2k19 /pol/ - European Spring edition

FantasticFwoosh · Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 am

Bottom post of the previous page:

Providing the Queen provided ascent for the law being put to her today, the prime minister is deploying a Blackadder'esque "cunning plan" to supply a additional letter to the EU explaining why "rogue parliment's" propopsition to extend is a bad idea and to make them reconsider. Else the EU will flat out refuse a extension (with a little traction from Macron, but he's notably all bark no bite with fresh yellow vest riots on his hands) and we head for no-deal anyway.

I think there will be riots at this rate if the UK isn't too sleepy, especially outside of London. Gotta draft dodge that EU army at all costs before we join Vietnam 3.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:21 am #513437

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Providing the Queen provided ascent for the law being put to her today, the prime minister is deploying a Blackadder'esque "cunning plan" to supply a additional letter to the EU explaining why "rogue parliment's" propopsition to extend is a bad idea and to make them reconsider. Else the EU will flat out refuse a extension (with a little traction from Macron, but he's notably all bark no bite with fresh yellow vest riots on his hands) and we head for no-deal anyway.

I think there will be riots at this rate if the UK isn't too sleepy, especially outside of London. Gotta draft dodge that EU army at all costs before we join Vietnam 3.

Where do you get this from? Do people really still believe the whole "the EU only wants the worst (no-deal exit) for the UK to send a message!" after all the shit that has happened? I mean, I wish it was like this because Britain absolutely deserves it, but actually the EU would love to unilaterally give them an extension so they can sort out their mess and ultimately cancel the brexit thing, it just can't happen due to political shenanigans so the UK has to be the one asking. Rest assured that once they ask (and they WILL ask before the october deadline) the EU will give them all the time they need to organize whatever they want (new elections, new referendum etc.)

Lumbermancer · Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:27 pm

NO BERCOW NO

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:05 pm #513493

My opinion is that people voted leave, and so they should leave
Going back on that just proves to the common man that democracy is a total sham and that their vote literally means nothing

Post by **oranges** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:00 pm #513775

should have demanded it be binding then mate

Screemonster · Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:32 am

one of the big things about democracy is that whatever one vote can decide to do, a subsequent vote can decide to undo

hence all the mad panicking and charging around over whether to allow that point-of-no-return deadline to actually pass, obviously the brexiters want to get us out and not have an election or follow-on referendum before enough of the public change their minds and do what democracies do

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:18 am #513841

It's not democracy if your vote is ignored
Holding another vote, and then another, and another and so on until the people vote what the politicians want is the opposite of what should be done there. By all means have another vote. Have it after it's done and the UK has been out of the EU for a while

Then if people decide it was better before, they can vote to rejoin

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:44 am #513902

At this point I literally don't give a fuck anymore and I'm spoiling my votes on everything so it can't be counted while the system's in the state it is. MPs don't want to take responability, everyone's talking past each other and the American political concept of soundbites has infected the mass media to the point that they're all just glorified talking heads. Also First Past The Post is still a thing and I will beat this dead horse until it is glue because I refuse to accept FPTP voting as a legitemate form of democracy in this day and age.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:39 pm #513906

I Starmute hereby challenge Oranges to a duel to the death over which side of world is better. Should he refuse, prepare New Zealand for immediate disposal.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:36 am #514130

FPTP is not a reasonable way to vote
It practically guarrantees the votes will go in such a way that the majority of people will be displeased and encourages the politicians to attack the others rather than give reasons why they should be given a vote

IkeTG · Post by **IkeTG** » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:48 am #514138

brenter 2032

Screemonster · Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:50 am

XSI wrote:FPTP is not a reasonable way to vote
It practically guarrantees the votes will go in such a way that the majority of people will be displeased and encourages the politicians to attack the others rather than give reasons why they should be given a vote

"but this little girl needs a new hospital, not a different voting system"

seriously that's what was put on the leaflets during that referendum
the libdems wanted straight-up proportional representation (which is terrible for independents that aren't part of a party and tends to lead to hung parliaments, which would make them kingmaker as the no. 3 party so obviously they wanted it) but instead the referendum was for IRV, which is a straight-up better system for voters in just about every way, so of course the three major parties didn't want it and all campaigned against it

and then it came back to bite the tories in the backside when ukip got big enough to split the right-wing vote and farage was able to straight-up say "if you agree to change your policies then we won't compete with you in marginal seats"

if only we had a voting system where vote-splitting didn't matter and tactical voting wasn't necessary whoops

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:14 am #514152

Good luck ever changing it
No one who has FPTP will want it changed because it's how they stay in power

Lumbermancer · Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:26 pm

oof

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ns_CDL.pdf

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:42 pm #514226

Lumbermancer wrote:oof

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ns_CDL.pdf

Why was #15 censored? Was it really really bad?

Lumbermancer · Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:56 pm

15 dealt with collapse of the monarchy following break-up of the union

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:19 pm #514234

As it says, it's a worst case assumption
None of those things will happen unless government actively tries to fuck up things for petty reasons
We all know they would never do that, right?

Not that much of that sounds like it would be a problem, just the food and medicine stuff. So that's a priority. The rest is all very vague and a case of "We didn't take even the most basic preparations"

Lumbermancer · Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:34 pm

ruh roh

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... nclass.pdf

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:22 pm #516890

Cant be arsed to click
What does it say?

Lumbermancer · Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:55 pm

Post by **oranges** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:04 pm #517417

XSI wrote:As it says, it's a worst case assumption
None of those things will happen unless government actively tries to fuck up things for petty reasons
We all know they would never do that, right?

Not that much of that sounds like it would be a problem, just the food and medicine stuff. So that's a priority. The rest is all very vague and a case of "We didn't take even the most basic preparations"

desperate

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:29 pm #517422

Yeah, it really comes off that way. They've got nothing unless they make shit worse

I bring you Dutch news!
https://www.rtvutrecht.nl/nieuws/196376 ... el-op.html
Dutch police arrested a bird

Post by **oranges** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:01 pm #517512

XSI wrote:Yeah, it really comes off that way. They've got nothing unless they make shit worse

I bring you Dutch news!
https://www.rtvutrecht.nl/nieuws/196376 ... el-op.html
Dutch police arrested a bird

I was talking about you, but you already knew that

Super Aggro Crag · Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:14 am

Oranges is a bird

A flightless ratite

legality · Post by **legality** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:15 pm #518926

China has become a nazi state and I'm mad about it. They've got it all. Racial supremacy, concentration camps, secret police, dictator with a cult of personality, and an aggressively imperialistic outlook.

Why isn't the world pivoting away from China-dependency? This can't end well. I'm going to boycott Chinese products to the extent that I can.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:34 pm #518928

They've been that way for ages
It's only becoming more obvious now that they're trying to expand even more

The world isnt going to go away from China either, because China offers them money and money matters more than morality for most, and as a second bit those in control of the west prefer to fuck about the middle east trying to start some more wars rather than deal with anything in asia

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:34 am #519927

Mexican civil war, anyone?
Less of a classical civil war and more cartel vs government, but I suppose technically the cartel members are mexican citizens so it counts

Super Aggro Crag · Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:40 am

oh boy

MORE

MIGRANTS

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:05 am #520266

The Mexico thing already ended
They released the guy's son and the cartels only executed a few people instead of everyone

For completeness- It started because one of the cartel leaders' sons was arrested. Apparently this was his only surviving son. He called in a bunch of other cartels to help get him out and they basically marched into cities like an army taking over

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:02 am

NO WALL NECESSARY

MORE MIGRANTS NECESSARY

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:01 pm

legality wrote:China has become a nazi state and I'm mad about it. They've got it all. Racial supremacy, concentration camps, secret police, dictator with a cult of personality, and an aggressively imperialistic outlook.

They're communist by admission of their party name and stance, like how the Nazi's were democratic socialists before the night of long knives or Rome became a military dictatorship under Gaius Julius Caesar.

At the same time they couldn't be further from a 80 year old radicalised political movement or 1700 year old empire, so refer to them as who are they are, CPC pricks.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:57 pm #520609

the best thing is posters trying to rationalise the defence of chinese communism while also trying to avoid the parallels with an autocratic dictatorship

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:59 am #521073

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE HAD ENOUGH WITH THE VENENIGGERS I DON'T WANT CHILEANS OR ARGENTINIANS TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WUBLI STOP SENDING YOUR COUNTRYMEN TO MY BEAUTIFUL LAND I WILL STOP BEING RACIST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

FantasticFwoosh · Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:47 pm

Meanwhile in California amongst those who aren't moving out of state.

They're all immigrating to Texas and the east coast, haha have fun with the progressive/conservative neighbourhood riots.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:48 am #521624

Oh yeah, I heard about that
There's too little fire for the ecosystem to rely on it as it has adapted to doing, but too much fire for the people to be comfortable

FantasticFwoosh · Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:40 pm

Massive natural conservations require massive fires that give off Co2 in far greater quantity than a few square miles of homes, who'd have thought nature would be so dinky right?

IkeTG · Post by **IkeTG** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:53 pm #522229

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Meanwhile in California amongst those who aren't moving out of state.

They're all immigrating to Texas and the east coast, haha have fun with the progressive/conservative neighbourhood riots.

texans finally getting what's coming to them for not staying in texas

Post by **oranges** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:21 am #523564

how's that brexit going uk lmao

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:05 am #523575

>Implying they ever will

Post by **oranges** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:26 am #525361

is it done yet?

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:42 pm #526401

So Hong Kong had their election
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/25/ho ... s-victory/

Surprising absolutely nobody outside of China, they voted against China

Super Aggro Crag · Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:55 am

bongs explain your election

is the based guys winning or the cringe guys winning

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:09 am #528875

Tories had a crushing victory so the UK is leaving January 31st. Good riddance! Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:39 am #528905

If my memory of UK elections is correct, it doesn't matter who wins. Everyone who lives there loses anyway

Lumbermancer · Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:17 pm

A victory for Plaid Cymru, Pàrtaidh Nàiseanta na h-Alba and Sinn Féin probably.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:41 pm #529038

lol

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:44 pm #529178

The state of the world puts me in a state of existential dread.

cynic716 · Post by **cynic716** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:32 am #529464

Super Aggro Crag wrote:bongs explain your election

is the based guys winning or the cringe guys winning

The conservatives won, so now the british healthcare system is gonna be gutted and sold off to america OMEGALUL

bye bye free healthcare! bye bye!

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:05 am #529495

As far as my knowledge goes, that's what all parties wanted anyway
Just with slightly different reasons and methods

Flatulent · Post by **Flatulent** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:39 am #529506

cynic716 wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:bongs explain your election

is the based guys winning or the cringe guys winning
The conservatives won, so now the british healthcare system is gonna be gutted and sold off to america OMEGALUL

bye bye free healthcare! bye bye!

Are you retarded or just pretending? Boris promised to increase NHS funding and revive it in his campaign.

Not to mention Cons have been in power for 10 years now.

free healthcare sucks anyway and is only for poor people

Super Aggro Crag · Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:22 am

"free" health"care".