonderful time where your department was long and hard to see, on the quietest corridor in the station...

[Ikarrus]

I'm only going to say no to this because this means science would get tech storage access. Which they will loot every single round for the analyzer because they are lazy, guaranteed.

[Cheridan]

Robotics and Sci each have enough content to make them powerful and interesting roles that stand on their own. There are some jobs which could be merged, but I don't consider those two among them.

[Ikarrus]

Also, play on lowpop (Basil) and this would be true. Roboticists and scientists share access.

[lumipharon]

I propose we remove all job slots and everyone is an all access assistant.

But seriously, the fab no longer has a ID requirement, and you can just hack the door open/break a window/ask the AI to set emergency access on the door etc etc.
Why do we want to remove job diversity, why do we want 7 people crowding into robotics?

[Wyzack]

I'd be all for combining more jobs where it makes sense. It essentially gives people more things to do.

I'd say:

Atmos to Engineering.
Detective to Security.
Genetics to Medbay(cloning) and Science (genestuff).

Really you can still get the old clothing or whatever, there really is no point to not combine the jobs to make more sense. What are the downsides of combining? Because I can't really think of any.

>Getting rid of detective

Oh god please no. I think having a higher variety of job slots keeps it fresh and stops one job from having too much power and access to toys, which science already has a shitload of. This seems like a solution looking for a problem, keep it the way it is.

[Ikarrus]

Everyone saying yes should go here: byond://game.tgstation13.org:2337

Because it's already like that there.

Atmos to Engineering.
Detective to Security.

Also true there.

[Wyzack]

I don't know about atmos, but detective does not have shit for regular sec access. I cant even vend cuffs from the secvendor. If there is no HoP and i am the only security on station i sometimes am forced to enforce the law by beating people up and tossing them in trash bins

[Ikarrus]

I don't know about atmos, but detective does not have shit for regular sec access. I cant even vend cuffs from the secvendor. If there is no HoP and i am the only security on station i sometimes am forced to enforce the law by beating people up and tossing them in trash bins

Well, they will once the server updates. I recently pushed the change.

[Snakebutt]

Everyone saying yes should go here: byond://game.tgstation13.org:2337

Because it's already like that there.

Atmos to Engineering.
Detective to Security.

Also true there.

On top of the detective problem, robotics doesn't have full science access. I've spawned as robotics as only science personel and therefor had to do my own research, but without xenobio access I had no plasma for easy plasma/materials 3.

Plus the only reason things are done this way is becuase of the consistent lowpop so it HAS to be done that way. Tons of shifts where we have like 9 assistants and no service, cargo or sec, 1 engineer, 1 chemist, and some assorted command staff.

[cedarbridge]

Everyone saying yes should go here: byond://game.tgstation13.org:2337

Because it's already like that there.

Atmos to Engineering.
Detective to Security.

Also true there.

On top of the detective problem, robotics doesn't have full science access. I've spawned as robotics as only science personel and therefor had to do my own research, but without xenobio access I had no plasma for easy plasma/materials 3.

Plus the only reason things are done this way is becuase of the consistent lowpop so it HAS to be done that way. Tons of shifts where we have like 9 assistants and no service, cargo or sec, 1 engineer, 1 chemist, and some assorted command staff.

There's always a stick of plasma in the misc testing lab. Which you have access to.

[dezzmont]

Merging robo and science is a pretty bad idea. Scientist as a role already has way too much access to way too much stuff and can pretty effortlessly turn themselves into a chemist-roboticist-geneticist-whatevertheywant without trying. We need to be figuring out ways to make them much less versatile, not ways to make them even more so.

[callanrockslol]

Move robotics back to its old position 2015