no more ERP

Hornygranny · Post by **Hornygranny** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:23 am #50410

Bottom post of the previous page:

We are banning ERP and sexual content on a trial basis. Thank you for your cooperation.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:15 am #51422

oranges wrote:Treating us like shit because you're making a change that we think is needless is a dick move.

That goes both ways.

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:26 am #51424

An0n3 wrote:
oranges wrote:Treating us like shit because you're making a change that we think is needless is a dick move.
That goes both ways.

I am pretty sure I didn't treat you like shit when we talked here Anon, you should calm down a bit and come back when you can detach a bit more, it doesn't look like we will get any clarifications on the things we asked, or that the policy will be removed, so, go ahead, take a break, it's hurting the community a lot that a head admin is behaving like that.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:50 am #51439

See:

deathhoof wrote:I think hg and anon3 need to stop browsing tumblr and remember the /tg/ principles on which this server was founded.

Dunno what you're talking about. Things were heated and personal before I even got here. Surely there are some folks in this thread who need to calm it down. I mean come on, coming from the guy who said:

As announced in game, I will start to ignore this policy starting 16/12/2014 17 East time if not one of the head admins that made the rulling clarifies my questions, This doesn't means I will inmediatly go and ERP, I haven't since I created this account, I doubt I will, but I won't held the policy in between of my freedom to roleplay any good damn I want to in a roleplaying game. I will of course, follow all of the other rules that had been presented in a concise and complete way, like the antagonist mass murderboning set by SoS was and all the other rules presented so far.

tl;dr "if I don't like rules or get an explanation I like I"m just going to break them until I get banned"

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:07 am #51450

And then I would get banned, but I still didn't get you treated like shit, just made an statement for the lack of one.

But yes, both sides need to calm a bit, the problem here is that you are a figure of the server, while we are the mob of players.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:27 am #51456

OrbisA wrote:But yes, both sides need to calm a bit, the problem here is that you are a figure of the server, while we are the mob of players.

So we should listen to you and your opinions because you play here, you're part of the community.
But we also shouldn't take anything you say seriously?

You get a free pass to say whatever, and if I or any other admin starts to get equally involved it's a problem?

Does it not suddenly make a lot more sense why the cleanest, best way of doing things from our pespective, with what you just said on the table, might not be just making an announcement and then dropping the mic?

You've kind-of hit the nail on the head of what a no-win situation trying to talk anything over with people lately has turned into, and why you've been hearing (and will probably continue to hear) with an ever increasing frequency answers like "This is how it's going to be end of conversation" stonewall type responses.

I could suddenly decide to make the absolute worst ruling I could think of, and the folks who'll likely earn the most enmity for it are the ones who stick around and try to explain it to people.

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:37 am #51457

I think you are lashing out again, you are an intelligent person and I refuse to acknowlodge that you don't know what I mean.

An admin is a figure people look up to, it's a representant of the server, as you have the power to decide for the server, things like name calling and overly passive agressive attitudes reflect poorly on the reputation of the server, for the same reason it's a worse crime when an admin lies in adminhelps or an admin uses a flamethrower in a crowded area when not playing an antag. Since one of the reasons you are banning ERP it's a reputation factor, you should at least see where I come from this, of course I don't get a free pass for my actions, Saegramir has made it pretty clear I lost my warning chance if I ever ERP, wich is of course, reasonable, considering the gravity of my statement.

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:52 am #51458

Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, the reason you get so much resistance when you try to change things, is because the community doesnt want it changed? If this were polled, and the majority of players agreed that ERP should be banned, then most of us would be fine with it. But you didnt do anything like that. You decided upon it yourself.

Have you ever thought that maybe people are pissed because the headmin they elected is screwing them with his unwanted policy changes, has no desire to actually listen to the community and whos end response to an argument is "if you dont like it you are welcome to leave"?

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:57 am #51460

You opened the thread by stating that

I feel this is just a "Ban free" card for any admin that has a grudge on a player.

without any evidence or context. Is that allegation not immediately "treating people like shit"?

Alex Crimson wrote:Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, the reason you get so much resistance when you try to change things, is because the community doesnt want it changed? If this were polled, and the majority of players agreed that ERP should be banned, then most of us would be fine with it. But you didnt do anything like that. You decided upon it yourself.

Have you ever thought that maybe people are pissed because the headmin they elected is screwing them with his unwanted policy changes, has no desire to actually listen to the community and whos end response to an argument is "if you dont like it you are welcome to leave"?

It's actually not that much resistance, it just seems like a lot sometimes because I actively go out and confront it head on rather than just hiding out and waiting for things to go over. You might be surprised to hear it but there are currently plenty of people happily playing on the server and not ERP'ing with eachother. If you go back and read the early pages of the thread, you'll find a few people who even stopped doing so long enough to come in here and say "this is a good idea thanks for getting rid of this" etc. The Community is a large and nebulous thing and I'm as much a part of it as you are. Don't pretend to speak for all of us.

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:15 am #51464

The reason behind that allegation is becouse of the nature of an ambigious rule, under the hands of people with motives less than noble, could be have used it for such a purpose, that's why I used ' I Feel' and not 'this is clearly'. Remember that admins are people, and as such, not all of them are perfect beings.

But yeah, now that we are talking like civilized people, and you even got here, placed your face and even clarified some things, I will wait and see, maybe we even get better roleplaying out of this, who knows.

But please communicate with us like you did, things like what happened it's just, embarassing, and in my opinion don't do good on the community as a whole.

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:25 am #51469

An0n3 wrote:It's actually not that much resistance, it just seems like a lot sometimes because I actively go out and confront it head on rather than just hiding out and waiting for things to go over. You might be surprised to hear it but there are currently plenty of people happily playing on the server and not ERP'ing with eachother. If you go back and read the early pages of the thread, you'll find a few people who even stopped doing so long enough to come in here and say "this is a good idea thanks for getting rid of this" etc. The Community is a large and nebulous thing and I'm as much a part of it as you are. Don't pretend to speak for all of us.

You arnt not confronting anything. You are pretending to listen when you have no intentions of actually listening or changing your mind. The server is very happy right now. Hell, i was on there having fun watching the Thunderdome event. The server will be perfectly fine with this rule and very little will change. The same is true if you removed it, which is where the issue is. Its not a policy that ever needed to happen in the first place.

I never claimed to speak for everyone, but i would like a chance for everyone to actually vote on this rather than the headmins just doing it without warning.

Fragnostic · Post by **Fragnostic** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:29 am #51472

>RP game
>no ERP

I've never ERP'd, but what is the point of the 18+ server rule anymore then? As "low" a form of RP it may be, these people ARE rolling with whatever you guys throw at them. Yes, maybe their players are poorly developed as they are just "hyoooge slutz xDDD", but they are roleplaying in a roleplayin game that came from a roleplaying community that has text adventures. That's more than what could ever be said for the massive amount of powergamers who don't give two fucks about immersion or player experience. How shitty or distasteful it may be, they aren't as selfish as half of the people who play here, and while a few may not like it, they improve the experience for a lot of us.

Rolan7 · Post by **Rolan7** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:57 am #51499

Alex Crimson wrote:You arnt not confronting anything. You are pretending to listen when you have no intentions of actually listening or changing your mind.

That's ironic. You asked for "any example" of ERP damaging the server, and I pointed one out. I mean, you were obviously blowing smoke... Even new players have heard of the famous ERPers and the disruptions they caused.

You just can't actually justify keeping ERP around. Other servers get along without it just fine. We've already been told that flirting and affection will still be allowed. Just follow /tg/ tradition: Roleplay mature scenarios, maturely.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:34 am #51524

nsos wrote:I think we have entered the era of the internet micromeme- memes that are not designed to have any lasting power, but instead to have a short yet highly potent life before quickly fizzling out.

The true question, now, is this: is our tolerance of memes so high we need them produced exponentially faster, or is the quality of our memes deteriorating?

It's the latter. As our desire to have cool new things that are only "our things", in a world where everyone is increasingly sensitive to them, we have to keep inventing and abandoning things more rapidly to maintain our status as "cool hunters".

It's not that the memes are built to self-destruct it's that we are learning to hate things as old as soon as we learn of them as a preventative measure, just in case we're late to it and to give everyone else the impression that "Oh I've known about this FOREVER it's SO OLD"

I wonder how long it'll be before we start recycling our own old bullshit as ironic irony. "HEY GUYS IS IT CATURDAY YET?" whatever shit.

Sum Ting Wong · Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:40 am

That comic was terrible. You are terrible.

Raven776 · Post by **Raven776** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:44 am #51530

The only reason I don't like this is because I've seen 'being creepy' construed as forceful ERP, especially with dead bodies. I don't know if those were just bad decisions in the past or if kissing a corpse you just murdered on the forehead is going to get you extra hard banned now, but more rules never reads to me well.

Other than that, I will miss the hilarity of walking in on ERPers doing the nasty when the entire station thinks someone's being murdered in the bathroom because bolts are locked.

danno · Post by **danno** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:47 am #51531

Sum Ting Wong wrote:That comic was terrible. You are terrible.

kosmos · Post by **kosmos** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:32 am #51540

Saintish wrote:sos told me erping is allowed in the PDA chatroom
i'm satisfied, guys

If this is true, it should be added to the rules-page.
Right now it just says "8. Erotic Roleplay is not allowed. Consensual ERP should be done elsewhere. Unwelcome ERP will be punished with a permaban.", which is apparently not the whole truth.

Also, just a few simple questions to draw the line so I won't be outright permabanned for being careless, can I:

1. Hug someone?
2. Wink at someone?
3. Kiss someone?
4. Do it "ironically" as the clown, just to get people laugh, e.g. extending my banana, petting it furiously and throwing a banana pie before me while yelling "UUNNFFFF"?

Sum Ting Wong · Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:43 am

An0n3 wrote:I wasn't seriously ERP'ing!

I was only doing it

IRONICALLY

I've never understood this. Is there some constant meta humor going on here when two nerds fuck in the dorms or whatever? I mean yeah, proboscis blowjobs, sure, but then again holy shit proboscis blowjobs.

Ya'll need jesus or something, shit.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:03 am #51557

Violaceus wrote:An0n3, you speak about it as permament rule.

Then why it was named a 'trial'?

Its nonsensical to treat a trial rule differently from a a non-trial rule. Players in this thread have several times made comments "Its just a trial so I'll do it and just get unbanned when the trial's over" etc etc. The onyl way these types of rules differ is that there is a stated possibilty of a repeal for one type of rule at a later date. This is not to say the rule WILL be repealed after the trial but rather that it may or could be repealed. When discussing its application and non-application it makes sense to just discuss it as "a rule" without qualifiers.

Alex Crimson · Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:43 pm

Rolan7 wrote:
Alex Crimson wrote:You arnt not confronting anything. You are pretending to listen when you have no intentions of actually listening or changing your mind.
That's ironic. You asked for "any example" of ERP damaging the server, and I pointed one out. I mean, you were obviously blowing smoke... Even new players have heard of the famous ERPers and the disruptions they caused.

You just can't actually justify keeping ERP around. Other servers get along without it just fine. We've already been told that flirting and affection will still be allowed. Just follow /tg/ tradition: Roleplay mature scenarios, maturely.

No, you cant justify removing it. The best evidence you can find is a bunch of metafriends who happen to ERP. Hardly server destroying, and its not like metafriends are exclusive to ERP. Any kind of RP will form metafriendships. Its not like people were actually getting off on ERP. Its just for fun. Hell, usually its the most well-done RP interactions of the server. Not a bunch of teenagers with raging hormones.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:29 pm #51652

It's not that we can't justify it, it's that you plug your ears and refuse to acknowledge any of the points we make.

Hell, usually its the most well-done RP interactions of the server

You couldn't be more wrong.

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:09 pm #51662

If you really think its for the good of the server, then rather than just implementing the rule, how about making a poll and asking the playerbase beforehand? Im sure you know how to make a poll and put it in announcements. If its for the good of the server, then im sure everyone will agree with you.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:23 pm #51664

Our server, our rules.

We don't want to host a juvenile sex romp anymore.

It's time to grow up.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:24 pm #51665

To be fair it almost sounds like you want ss13 to be any kind of mature which it never ever will be

not even bay is mature and serious all the time

Rolan7 · Post by **Rolan7** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:35 pm #51667

Alex Crimson wrote:If you really think its for the good of the server, then rather than just implementing the rule, how about making a poll and asking the playerbase beforehand? Im sure you know how to make a poll and put it in announcements. If its for the good of the server, then im sure everyone will agree with you.

If you can justify us being the only server which allows erping, you're welcome to do so. Or just keep trying to make this a players-vs-admins thing... Definitely a safer strategy.

Alex Crimson wrote: No, you cant justify removing it. The best evidence you can find is a bunch of metafriends who happen to ERP. Hardly server destroying, and its not like metafriends are exclusive to ERP. Any kind of RP will form metafriendships. Its not like people were actually getting off on ERP. Its just for fun. Hell, usually its the most well-done RP interactions of the server. Not a bunch of teenagers with raging hormones.

It was the evidence you specifically asked for... I thought you just didn't know but sure enough you actually didn't care.
Why do you keep saying nobody gets off on it? That's wrong AND irrelevant.
> Metafriendship can't be controlled and ERP is the best RP
Okay nevermind have fun trying to raise a mob or whatever

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:43 pm #51670

Players vs admins? I havent made it into anything. I have no say in policies or any power over the community. The 3 out of 4 headmins(i assume its 3/4 because you included SoS?) that voted for banning ERP without asking the playerbase are the ones who made it "players vs admins". Yeah im totally the bad guy for wanting the community to have a say in this.

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:35 pm #51684

An0n3 wrote:Our server, our rules.

We don't want to host a juvenile sex romp anymore.

It's time to grow up.

Yes, that will show him for having a different opinion! How dare the PLAYERS think they are supposed to have any say in SS13 policies, who do they even think they are being the cause the game is alive in the first place!

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:26 pm #51709

Phalanx300 wrote:who do they even think they are being the cause the game is alive in the first place!

You're the reason the game is alive? Is that why you were permabanned from assistant? You just contribute too much to the game?

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:34 pm #51711

You know he meant the playerbase, not him specifically. Are we really resorting to pulling notes and ban history here? Whats next, banning anyone who doesnt agree with your policy?

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:39 pm #51714

An0n3 wrote:Our server, our rules.

We don't want to host a juvenile sex romp anymore.

It's time to grow up.

Wow, good thing we weren't a juvenile sex romp then right?

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:42 pm #51717

Alex Crimson wrote:You know he meant the playerbase, not him specifically. Are we really resorting to pulling notes and ban history here? Whats next, banning anyone who doesnt agree with your policy?

You can disagree with it all you want but you still have to follow it.

AnonymousNow · Post by **AnonymousNow** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:45 pm #51720

People, please. There's no need to be mean about this.

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:47 pm #51721

I will follow it. Im not much of a rule breaker, and by all means check notes if you want. Doesnt change the fact its a bad rule and your methods are wrong.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:57 pm #51732

...in your opinion.

Sum Ting Wong · Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:07 pm

oh my god who the fuck cares this much about stupid ass retarded video games

you want a legitimate reason for removing ERP? look at the thread. everybody is getting irate, admins included, over virtual dicks

i hope you fags realize that the more serious you take this 2d butt-punching simulator the less fun it gets for everybody. and yes I am being a hypocritical shit about this but still

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:16 pm #51738

An0n3 wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:who do they even think they are being the cause the game is alive in the first place!

You're the reason the game is alive? Is that why you were permabanned from assistant? You just contribute too much to the game?

The community is, not few dicks trying to ruin the fun for others.

Also tell me more, don't recall that. And why the personal attacks suddenly? Got a bad ERP experience?

Alex Crimson · Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:22 pm

Well whatever. As i said, the admins have no intention of listening or changing their minds.

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:33 pm #51743

Anon, would it be possible to get a period (like a month) on the trial, then check for progress? Also, at least in my particular case, I erped thanks to boredoom mostly, believe it or not, one can run out of things to do in game. So could we get more rp oriented fun on badger? The few times skorvold drop by are fun and all, but wee are mostly ignored by the admin base.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:24 pm #51762

Phalanx300 wrote:
An0n3 wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:who do they even think they are being the cause the game is alive in the first place!

You're the reason the game is alive? Is that why you were permabanned from assistant? You just contribute too much to the game?

The community is, not few dicks trying to ruin the fun for others.

Also tell me more, don't recall that. And why the personal attacks suddenly? Got a bad ERP experience?

It's hypocritical of you to say you're a member of the group "keeping this game alive" when you've had to be reprimanded for you past behavior that severely. If anyone here is guilty of "trying to ruin the fun for others" I would sooner suspect someone with multiple bans for Grey Tiding.

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:27 pm #51763

An0n3 wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:
An0n3 wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:who do they even think they are being the cause the game is alive in the first place!

You're the reason the game is alive? Is that why you were permabanned from assistant? You just contribute too much to the game?

The community is, not few dicks trying to ruin the fun for others.

Also tell me more, don't recall that. And why the personal attacks suddenly? Got a bad ERP experience?
It's hypocritical of you to say you're a member of the group "keeping this game alive" when you've had to be reprimanded for you past behavior that severely. If anyone here is guilty of "trying to ruin the fun for others" I would sooner suspect someone with multiple bans for Grey Tiding.

And you are? Here you are trying to ban a feature, one which is bothering no one but a bunch of elitist pricks like yourself. Why ban something that isn't causing any negative things to the game? Why take that fun away from those who enjoy it? And for the record I don't do ERP.

legality · Post by **legality** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:21 am #51769

cool.

the policy should never have been changed from the 2010-2011 era policy of ERPers caught doing their thing being open season for admins to do whatsoever they wished to them (in game). It resulted in some of the most hilarious moments I've seen on SS13.

This is okay too, though.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:42 am #51776

I find it funny that this thread has devolved into overly-vocal admins and overly-vocal users bitching at each other, completely ignoring the valid questions.

But it won't help assess the case.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:46 am #51823

Phalanx300 wrote:And for the record I don't do ERP.

Everyone arguing against this policy ITT

If there are legitimate roleplayers who find ERP an important part of their roleplay experience and have both done it & plan to continue doing it, please raise your hand

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:49 am #51825

Important as in hilarious? Hell yeah.
Important as in serious? Hell no.

Learned lewd lizard's a laugh or a lynching.

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:33 am #51835

I believe that being murdered by a changeling who offered you sex to get you alone and uncomunicated is an important lesson in Ss13 as big as closing the canister before removing the plasma tank

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:59 am #51877

RIP "if you want ERP, go to TG"
Long live "if you want ERP, go to Bay"

Small chronicle of the "good" times:
http://pastebin.com/u/Kaizo

Mat13295 · Post by **Mat13295** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:09 am #51901

Wild Bill wrote:RIP "if you want ERP, go to TG"
Long live "if you want ERP, go to Vorestation"

Small chronicle of the "good" times:
http://pastebin.com/u/Kaizo

DrPillzRedux · Post by **DrPillzRedux** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:38 am #51908

So on the erp timeline it went

ADMINS CAN MESS WITH ERP > NO DONT TOUCH PEOPLE WHO ERP > BAN THEY ALL

Go with the old way where admins can mess with them or just go straight up goon and ban all sexual talk and oh wait I know why it's because an ex-goonmin is backing this policy. This just seems like such a huge way of burning your roots "just because".

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:29 am #51918

First they came for the puns in names
and I did not speak out
because I didn't have a pun in my name
Then they came for the mass murderers
and I did not speak out
because I was not an mass murderer
Then they came for the ERPers
and I did not speak out
because I was not an ERPer
Then they came for the players they didn't like
and I did not speak out
because I was not a player they didn't like
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

don't just take these new draconian policy changes sitting down, please. for the sake of the server and it's population

paprika wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:And for the record I don't do ERP.
Everyone arguing against this policy ITT

If there are legitimate roleplayers who find ERP an important part of their roleplay experience and have both done it & plan to continue doing it, please raise your hand

'you don't NEEED to ERP, it's not integral to the gaame! why don't we make it bannable for no reason even though it really doesn't affect anyone that doesn't want it to affect them!

have any of you heard the boiling frog?
please stop and think about what you're doing
this is the longest post i've made in years, because this server and the people inside it matter to me. but when you try and take what people hold near and dear to them away, even if i don't necessarily agree with what it is, you shouldn't just let the powers that be take it away from you because 'it's not right' or 'it's not what we want to brand /tg/station as', 'w-we just want you to learn to role play creatively without whipping your dick out, and you're a faggot if you should be permabanned from the community if you do it! you fucking degenerate!'

but i guess the bottom line is
go back to fucking goon hornygranny you faggot

he even locked his own admin feedback because he didn't like being called out for his shit actions

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:08 am #51924

Even though I don't ERP, hell, this policy is really just pathetic. It doesn't really bother anyone unless its important jobs doing it, and then it would just be the same as them fucking off to space or sitting in the bar the entire round. Or if they do it multiple rounds, which would be the same as not doing anything for multiple rounds.

Personally I found it hilarious, and don't mind people who want private time, as long as they do it in private. I repeat my earlier statement. This is just an elitist policy.

And Anon, no offence. But in the previous page, that one post, and the several after it. Well, it just makes you look like an elite prick who doesn't care about the playerbase at all and just says fuck you to them, even though it may not be true at all.

As a note, the ban on ERP reminds me of this, equally as pathetic: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a- ... 97174.html

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:31 am #51930

Wild Bill wrote:RIP "if you want ERP, go to TG"
Long live "if you want ERP, go to Bay"

Small chronicle of the "good" times:
http://pastebin.com/u/Kaizo

For the record, Bay bans ERP more rigorously than /tg/ ever will.