veganism is a flawed ideology [serious replies only[

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:23 am #576479

sticky is retarded made you look

Space Panda · Post by **Space Panda** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:25 am #576480

i'm gonna eat you penguin nerd

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:26 am #576481

Space Panda wrote:i'm gonna eat you penguin nerd

oh no my natural predator the fox

Space Panda · Post by **Space Panda** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:26 am #576482

*vores you*

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:27 am #576483

if veganism is right then why are animals carinvores? if killing animals for food is wrong then why can animals kill other animals for food? we're animals too so whats wrong with killing animals for food? its natural

Space Panda · Post by **Space Panda** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:31 am #576484

human technology and society have developed enough so that many can live a good life with barely any need for animal suffering

veganism is about choosing to live that way. avoiding any unnecessary cruelties.

non-sapient animals can't choose, and we can't apply moral standards to them

Tlaltecuhtli · Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:36 am

the only true form of veganism is cannibalism, you only eat evil people while letting cabbages, tomatoes and birds live

Space Panda · Post by **Space Panda** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:36 am #576486

also, saying that something is good because it's natural is not a valid argument

among many cultures, including ours, there are lots of moral values that are based on acting against your animal nature (E.g. monogamy, selflessness, non-violence).

Space Panda · Post by **Space Panda** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:39 am #576487

shit i shouldn't be taking this seriously

i'm gonna go to bed

Stickymayhem · Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:54 am

TheWiznard wrote:sticky is retarded made you look

dammit

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:05 am #576489

Space Panda wrote:shit i shouldn't be taking this seriously

i'm gonna go to bed

me

you

the bait

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:08 am #576490

Space Panda wrote:human technology and society have developed enough so that many can live a good life with barely any need for animal suffering

veganism is about choosing to live that way. avoiding any unnecessary cruelties.

non-sapient animals can't choose, and we can't apply moral standards to them

ant technology and society have developed enough so that many can live a good life with barely any need for animal suffering

veganism is about choosing to live that way. avoiding any unnecessary cruelties.

sapient animals can't choose to be non-sapient, and we can't apply moral standards to them

Stickymayhem · Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:11 am

TheWiznard wrote:
Space Panda wrote:human technology and society have developed enough so that many can live a good life with barely any need for animal suffering

veganism is about choosing to live that way. avoiding any unnecessary cruelties.

non-sapient animals can't choose, and we can't apply moral standards to them
ant technology and society have developed enough so that many can live a good life with barely any need for animal suffering

veganism is about choosing to live that way. avoiding any unnecessary cruelties.

sapient animals can't choose to be non-sapient, and we can't apply moral standards to them

baitposting

Tarchonvaagh · Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:03 am

fox

Lol

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:42 am #576496

Tarchonvaagh wrote:
fox
Lol

true but he still replied

Tarchonvaagh · Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:13 am

TheWiznard wrote:
Tarchonvaagh wrote:
fox
Lol
true but he still replied

Their pfp kinda looks like a fox

Agux909 · Post by **Agux909** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:27 am #576610

meat is delicious

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:41 am #576612

If Vegans didn't have to kill other life to survive, they might have a point. The problem is they don't, they eat Fungi and plants.
If you've ever met people who raise chickens, they will tell you Chickens are stupid. Firstly they can live out the rest of their natural lifespan without a head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
Secondly, they don't have have strong survival instincts, or ability to survive. You can have eagles kill the chicken right next to them, and have the chicken react not by entering the chicken coop, or anywhere else that would be relatively safe from the chicken attacks. Instead they will ignore it, and then get killed themselves. I've heard of stories of chickens drowning to death, because they were standing in a hole when it started raining, and the never thought to move so they drowned to death.

I legitimately believe there are mushrooms that are smarter than chickens. It's more ethical to eat a chicken then shiitake

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:48 am #576613

Collective intelligence doesn’t equate to an increased ability to register and feel discomfort from pain. They register the “fuck this dude just died signal” and try and avoid such things, but to say that fungi/plants are capable of feeling pain in the same way that animals do is ridiculous. If you’re searching for a reason to help you sleep easier after eating a mcchicken, look harder.

IkeTG · Post by **IkeTG** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:55 am #576614

Helios wrote:If Vegans didn't have to kill other life to survive, they might have a point. The problem is they don't, they eat Fungi and plants.
If you've ever met people who raise chickens, they will tell you Chickens are stupid. Firstly they can live out the rest of their natural lifespan without a head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
Secondly, they don't have have strong survival instincts, or ability to survive. You can have eagles kill the chicken right next to them, and have the chicken react not by entering the chicken coop, or anywhere else that would be relatively safe from the chicken attacks. Instead they will ignore it, and then get killed themselves. I've heard of stories of chickens drowning to death, because they were standing in a hole when it started raining, and the never thought to move so they drowned to death.

I legitimately believe there are mushrooms that are smarter than chickens. It's more ethical to eat a chicken then shiitake

ok mushroom simp

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:57 am #576615

That being said, from what I’ve read, it’s common practice to electrically numb them before death, so pain doesn’t really play into it. That leaves you with the quality of life concern: is the animal living a worse life than it’s wild counterparts? Certainly. And yes chickens are retarded, but the same social/intelligent behavior as other animals, some we commonly take as pets, can be observed in them: probably the most notable being play.

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:59 am #576616

Anyways you can go ahead and make fun of me now for making a serious post in a meme thread.

IkeTG · Post by **IkeTG** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:01 am #576617

thank you wesoda i love you

Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:04 am

shut the fuck up..
please..... just
shut the fuck up..........

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:52 am #576622

wesoda25 wrote:That being said, from what I’ve read, it’s common practice to electrically numb them before death, so pain doesn’t really play into it. That leaves you with the quality of life concern: is the animal living a worse life than it’s wild counterparts? Certainly. And yes chickens are retarded, but the same social/intelligent behavior as other animals, some we commonly take as pets, can be observed in them: probably the most notable being play.

>That leaves you with the quality of life concern: is the animal living a worse life than it’s wild counterparts?
You could say the same of mushroom farms, and of actual farms.
Why is factory farming of chickens bad, but factory farming of plants okay? You're killing life either way. Why are they putting the lives of chicken above fungi?

Tarchonvaagh · Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:57 am

I agree with the title

cacogen · Post by **cacogen** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:24 pm #576641

Veganism is a flawed ideology because I passively ignore 99% of human suffering so why would I care about the terrible fate the processed meat source in front of me underwent to give me this moment of fleeting joy amidst the dull misery and ennui~~

Stickymayhem · Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:50 pm

Helios wrote:
wesoda25 wrote:That being said, from what I’ve read, it’s common practice to electrically numb them before death, so pain doesn’t really play into it. That leaves you with the quality of life concern: is the animal living a worse life than it’s wild counterparts? Certainly. And yes chickens are retarded, but the same social/intelligent behavior as other animals, some we commonly take as pets, can be observed in them: probably the most notable being play.
>That leaves you with the quality of life concern: is the animal living a worse life than it’s wild counterparts?
You could say the same of mushroom farms, and of actual farms.
Why is factory farming of chickens bad, but factory farming of plants okay? You're killing life either way. Why are they putting the lives of chicken above fungi?

Valuing life itself has nothing to do with Veganism you seem confused

Are you perhaps mad at jainists instead

Sheodir · Post by **Sheodir** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:44 pm #576656

recent research has shown plants can have reactions similar to pain even without a nervous system

now i'm not using this to argue against veganism per say, this is part of my larger theory

the pain is taste theory

the more you make something hurt the better it tastes

think abaht eeet

The reason grass fed free range cattle tastes better is because despair hits harder when you've known hope

the reason chips are better than boiled is because being fried is way worse than being gently boiled

It all makes sense

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:28 pm #576661

Stickymayhem wrote: Valuing life itself has nothing to do with Veganism you seem confused

Are you perhaps mad at jainists instead

So then why aren't they eating animals? I thought the reasons vegans didn't eat meat was because they valued the lives of animals, and didn't want Nelly cooked and served for breakfast.

Space Panda · Post by **Space Panda** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:30 pm #576662

Helios wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:
Helios wrote:
wesoda25 wrote:That being said, from what I’ve read, it’s common practice to electrically numb them before death, so pain doesn’t really play into it. That leaves you with the quality of life concern: is the animal living a worse life than it’s wild counterparts? Certainly. And yes chickens are retarded, but the same social/intelligent behavior as other animals, some we commonly take as pets, can be observed in them: probably the most notable being play.
>That leaves you with the quality of life concern: is the animal living a worse life than it’s wild counterparts?
You could say the same of mushroom farms, and of actual farms.
Why is factory farming of chickens bad, but factory farming of plants okay? You're killing life either way. Why are they putting the lives of chicken above fungi?
Valuing life itself has nothing to do with Veganism you seem confused

Are you perhaps mad at jainists instead
So then why aren't they eating animals? I thought the reasons vegans didn't eat meat was because they valued the lives of animals, and didn't want Nelly cooked and served for breakfast.

valuing life itself =/= valuing the life and well-being of animals

jesus christ you're dumb

iksyp · Post by **iksyp** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:41 pm #576663

don't go vegan just eat healthier

IkeTG · Post by **IkeTG** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:54 pm #576665

folks so mad at veganism they turn a joke thread into an actual debate

Stickymayhem · Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:57 pm

Helios wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote: Valuing life itself has nothing to do with Veganism you seem confused

Are you perhaps mad at jainists instead
So then why aren't they eating animals? I thought the reasons vegans didn't eat meat was because they valued the lives of animals, and didn't want Nelly cooked and served for breakfast.

The Vegan Society wrote:Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:07 pm

Stickymayhem isnt hurting anyone i dont know why you guys need to attack him when he isn't deliberately going out of his way to be a preachy annoying fartbag

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:26 pm #576676

Sticky and his roving band of vegans killed my parents and sold my siblings into slavery.

Stickymayhem · Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:08 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Stickymayhem isnt hurting anyone i dont know why you guys need to attack him when he isn't deliberately going out of his way to be a preachy annoying fartbag

It's called do gooder derogation and there's actually research on it: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.117 ... 0611415695

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:16 pm

dont get me wrong sticky when you preach about veganism i wanna fart on your mouth but you havent been doing that lately so you're cool and this thread is unnecessary

Space Panda · Post by **Space Panda** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:21 pm #576683

super aggro brap

Lumbermancer · Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:36 pm

Sheodir wrote:the more you make something hurt the better it tastes

No, actually stress very negatively affects the meat quality, its taste. That's why as a hunter you aim for a quick kill.

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:40 am #576720

Super Aggro Crag wrote:dont get me wrong sticky when you preach about veganism i wanna fart on your mouth but you havent been doing that lately so you're cool and this thread is unnecessary

sorry but all my ideas suck so when I type in a letter in the subject bar I see all my old ntr hut thread names and just use those